The American Civil War of 2005 as predicted by John Titor

I wouldn't even bother with that signature priest. Because you know there still will be excuses in 2006.

"He traveled back to our time and he must of changed the future slightly"

"He said there would be signs of a civil war in 2004-2005, the real Civil War starts in 2008."

"It's the many world theory"

Not even if the real person came back on (I really believe he's probably found this site by now and has kidney problems from laughing at you bunch by now) and admitted it was fake you still wouldn't believe it.

It's all the same regurgitated crappy excuses they make over and over. That's why I'm not even going to bother. Let them wear their tin foil hats and pray to their Titor God. I don't believe there's anything anyone can do to change their minds. Remember kids, you found this information on the INTERNET. There are smarter people out there than you, that can make up a lot of big words and confuse you. You should reconsider that you're putting your trust into this hoax, but you won't, I know. You'll show me some article about how some kid got tazered and that is supposed to proof that he's a time traveler. Nothing you've shown is proof, it's only proof to your warped minds. Stop giving away your mind to some punk who messed with your heads and is laughing at you. Seek help, I mean that for your own good.

[edit on 30-6-2005 by NoJustice]

Originally posted by syrinx high priest
hey roth, put your money where your posts are. buy a titor hat, coffee mug and t-shirt, take a pic of yourself, and make it your avatar
www.cafepress.com...

www.cafepress.com...

otherwise I just have to chalk you up as an argumentative pseudo supporter

[edit on 30-6-2005 by syrinx high priest]

Interesting website Syrinx High Priest.

Care to buy some stickers?

www.cafepress.com...
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It's month 7 Roth.

Total Civil Wars broken out - 0
Total Waco Type events each month - 0
Total civil unrest events going on right now - 0

Wake up and open your eyes....


"Me: "No, I have not tried any fast food. Thinking about where the food came from, how it was shipped and treated absolutely terrifies me. I have tried to tell people about CJD disease and it seems to be "catching on" in Europe."
Me: Do not eat or use products from any animal that is fed and eats parts of its own dead.
Me: The "Mad Cow" story here is yet to begin..."

www.idahopress.com...

Posted: 07/01/05 - 07:05:19 am MDT
Officials to Survey Texas Herd for Mad Cow
By BETSY BLANEY

Associated Press

LUBBOCK, Texas - Animals in the Texas herd that produced the first homegrown case of mad cow disease will be surveyed in coming weeks to identify cattle born around the same time and the infected bovine's recent offspring.

The checks come as agriculture officials work to ensure that other cattle in the herd are not carrying the brain-wasting disease.

The infected 12-year-old beef cow was born, raised and used for breeding at the same ranch and had never left the property, authorities said Thursday. They would not identify the ranch or the size of the herd.


"However, there are a great many "non lethal" weapon systems in development that turn out to be quite lethal."

www.saveourcivilliberties.org...

Another death from the 'non-lethal' taser. They claim 50,000 volts didn't have any effect on the man four times--interesting claim, considering no test has shown it NOT to have an effect immediately. The main effect, however, was fatal.

Waco man dies after police subdue him with Tasers
6/15/2005 12:06 PM
By: Associated Press

WACO, Texas -- A 62-year-old Waco man has died after police officers fired a Taser gun at him four times, then forcibly subdued him with handcuffs.

Police responding to a domestic-dispute call yesterday found Robert Earl Williams in his backyard just off Interstate 35 near downtown Waco.

Officers learned he was wanted after his bail had been revoked on a previous resisting-arrest charge.

Officers say that when they advanced, the six-foot, 350-pound man brandished a piece of rebar. They fired Taser darts at him four times without effect, so five officers forcibly subdued and handcuffed the man.

Police say Williams was sitting on the ground when he complained of difficulty breathing. They say he stopped breathing before an ambulance arrived, and efforts to revive him failed.

Five police officers are on routine paid leave pending an investigation.

