The American Civil War of 2005 as predicted by John Titor

Originally posted by syrinx high priest
"The 2 above mentioned taser incidents are the "Waco-type events "John Titor" was talking about. They are happening every month and these cases will increase in their intensity. "

wrong ! ( think gene wilder as willy wonka at the end of the movie )

waco was the gov using flame throwers and tanks to kill citizens.

Are you a US citizen roth joint ? will you be trying to kill me by the end of the year over taser incidents ?. Seriuosly. I'm asking you a direct question. Will you pick up a gun and blow my head off because of tasers ? Will you make my kids fatherless by cutting my throat and discarding my body like trash ? will you set a mine beneath my car and make me a bloody pool of lifeless meat ? over tasers ? this year ???????

why do the titor believers need this to be true so strongly they ignore obvious evidence he was just a preachy hoaxer ?

We have already discussed this Syrinx High Priest.

In the case of WACO it was propagated there was no intent to kill these innocent people either with tanks or flame throwers. But weren't they calling 911 for help?

There was only a little "cyanide based" teargas used and ofcourse the denied infamous military "incendiary devices." But no "gunshot" was fired, yet all these innocent people died. All law enforcement officers were cleared and there were no prosecutions. Mission accomplished and propaganda well received.

What would you do Syrinx High Priest if your 12 year old daughter would be tasered to death and the law enforcement officers responsible for her death would be cleared without prosecution? How would you feel?

"John Titor" mentioned it would be a "civil war" of "majorities against minorities."

Titor did not mention the "civil conflicts" being a matter of American citizens killing eachother. However he did mention the use of "non-lethal" weapons appearing to be quite lethal.

The "US Civil War" would be a war of "minorities" against Governmental Policies and safety measures eroding the US Constitution and restricting people's rights.

Starting in 2005 those conflicts could initially be recognized in the sense of a monthly event wherein "Waco-type" methods are being used by the authorities and are steadily growing worse into a "civil war" where confronting organized groups opposing these methods "engage in maneuver and armed conflict" somewhere around 2008 and there after.

When mentioning WACO, "John Titor" meant the methods being used upon the American citizens by their own authorities. And yes, he clearly meant American authorities against American citizens, but not American citizens amongst eachother.

This would gradually grow into a civil war, not meaning a civil war wherein American citizens would be enemies of eachother and killing eachother, not Reps vs Dems, not Red vs Blue, but again, a war of “majorities against minorities”.

Roth


Question: Does the civil war start in such a way that those willing will have time to remove themselves to safer locations.
JT: “Yes. You will be forced to ask yourself how many civil rights you will give up to feel safe.”

Question: Will you readily be able to identify the enemy?
JT: They will be the ones arresting and holding people without due process.

JT: “However, there are a great many "non lethal" weapon systems in development that turn out to be quite lethal. Sometimes I watch your television programs that show SWAT teams using new non-lethal weapons. They usually start out with, "In the future, the army and police will fight its enemies with new weapons systems…" When they use the word "enemy", they're talking about YOU! You don't really think the Marines are going to jump out of helicopters overseas with sticky goop, pepper spray and seizure lights, do you?”

JT: “If the federal forces learned anything from WACO it was to install more reliable suppressors on their automatic weapons and don't use flash grenades that leave shell casings after the fire.”

G° : not north and south again was it?
TimeTravel_0 : In 2036, they are our largets trading partner. TimeTravel_0 : No...more like city against country.'
wyrmkin_37 : majorities against minorities.......
TimeTravel_0 : Yes.
TimeTravel_0 : You know...guns versus no guns.
TimeTravel_0 : Power versus no power.

“You must realize that why people are fighting is more important that what they are fighting with. The conflict was not about taking and holding ground it was about order and rights. They were betting that people wanted security instead of freedom and they were wrong.”

[edit on 28-6-2005 by Roth Joint]

this thread is not about policy brutality. Kindly start a fresh thread if you would like. This thread is about americans killing each other this year because of waco-type events.....


please addres this question;

"will you kill me over tasers this year ?"