[edit on 1-7-2005 by Roth Joint]

Originally posted by NoJustice
Stop giving away your mind to some punk who messed with your heads and is laughing at you.

We are both in agreement on that statement. Do you think people finally will understand the abovementioned around 2008?

No WACO-type event/method?


Tape shows 5 Taser shocks in 1 minute
author: LATEEF MUNGIN [Atlanta Journal-Constitution]

A videotape of the struggle between Frederick Williams and Gwinnett County [Georgie] Sheriff's deputies shows he was struck with a Taser stun gun five times within one minute. Within four minutes, the 31-year-old Lawrenceville man had lost consciousness.

Videotape shows Williams tasered repeatedly
His last words were: "Don't kill me, man. Don't kill me."

A videotape of the struggle between Frederick Williams and Gwinnett County Sheriff's deputies shows he was struck with a Taser stun gun five times within one minute. Within four minutes, the 31-year-old Lawrenceville man had lost consciousness.

The tape, filmed at the Gwinnett County jail, was part of an 11-month investigatory file that District Attorney Danny Porter's office released this week. The file became public after Porter announced he will not press criminal charges against deputies involved in the incident. Porter asked the grand jury to consider the case this week.

"The evidence and particularly the videotape raised questions that were most appropriately answered by the grand jury," Porter said. "The grand jury declined to go forward."

Melvin Johnson, an attorney representing Williams' wife and four children, has seen the videotape.

He said he disagrees with the district attorney's decision. He has asked the FBI to investigate.

"He was pleading for his life," Johnson said. "They claim they were trying to immobilize him but he was already in handcuffs. They were clearly trying to inflict pain on a person they thought had injured one of their fellow officers."

Williams was arrested May 25, 2004, during a domestic disturbance at his home.

According to police reports, Williams' family said he refused to take his epilepsy medication and was acting violent and irrational.

Williams got into an altercation with the first officer arriving on the scene, Gwinnett police Officer R.E. Kenyon. According to an incident report, Williams charged the officer and grabbed his baton as Kenyon tried to strike him. The two struggled over the baton and Kenyon lost his balance, falling to the ground, bloodying his nose.

Kenyon called for backup over his police radio. Several officers arrived and tackled and subdued Williams.

He was taken to the jail, where deputies were alerted that they had a "delta," Gwinnett law enforcement slang meaning a combative inmate.

About 11 deputies were standing at the back door of the jail as an officer dropped Williams off, including a deputy who was videotaping the episode.

Williams, his arms handcuffed behind his back, his feet bound, was rocking back and forth in the back of the police car as deputies approached. The deputies grabbed him out of the car and carried him into the jail. As they were carrying him, Williams pleaded with deputies not to kill him. It was his last audible comment.

They carried him through the jail entrance to an area where restraint chairs are located. They placed him in a chair that resembles an adult-sized car seat used to immobilize combative inmates.

Williams appeared to be attempting to free himself from the chair, surrounded by deputies.

One deputy wrapped his arm around Williams' head and chin. Others were holding his arms and legs as Deputy Michael Mustachio applied the Taser to his chest.

One deputy commands Williams to stop resisting.

"Do you want another one?" Mustachio said, referring to the stun gun.

Within one minute, Williams was shocked a total of five times.

His handcuffs were not removed until after he lost consciousness.

Once it was clear that Williams was unconscious, deputies began to administer aid. Someone called for an ambulance.

Williams never regained consciousness and was pronounced dead two days later.

Gwinnett police Detective Steve Shaw investigated the incident and concluded that deputies did not violate the Sheriff's Department policy or any laws.

Link to video:
wm.gannett.speedera.net...

source url: www.ajc.com...


[edit on 1-7-2005 by Roth Joint]

lets say 50 cops taser 80 people to death, in an unspeakably violent, sad event, and its all caught on CNN.

are you going to come to MY house and shoot ME ?



thats why the titor claims are so funny. If the gov't starts going crazy, and we are seeing waco type events every month starting this month, why would americans turn on each other and not the gov't ?

waco-type events could easily turn into a revolution or an uprising against the gov't, but it will never lead to a CIVIL WAR IN 2005

Originally posted by Roth Joint
No WACO-type event/method?