Originally posted by syrinx high priest
this thread is not about policy brutality. Kindly start a fresh thread if you would like. This thread is about americans killing each other this year because of waco-type events.....

please addres this question;

"will you kill me over tasers this year ?"

American citizens killing eachother is not what "John Titor" meant to make clear. See my post above. However, I would only kill you if it was your intent to kill me. I don't want to make God angry.

Roth

so what about the american civil war of 2005 as predicted by john titor ?



are the titor supporters already making excuses ?

Roth likes mixing up Titor's words to fit his agenda.

Bottom line:
Titor said that there would be Waco type events in 2004 (GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEAD ROTH - There's no way you can dispute that. He APOLOGIZED for making the mistake of saying 2005 - There's no way you can dispute that) that get worse, especially around election time. And those events eventually lead to a civil war. A civil war is Americans killing Americans. If it was just police and the military killing Americans, it wouldn't be much of a Civil War at all. It definately wouldn't last 10 years. He states several times that it would be Country vs. City (that's what he meant by minorites vs. majorities - otherwise, how are police and the military, who are a minority, a majority?)

American citizens killing eachother is not what "John Titor" meant to make clear.

Then why did he specify it as a Civil War?
And how does it last 10 year!?

You keep posting articles of criminals and people disobeying the law being tasered? Why? A criminal being tasered is nothing like what happened at Waco.


NoJustice

a. They have nothing better to do?
b. They've been brainwashed by someone?
c. They're easily convinced because they love conspiracies?
d. They have nothing better to do?
e. They're joking, they don't really believe in any of this, they just want to argue?
f. They have nothing better to do?
g. They need to believe in something?
h. all of the above, except b and e [x]

I'm thinking all of the above for alot of these people...

With Roth I'm hoping it's e but I'm afraid he's serious. So for him b, c, and g are heavy.

Alot of people are saying, even if Titor is a fraud, he's still pretty accurate. Well, to you. Anyone who payed attention in history and any current events class they were taking could have made those predictions. There's nothing new about what's going on btw. He could have made those predictions in the 50s, 60s, and 70s and they would have been even more accurate then.

BOTH THATS JUSTWIRED, and the other dude/dudette, need to understand the multiple world theory because what you major problem is with Titor stems from your lack of understanding of that concept. I have tried to explain that in another post, if it doesn't make sense, ask again and I will explain it again. In fact I will keep on explaining it until you both have an understanding of it if need be, but your refusal to accept something based on a set timeline is silly, and unfounded.

So if anyone is interested, class is in session.

ok, so titor also ripped off the cool sci fi show "sliders"


class dismissed

BUddy, it goes deeper than SLiders. Actually a fairly acceptable effect of the current model of reality. Goes to the Schrödinger's cat experiment?

Familiar with it?

Originally posted by NoJustice

Originally posted by syrinx high priest


You guys never answered my questions on how old you are and do you tell your parents and people outside the internet about all of this?

I am done trying to help people wake up to the world around them.
I don't bring this stuff up, and almost never talk about the news because the people that I hang out with don't pay attention to the news, or world events. I have only told 3 people about the Predictions Titor made, and they are my brother and 2 closest friends. In the case of emergency we all move out to the country together.


BTW, i caught a part of Hanity and Colms last night. And they kept hyping a Minuteman Convetion/Rally in New Jersey. Well as it turns out Protesters Outside were causing a stir, when suddenly the protested all marched inside the convention center and continued to protest. A Swat Team in Riot Gear was sent out to calm down the crowd. Thankfully no one was injured and no arrests.


- Does this sound like Civil Unrest?



Wait...it'll only get worse!

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Roth likes mixing up Titor's words to fit his agenda.