Nope. Not that's not.
Do a quick research on Waco buddy. You'll see tasering someone is not even close to a Waco type event.

Stop saying "methods" btw, you're trying to twist Titor's words to fit your agenda. He said Waco Type events. Period. Meaning events equal to or greater than Waco. Period. End of story.
This is his quote and the only time he talks about it.

The civil war in the United States will start in 2004. I would describe it as having a Waco type event every month that steadily gets worse.

Meaning, again, events equal to or greater than Waco every month (in 2004). That hasn't happen and will not happen. Period. There's no way of getting around that.

I know if your reply you're probably going to mention some crap about minorites vs. majorities like that has any relevance. It doesn't. There are more guns in civilian hands than there are police. There are more people than police officers. So who's the majority? Who's the minority?

Get real Roth.
Do you think 130 million Americans will get tasered to death?
No.
He said it would be a WAR.
Here's his quote:

It's 2004. I apologize for a missed key (very observant - we all need good critics). Perhaps our definition of war is different. I would define it as a conflict where organized groups engage in maneuver and armed conflict.

ORGANIZE groups engaged in and maneuver in ARMED CONFLICT.
He says that happens starting LAST year.

It hasn't happened. Period. Titor was wrong-
Actually, it's not even a matter of Titor being "wrong". Titor is and has always been a fictional character in a fictional story. Stop taking what he said as fact. It's not. Period.
It's a fictional story showing how complacent the author percieves America has become and what could happen if we allow the gov to get away with everything, it's not a prediction of what will happen. So yeah, take it to heart so we can make sure it doesn't happen, but please please stop thinking this fact and will happen because chances are extremely high that none of that stuff he mentions happens.

Originally posted by syrinx high priest
lets say 50 cops taser 80 people to death, in an unspeakably violent, sad event, and its all caught on CNN.

are you going to come to MY house and shoot ME ?

thats why the titor claims are so funny. If the gov't starts going crazy, and we are seeing waco type events every month starting this month, why would americans turn on each other and not the gov't ?

waco-type events could easily turn into a revolution or an uprising against the gov't, but it will never lead to a CIVIL WAR IN 2005

Mmmmh, lets see what kind of definitions there are for "civil war?"

- Recent civil wars in Central America have been uprisings of poor, rural people who are the majority against a small ruling class made up of the wealthy elite and the military.

- Some civil wars are also categorized as revolutions when major societal restructuring is a possible outcome of the conflict.

Titor didn't mean that American civilians would be killing eachother, though that might be a possibility around 2011 when "outright open fighting" becomes common by then.

When Titor mentioned “us” (the country) vs “them” (the cities) he didn’t mean the cities themselves but he meant his enemy who was IN the cities:

"Also, please be aware that from my viewpoint, Russia attacked my enemy who was in the U.S. cities. Yes, the U.S. did counter attack."

Q: Your enemy was in the cities. Was the President in 2005 also on the enemy side? was the President in 2009 on the enemy side? How did you feel personally about these Presidents?

”The President or “leader” in 2005 I believe tried desperately to be the next Lincoln and hold the country together but many of their policies drove a larger wedge into the Bill of Rights. The President in 2009 was interested only in keeping his/her power base.”

Titor’s enemy was the “American Federal Empire”

"The US cities are destroyed along with the AFE (American Federal Empire)...thus we (in the country) won.

John Titor and his fellow countrymen fought against the Military:

Q: You say you were in the militia fighting the US Army. I would think civilians would have no chance of successfully fighting the military.
“You must realize that why people are fighting is more important that what they are fighting with. The conflict was not about taking and holding ground it was about order and rights. They were betting that people wanted security instead of freedom and they were wrong.”