Bottom line:
Titor said that there would be Waco type events in 2004 (GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEAD ROTH - There's no way you can dispute that. He APOLOGIZED for making the mistake of saying 2005 - There's no way you can dispute that) that get worse, especially around election time. And those events eventually lead to a civil war. A civil war is Americans killing Americans. If it was just police and the military killing Americans, it wouldn't be much of a Civil War at all. It definately wouldn't last 10 years. He states several times that it would be Country vs. City (that's what he meant by minorites vs. majorities - otherwise, how are police and the military, who are a minority, a majority?)

American citizens killing eachother is not what "John Titor" meant to make clear.

Then why did he specify it as a Civil War?
And how does it last 10 year!?

You keep posting articles of criminals and people disobeying the law being tasered? Why? A criminal being tasered is nothing like what happened at Waco.


NoJustice

a. They have nothing better to do?
b. They've been brainwashed by someone?
c. They're easily convinced because they love conspiracies?
d. They have nothing better to do?
e. They're joking, they don't really believe in any of this, they just want to argue?
f. They have nothing better to do?
g. They need to believe in something?
h. all of the above, except b and e [x]

I'm thinking all of the above for alot of these people...

With Roth I'm hoping it's e but I'm afraid he's serious. So for him b, c, and g are heavy.

Alot of people are saying, even if Titor is a fraud, he's still pretty accurate. Well, to you. Anyone who payed attention in history and any current events class they were taking could have made those predictions. There's nothing new about what's going on btw. He could have made those predictions in the 50s, 60s, and 70s and they would have been even more accurate then.

Your wrong ThatsJustWeird.

Titor never stated that American civilians in the cities were his enemies. Even Titor himself ones lived in the city. However, the oppressing Government isolated the cities from the country to gain more control over the people. From thereon the division between the "cities" and the "country" was well defined.” When Titor was asked if it was a stalemate with the resistance/militia hiding out until the cities are wiped out allowing them to surface, he answered:

“The cities were not isolated because of them; they were isolated because of us.”

“When the civil "conflict" started and got worse, people generally decided to either stay in the cities and lose most of their civil rights under the guise of security or leave the cities for more isolated and rural areas. Our home was searched once and the neighbor across the street was arrested for some unknown reason. That convinced my father to leave the city.”

“From the age of 8 to 12, [2006-2010] we lived away from the cities and spent most of our time in a farm community with other families avoiding conflict with the federal police and National Guard. By that time, it was pretty clear that we were not going back to what we had and the division between the "cities" and the "country" was well defined. My father made a living by putting together 12-volt electrical systems and sailing "commodities" up and down the coast of Florida. I spent most of my time helping him.”

- When Titor mentioned “us” (the country) vs “them” (the cities) he didn’t mean the cities themselves but he meant his enemy who was IN the cities:

Also, please be aware that from my viewpoint, Russia attacked my enemy who was in the U.S. cities. Yes, the U.S. did counter attack.

Q: Your enemy was in the cities. Was the President in 2005 also on the enemy side? was the President in 2009 on the enemy side? How did you feel personally about these Presidents?
”The President or “leader” in 2005 I believe tried desperately to be the next Lincoln and hold the country together but many of their policies drove a larger wedge into the Bill of Rights. The President in 2009 was interested only in keeping his/her power base.”

- Titor’s enemy was the “American Federal Empire”

The US cities are destroyed along with the AFE (American Federal Empire)...thus we (in the country) won.

- John Titor and his fellow countrymen fought against the Military:

Q: You say you were in the militia fighting the US Army. I would think civilians would have no chance of successfully fighting the military.
“You must realize that why people are fighting is more important that what they are fighting with. The conflict was not about taking and holding ground it was about order and rights. They were betting that people wanted security instead of freedom and they were wrong.”

Q: Will soldiers be asked to kill their countrymen?
“I'm not positive but don't they sign a small piece of paper now asking them if they would have a problem with that?”

“Outright open fighting was common by then and I joined a shotgun infantry unit in 2011. I served with the "Fighting Diamondbacks" for about 4 years. (Hearing in my right ear isn't as good as I would like it).”