Q: Will soldiers be asked to kill their countrymen?
“I'm not positive but don't they sign a small piece of paper now asking them if they would have a problem with that?”

“Outright open fighting was common by then and I joined a shotgun infantry unit in 2011. I served with the "Fighting Diamondbacks" for about 4 years. (Hearing in my right ear isn't as good as I would like it).”

The Majorities vs Minorities are not meant in quantities but in the sense of power vs no power, guns vs no guns, UN troops vs no UN troops:

G° : not north and south again was it?
TimeTravel_0 : In 2036, they are our largets trading partner.
TimeTravel_0 : No...more like city angainst country.'
wyrmkin_37 : majorities against minorities.......
TimeTravel_0 : Yes.
TimeTravel_0 : You know...guns versus no guns.
TimeTravel_0 : Power versus no power.
wyrmkin_37 : time to pour another jack and coke
TimeTravel_0 : Un troops versus no UN troops."

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Stop saying "methods" btw, you're trying to twist Titor's words to fit your agenda. He said Waco Type events. Period. Meaning events equal to or greater than Waco. Period. End of story.

ORGANIZE groups engaged in and maneuver in ARMED CONFLICT.
He says that happens starting LAST year.

John Titor never said that the "armed conflict" would start in 2004. He only mentioned that the roots of the "civil war" could be seen in 2004. From his point of view this was the actual start of the growing civil war. The "groups engaged in maneuver and armed conflict" would develop later on as a result of the WACO-type events/methods. It doesn't make any sense if they would "engage in maneuver and armed conflict" without any particular reason to do so don't you agree?

John Titor did not mention WACO to tell us that there were people burning to death every month. He mentioned it because of the methods being used upon those people, the methods being used upon American citizens by their own authorities, whilst everyone watches and does nothing, whilst all law enforcement officers were cleared without any prosecution for "wrongful death."

Why else would Titor say: "However, there are a great many 'non lethal' weapon systems in development that turn out to be quite lethal. Sometimes I watch your television programs that show SWAT teams using new non-lethal weapons. They usually start out with, "In the future, the army and police will fight its enemies with new weapons systems" When they use the word "enemy", they're talking about YOU! You don't really think the Marines are going to jump out of helicopters overseas with sticky goop, pepper spray and seizure lights, do you?"

Titor stated clearly that it would be a matter of methods (see above quote) )used by law enforcement officers against "minorities." These "conflicts" would grow into a "civil war" but that it would not be recognized by the majority as such until around & after 2008. A matter of perception, denial or just opening your eyes?

If you read the full context of his chronicles you can clearly derive that he mentioned the methods of the authorities as used in WACO.

Starting in 2005 those "conflicts" could initially be recognized in the sense of a monthly event wherein "Waco type" methods are being used by the authorities and are steadily growing worse into a "civil war" where confronting organized groups opposing these methods "engage in maneuver and armed conflict" somewhere around 2008 and there after.

nice technique

"Perhaps our definition of war is different. I would define it as a conflict where organized groups engage in maneuver and armed conflict."

Score !
thatsjustweird 1
roth 0

play on

Originally posted by Roth Joint

Originally posted by NoJustice
Stop giving away your mind to some punk who messed with your heads and is laughing at you.

We are both in agreement on that statement. Do you think people finally will understand the abovementioned around 2008?

Good I'm glad you agree he's a hoax. We both know he said 2004/2005 would start the civil war. So you are obviously joking about 2008. So it's good to know that you have changed your mind. Because there's no way you could serious believe the things you are saying. Pretty good joke though.

I loved how you guys used "mad cow disease" as that non-lethal weapon he was talking about. Great times great times. You really had me going there that there were people stupid enough to believe some TIME TRAVELER ON THE INTERNET. Ahahaha! Bravo Bravo. Jokes are great, laughing is good. Because we both know anyone who really believed in this stuff would need years on therapy right? ahahaha. But I know it's none of you, you just have jokes.



[edit on 1-7-2005 by NoJustice]

Is it only "a matter of time" when groups will organize and engage in manoeuvre and armed conflict?


www.sun-sentinel.com...

Stun weapons face increasing opposition
Police use pistol-like stun guns to incapacitate suspects with pulses of electricity

By Andrew Ryan
Staff Writer
Posted June 19 2005

The lives of Kerry O'Brien and Timothy Bolander ended in much the same way: Each was in a delusional rage and each struggled with police. And each died after being shocked with a Taser.

But autopsies didn't blame either death on the pistol-like stun guns, which incapacitate suspects with pulses of electricity.......


Protest heats up on Taser use
Residents storm out of meeting

By Ihosvani Rodriguez
Miami Bureau
Posted June 16 2005

More than 300 demonstrators gathered outside Miami-Dade's government center on Wednesday afternoon to demand that the county's Police Department stop using Tasers until more medical research is conducted on the controversial stun guns.

The demonstration, led by area church leaders and members of civil rights organizations, was perhaps South Florida's largest protest against the controversial weapons.

It played out hours before the county's safety committee met to discuss a proposal that prohibits Miami-Dade police officers from zapping minors.

But what started as a demonstration featuring gospel singing and children playing in the yard at the government center ended with an angry walkout after the group's leader exchanged heated words with a county commissioner and the Police Department's director during the committee meeting.

"This is why we say that this county is insensitive to its people. They won't listen to us," the group's leader, Bishop Victor Curry of New Birth Baptist Church, shouted as he stormed out of the County Commission chambers.

During the afternoon protest and later at the meeting, Curry joined members of the American Civil Liberties Union, Amnesty International and the NAACP in rallying around family members of Stanley Wilson, 44, of Miami-Dade, who died last month after he was shocked with a stun gun. Demonstrators likened the Taser to "mobile electric chairs" and attributed more than 100 deaths to Tasers nationwide.

"It's like the wild, wild West days again," said Adora Obi Nweze, president of the Florida NAACP. "We're not against police using Tasers; we're only asking to take a closer look at them, and stop killing people."

At the center of the daylong ordeal is the Police Department's policy on Tasers. The policy has been revised three times since a Miami-Dade officer zapped a 6-year-old boy last year. Administrators have adopted a stricter policy on using a Taser weapon on minors but argue that banning it altogether could put officers and children in danger in life-threatening situations.

On Wednesday, the county's Community Outreach, Safety and Healthcare Administration Committee looked at a request from County Commissioner Barbary Carey-Shuler to ban using Tasers on children younger than 12.

The committee took no action on the proposal, which goes to the County Commission next month.

During the meeting, Miami-Dade police Director Robert Parker revealed that since 2003, officers have used a Taser on 31 people younger than 18. The department has used the Taser in 324 incidents.

Things got especially tense when Parker testified that an autopsy showed Wilson died of "acute coc aine psychosis" and not from being shocked. Wilson's sister walked out crying during Parker's testimony. Parker said the true problem is an epidemic of drug use, and he accused demonstrators of distorting the facts.

At one point, Parker looked toward Curry and others and questioned whether certain clergy members were fulfilling their "role in telling people how to be good citizens."

Most of the audience hissed after Parker's comment. Local community activist and church leader Richard Dunn demanded an apology to the clergy. That set off a series of simultaneous heated exchanges between audience and committee members.

County Commissioner and committee member Natacha Seijas tried to restore order and ordered Curry to sit down. Most in the room, about 100, walked out shouting in anger. Group leaders vowed to return next month when commissioners take up the issue.

So, no takers huh? Just hold to your beleif's, while ignoring anything that doesn't go with it.

Whether titor is real or not, doesn't change what IS happening in front of your very eyes, but because if you were to accept what you see, and realize you were warned of this, your own personal illusion of life and reality would be shattered.

The government can now take your land, imprision you indefinately without charge, and have already started laying the groundwork for domestic terrorism forces. You have eyes and do not see.