- The Majorities vs Minorities are not meant in quantities but in the sense of power vs no power, guns vs no guns, UN troops vs no UN troops:

G° : not north and south again was it?
TimeTravel_0 : In 2036, they are our largets trading partner.
TimeTravel_0 : No...more like city angainst country.'
wyrmkin_37 : majorities against minorities.......
TimeTravel_0 : Yes.
TimeTravel_0 : You know...guns versus no guns.
TimeTravel_0 : Power versus no power.
wyrmkin_37 : time to pour another jack and coke
TimeTravel_0 : Un troops versus no UN troops.

ok, so let me summarize.....if anything titor predicted comes true, he gets verified and is a time traveller.

If it doesn't come true, its because there was a change in our timeline or we are on a different timeline, but he's still a time traveller

sounds like a built in excuse to me. I wish I had thought of this hoax, its foolproof !

don't forget to buy the book, hat and coffee mug

Originally posted by syrinx high priest
ok, so let me summarize.....if anything titor predicted comes true, he gets verified and is a time traveller.

If it doesn't come true, its because there was a change in our timeline or we are on a different timeline, but he's still a time traveller

sounds like a built in excuse to me. I wish I had thought of this hoax, its foolproof !

don't forget to buy the book, hat and coffee mug

Exactly, I never said the guy wasn't a genious. It's a potential endless cash cow money machine. Get your "I met John Titor the Time Traveler" t-shirt. only $29.95. The Playstation video game is soon to follow.



[edit on 29-6-2005 by NoJustice]

You guys are hysterical if it wasn't so frustrating. Let me type this slowly, so you can read it slowly and hopefully this gets through to you guys.....

The multiple world theory is a direct consiqunce of the cat theory - both accepted as plausible intrepratations of "reality". Neither can these things be disproven, nor proven - but they are just as liekly as any other model. OK?

As for it being a built in excuse - those things are in every time story, because of the rule of paradox, that one unit can not be in two places at one time. However that concept is based on models that predate our current understanding of reality, and therefor have as much scientific validity as a flat earth, or an earth centred universe, or even as one single earth as opposed to a mulitple earths were each chioce is played out.

OK, so the science is there - did he rip off the science and build is story arround it? Possibly, heck IMO even more probably, however that doesn't change one single thing. If he is just some dude and looked at the world and saw it going to one place in the future, and thought about all the things that would be needed to go from where he was then, to some distant future he was going to tell a story about it. So he thinks up one crazy action, followed by another crazy action, followed by another crazy action. OK? At the end of these crazy actions there is a result. Just like every story.

Now if those things started to happen, or rather, the general direction that each event was intended to direct the story to, then IMO is a cause for concern. Does that mean a concern because there is a beleif he is some prophet, quite the contrary, there is concern because his story is lead into a direction I don't think anyone wants to see, so when that direction is seen, it is only normal for warning bells to go off.

Forgive me if I am wrong, but aren't one of you a Christian/Catholic? Let me ask you, if a man came and started to preform mircles, became very powerfull and then brought peace to the middle east. Who would you say it was?

What would you say to those that haven't read or don't beleive in the Bible? Wouldn't you be on this side of the debate then?

Just thought that was an interesting juxtaposition.

Just to reinforce what I was saying, in refernce to Bush's speech the other night, a poster in the War on Terror section stated it sucently, tell me if this sounds like the same direction of "titor's" story....

It is from rebelspirit, I tried to directly quote to it, but couldn't. Too new on this board. LOL.



[edit on 29-6-2005 by Passer By]

I find this quote by Titor interesting:

”The President or “leader” in 2005 I believe tried desperately to be the next Lincoln and hold the country together but many of their policies drove a larger wedge into the Bill of Rights. The President in 2009 was interested only in keeping his/her power base.”

Note the use of him/her with respect of President in 2009. Who is the front-runner currently for President in 2008....Hillary Clinton!