If Titor is a hoax, does that change any of the above, that could and possibly would, be used on America's citizens that don't agree with the new American leaders? Ofcourse not. But hey, occupy yourself with ineffectual discussion.

Ok,
I see.

There are two choices that I can think of right now to describe Roth.
Either:
1. He's highly delusional. To the point where it's becoming an unhealthy obsession.
2. He's just playing around with us. I'm starting more and more to think this is the correct choice.
Because there's no way.....there's no way someone can be that.......that......I don't even know the right word......ignorant? without being either playful or extremely delusional.

I kinda feel for him. He wants a civil war so bad. He wants 100s of millions of people to die so bad. And when it doesn't happen he's going to be severely dissapointed and who knows what he'll do then, you know, with him likely being unstable and all.
I think I'm going to put him on ignore now...I like real debates about Titor without being interrupted with crap. He has done nothing but mix and twist Titor's words to fit his anti-human agenda, despite being shown his and Titors errors many times over. He just wants to see death and destruction. Too bad we're too civilized.

Adios Roth. Hopefully when you're grown you'll be able to look back on all this and laugh, as the rest of us are (or at least I am) doing now.

Roth, thank you for keeping up the fight! So many people just don't see it yet.


1. Thank you for explaining that this "civil war" will not be fought like other wars in the past. I am not going to come to your house and kill you because of these events. However ... when there is a draft and the lines are clearly drawn, pro-war and anti-war ... you will see that some people will take the fight to the government ... not the people supporting the government. Then when there is food and water shortages, and its my family starving or your family starving. You better have a gun in your house, because how many people would do nothing while their wife and children starve to death?

2. Tasers, I can't believe that some of your don't see a problem with this. Tasers being used in this way are EQUAL to a mobile electricution chair. And in this country we have a trail and a pre-trial, witnesses and closing arguments before we give someone the death penatly. Not any more. These people were killed by "electricution" without charges, trial, or rights,... while pleading for their lives! .... You are ok with this???

3. I believe that the people arguing on the side against Titor, are people that love their lives, love their things, and love their families... and don't want the world to change. They are in denial. And even if something terrible happens, and an uprising does begin... these people will have a built in excuse. Titor, was simple self fullfilling prophecy... or something like that.

4. You people always say ... when titor is proven a fake you supporters will all have egg on your face.

Well ... when Titor is proven correct ... you people against Titor, would have killed hundreds of innocent people ... that could have prepared for the future better ... but didn't because they took your "opinion" as gospel.

I would rather have egg on my face, than that on my conscience...

but you would have failed to plan and prepare yourselves, so it wouldn't be on your conscience for long, as you will most likely be in an internment camp or worse... you'd be dead.

There just seems to be a big gap that we're not able to close in this thread, between the believers and non-believers. No one is saying that the taser incidents aren't horrible and that America isn't in trouble. (or at least, I'm not) I don't trust the Government and there's no telling what the future holds, be it a civil war, chips in our brains, a totally fascist nation. No one is saying they're not concerned that our property is being taken away. That our civil liberties are being taken away.

But the difference is, we're not crediting all these things to John Titor, like some of you are. You can't just take every bad thing that happens in the world and credit him for it. But if you go back and read this entire thread, that's all it is. Any bad thing be it mad cow disease or tasering you guys are saying John Titor predicted that. There is a big difference in bad things happening (which, what time in your life has bad things NOT happened?) and someone specifically predicting it to happen. If John Titor had come on and said we would lose our property rights in June of 2005, then yeah I would be on your side saying there has got to be something to him. But he said nothing specific, he predicted a civil war in 2004 that didn't happen. (sorry I'm not giving you credit for his one mistype in saying 2005) This guy is not a time traveler nor a psychic. He probably was a very smart individual that possibly knew about physics and read a lot, and had a good sense of humor. Chalking it up to anything else is rediculous.

[edit on 1-7-2005 by NoJustice]

Originally posted by NoJustice
I don't trust the Government and there's no telling what the future holds, be it a civil war, chips in our brains, a totally fascist nation. No one is saying they're not concerned that our property is being taken away. That our civil liberties are being taken away.

But the difference is, we're not crediting all these things to John Titor, like some of you are. [edit on 1-7-2005 by NoJustice]

So you do see that start of something terrible happening in America. It doesn't matter who gets the credit for it, and it doesn't matter that he claims to be a timetraveler.

If you would have told me that a bumb on the streets of New York, made these crazy predictions in 1999 or 2000 when everyone was happy and rich and safe, that another war was coming in Iraq, that it would be a false war, and no WMDs would be found...

I think I would want to know what else that bumb said...wouldn't you?

Originally posted by Where2Hide2006

Originally posted by NoJustice
I don't trust the Government and there's no telling what the future holds, be it a civil war, chips in our brains, a totally fascist nation. No one is saying they're not concerned that our property is being taken away. That our civil liberties are being taken away.

But the difference is, we're not crediting all these things to John Titor, like some of you are. [edit on 1-7-2005 by NoJustice]

So you do see that start of something terrible happening in America. It doesn't matter who gets the credit for it, and it doesn't matter that he claims to be a timetraveler.

If you would have told me that a bumb on the streets of New York, made these crazy predictions in 1999 or 2000 when everyone was happy and rich and safe, that another war was coming in Iraq, that it would be a false war, and no WMDs would be found...

I think I would want to know what else that bumb said...wouldn't you?

See, there you go again. Using a scenario of a bum that made all these predictions, as if John Titor made specific predicitions. He didn't. The world doesn't revolve around John Titor, guy. When are you going to see this? The world is a bad place, and that is not anything that started in 2004 or 2005. The Government has been corrupt for years and years as well, I'd say since towards the beginning of the 1900's when our money system was turned over in Congress to 13 European banker families, right into the middle 1900's with the CIA assassinating Kennedy, and more recently 9/11. Does John Titor deserve credit for this too?

Bad things happen, every day, he made very vague predictions that you're clinging on to. Stop it, it's not doing anyone any good like you think it is.

Yes we're in trouble in my opinion, but there are topics all over this Forum discussing that. This topic is about John Titor, and he is fake. So time to move on to another topic.

[edit on 1-7-2005 by NoJustice]

"Russia and China have always had a very strange relationship."

"The war is a result of faulty politics and desperation from Western
leadership during the US civil war."

www.usatoday.com...

Posted 7/1/2005 11:13 AM

China, Russia warn of world domination
By Vladimir Isachenkov, Associated Press Writer

MOSCOW — Russia and China warned other nations Friday against attempts to dominate global affairs and interfere in the domestic issues of sovereign nations in what appeared to be a veiled expression of their irritation with U.S. policy.

Presidents Vladimir Putin and Hu Jintao signed a joint declaration after two days of talks calling for a stronger United Nations role in global affairs and opposing attempts "to impose models of social and political development from outside."

The two leaders also urged other states to renounce "striving for monopoly and domination in international affairs and attempts to divide nations into leaders and those being led."

While the declaration did not identify any specific country, it echoed similar veiled hints by Moscow and Beijing about U.S. policy in global affairs.

www.menafn.com...

Russia, China join against US 'star wars'

Date: Friday, June 17, 2005 8:10:08 PM EST
By MARTIN SIEFF, UPI Senior News Analyst

WASHINGTON, June 17 (UPI) -- Russia and China have joined forces in a major U.N. forum to oppose U.S. plans to develop new space weapons. And the move could herald a far more wide-ranging strategic cooperation between the two nations.

Russia and China have joined forces to urge the U.N. Conference on Disarmament to launch a new round of international negotiations to prevent the increased militarization of space. On June 9, the two countries issued a joint working paper calling for the reactivation of the moribund Committee on Prevention of an Arms Race in Outer Space that was discontinued in 1994. The appeal was delivered to the Disarmament Conference in Geneva.