Also, Titor does mention that just by appearing on a timeline will effect it. The information he put forth in 2000/2001 may have had a dramatic impact on the timeline he landed on...ours. Perhaps civil was is immeninet, but delayed. Not trying to make excuses, but looking at it from a time traveler's standpoint.

And one can't help but think of the Patriot Act I & II that are slowly taking away our freedoms. How could have a fake forseen that in 2000 or early 2001.

If anything, Titor is yet another wake-up call to humanity to get it together. Might I remind everyone that the United States is the only government in the world that allows for its own termination by its people.

if he was a time traveller, why couldn't he just NAME the president ? He has clearly stated he isn't afraid of any paradoxes, (he met himself, and it was no big deal) and he intentionally posted to change the future, so he had nothing to fear by nameing the president.

He claimed a civil war breaks out, but for some reason holds back on nameing the president ? the only thing to fear is it is an easy way for his gravy train to dry up. no more purchases on amazon.com of his book if such an obvious fact is incorrect.


he is a preachy hoaxer.

I smell bullsh


02/13/01 10:51 (about the future) 388
(1)Who is the Major Super Power? ))
It depends on how you define power. If you mean military, the world has developed into an odd balance. There are plenty of nuclear weapons left but if anyone uses them they will be instantly erased from the planet by everyone else regardless of the politics. We are very tired of war.



c'mon people ! has that ever happend in human history ? even with a WWIII event, new power mongers emerge, and new struggles emerge, new wars !!!

I just bring this into the fray to make a point. Titor was an opinionated, preachy hoaxer, full of vague generalizations.


.02

Originally posted by Freenrgy2
Note the use of him/her with respect of President in 2009. Who is the front-runner currently for President in 2008....Hillary Clinton!

No she's not.
Pretty sure McCain is.
She's the frontrunner for her party's nomination (for right now).

Also, Titor does mention that just by appearing on a timeline will effect it. The information he put forth in 2000/2001 may have had a dramatic impact on the timeline he landed on...ours. Perhaps civil was is immeninet, but delayed. Not trying to make excuses, but looking at it from a time traveler's standpoint.

Too bad time travel isn't possible.

And one can't help but think of the Patriot Act I & II that are slowly taking away our freedoms. How could have a fake forseen that in 2000 or early 2001.

Well, PA II hasn't even been voted on yet. And what freedoms have you lost as a result of PA I?
Besides people have been screaming that the Gov is trying to take our freedoms for years. This is hardly anything new. He didn't forsee anything.

Originally posted by syrinx high priest
I smell bullsh

02/13/01 10:51 (about the future) 388
(1)Who is the Major Super Power? ))
It depends on how you define power. If you mean military, the world has developed into an odd balance. There are plenty of nuclear weapons left but if anyone uses them they will be instantly erased from the planet by everyone else regardless of the politics. We are very tired of war.

c'mon people ! has that ever happend in human history ? even with a WWIII event, new power mongers emerge, and new struggles emerge, new wars !!!

I just bring this into the fray to make a point. Titor was an opinionated, preachy hoaxer, full of vague generalizations.

.02

I don't recall "John Titor" ever said his post nuclear world would be a "spiritual utopia" for everybody. Furthermore it seems only logic to me that people regardless of their social status living in a post nuclear world generally would be very tired of war. Wouldn't you be?

Yes, apparently there are still "power mongers" in Titor's post nuclear world... so nothing new there...

JT: "Yes, we still have political and religious leaders who find it difficult to obey the law. I would submit to you that the law is only as good as the people's willingness to apply it evenly and swiftly."

hey roth, put your money where your posts are. buy a titor hat, coffee mug and t-shirt, take a pic of yourself, and make it your avatar
www.cafepress.com...

www.cafepress.com...

otherwise I just have to chalk you up as an argumentative pseudo supporter



[edit on 30-6-2005 by syrinx high priest]