Trump ordered aid frozen; more Democrats want impeachment

originally posted by: AndyFromMichigan
a reply to: Extorris

Trump's approval rating is currently at 53%, higher than Obama's was at this point.

Except it is not, unless you disregard all polls except the latest Rsmussen.

www.realclearpolitics.com...

The American public doesn't want impeachment;

The number of people in favor of impeachment is roughly equal to those that see Trump favorably, but yes, neither is a majority.

More to the point, who gives a SH*&? We don't take a poll on the constitution. Nixon was very popular when he was impeached. Nixon actually had the majority of the country viewing him favorably and had higher Approval rating of than Trump during 99% of his presidency.
Who cares? No one is above the law.

Obama did far worse than even the worst

Nope. He really didn't despite what Fox News told you.
He wasn't a gay, murdering, Muslim, Manchurian fist-bumping secret terrorist born in Kenya either.

Trump really did withhold Military aid From a foreign country while asking them to help him with his Presidential campaign.

It's full on abuse of power, breach of public trust, constitutional duty, something the Federalist papers warned about and it is as clear a reason to remove someone from office as we have seen.

a reply to: Oraculi

Insanity.

There was an appearance of a crime. And you call investigating it "election interference"?

a reply to: Extorris

" My experience is that people that talk that way have no understanding "


So i am of the Opinion that through your Vast stated " Experiences " ,Wisdom has never seemed to have Fallen into your Lap eh ? ........Hmm..........

a reply to: Oraculi

So claims another "left-wing" article with not even one ounce of evidence...
In fact Ukranian authorities have stated there was no pressure exerted on them, and it was them whom first contacted the Trump administration with information of corruption between the previous Ukranian administration and democrats, including Biden...

A top Ukrainian official on Saturday defended President Trump's July phone call with Ukranian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy, during which Trump reportedly urged authorities in Kiev to investigate dealings in the Eastern European county by the son of former Vice President Joe Biden.

“I know what the conversation was about and I think there was no pressure,” Foreign Minister Vadym Prystaiko told the Hromadske media outlet. "There was talk, conversations are different, leaders have the right to discuss any problems that exist. This conversation was long, friendly, and it touched on many questions, sometimes requiring serious answers."

Zelenskiy's office has not commented on the allegations. Trump and Zelenskiy are expected to meet in person at the United Nations General Assembly in New York next week.
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Ukraine foreign minister defends Trump's call with Zelenskiy: 'I think there was no pressure'

Care to actually present DOCUMENTATION that the Trump administration withheld $400 million to force Ukraine for information/an investigastion when it was the Ukraine administration whom asked the Trump administration, and i quote:

Ukrainian to US prosecutors: Why don't you want our evidence on Democrats?

So this article is shown to be yet another LIE from the left.

I am guessing this FAKE article will not be transferred over to the LOL, or HOAX forum despite the FACT that even the Ukranian authorities have stated the Trump administration, and POTUS Trump, did not try to force them?...

BTW, the article: Ukrainian to US prosecutors: Why don't you want our evidence on Democrats? was released on APRIL 2019, when the phone call between the POTUS and Ukraine's President occurred on JULY 2019...

So Ukranian officials were already asking the Trump administration why they didn't want evidence of crimes committed by democrats, including Biden, 2 months BEFORE the POTUS made the phone call and asked if they were going to investigate A REAL CRIME...

originally posted by: Sillyolme

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: butcherguy

When will he announce that they will release the whistle blower complaint to the Intelligence Community?

That will only be obtained by court order.

Can you say Tricky Dicky? LOL its the tapes all over again.

Already released to special Congress Members at the SCIF booth 😎

a reply to: Sillyolme

Didn't you forget that the Senate is not going to vote in favor of impeachment, thereby negating the "trial" you're hoping for?

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Is it true that Ukraine was contacting the wrong people at the DOJ? They were calling anti-Trump deep state DOJ people, trying to get Democrat dirt to them?

a reply to: Sillyolme

You're like Wile E Coyote
Keep thinking you finally have that Roadrunner
What will it be this time?
Fall off the cilff?
Blow yourself up?
Or the rocket roller skates into a mountain?

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Is it true that Ukraine was contacting the wrong people at the DOJ? They were calling anti-Trump deep state DOJ people, trying to get Democrat dirt to them?

The former U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, Marie L. Yovanovitch, whom was put in that position by the Obama administration seems to have been blocking as much as she could the visas to Kostiantyn Kulyk, deputy head of the Prosecutor General’s International Legal Cooperation Department, and other law enforcement officials in Ukraine whom wanted to give the evidence, of corruption and election tampering by the Obama administration and the previous Ukranian authorities, to the Trump administration.

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Kostiantyn Kulyk, deputy head of the Prosecutor General’s International Legal Cooperation Department, told me he and other senior law enforcement officials tried unsuccessfully since last year to get visas from the U.S. Embassy in Kiev to deliver their evidence to Washington.

“We were supposed to share this information during a working trip to the United States,” Kulyk told me in a wide-ranging interview. “However, the [U.S.] ambassador blocked us from obtaining a visa. She didn’t explicitly deny our visa, but also didn’t give it to us.”
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Link

So she seems to have been at least prolonging the visas of these Ukranian officials because the evidence they had involved several senior officials in the Obama administration.

Ironically around May of this year the Trump administration recalled her after she "became a political target" according to the Washington post. But being a very left-wing site, they would claim anything about their stooges.

Notice what WP claims at the end of the follow sentence...

By Josh Rogin
Columnist
May 7


The Trump administration has recalled the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine abruptly and ahead of her scheduled departure, after she became a target of political attacks by conservative media outlets and Donald Trump Jr. Democrats see her early departure under pressure as the unfair targeting of a career Foreign Service officer by Team Trump.
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U.S. ambassador to Ukraine is recalled after becoming a political target

I find it more probable that the Trump administration was informed of Yovanovitch's attemps to collude with other "Obama officials" whom still have positions of power in the U.S. government, including in not giving the Ukranian authorities their visas.

That would be the only reason why DEMOCRATS got so mad that the Trump administration got rid of an Obama stooge.

Here is how the Washington Times reported this.

By Lauren Meier - The Washington Times - Tuesday, May 7, 2019

The Trump administration on Tuesday abruptly recalled its ambassador to Ukraine, creating a key diplomatic vacancy abroad and sparking outrage from critics who say the move was a “political hit job” and “completely undeserved.”

Although the specific cause of Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch’s dismissal remains unclear, it came after sharp criticism of her work by conservative media outlets.
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www.washingtontimes.com...

Notice that the Trump administration got rid of her before they got a replacement, so it is more probable that they found out what she was doing and got rid of her as soon as they could.

a reply to: Oraculi

BTW, notice how neither the op, nor his/her article state when was it that POTUS Trump supposedly "froze $400 million to Ukraine..." I wonder why?...

None of them also state that in the transcript of the conversation between POTUS Trump and the President of Ukraine does POTUS Trump say "we are going to freeze this money until you give us the evidence..."

Why would the Trump administration "freeze money for Ukraine to give us the evidence of corruption by the Obama administration", when the Ukranian officials were FREELY trying to give us all that information since at least April 2019?...

Meanwhile we have REAL EVIDENCE of corruption by Biden, whom even admitted to stopping the over 1 billion U.S.D. until the former Ukranian administration fired the prosecutor whom was about to investigate Hunter Biden and the corruption at Burisma holdings...

lol that's big "if true" implication when Biden literally is admitting DIRECTLY to have done what they are accusing trump of, but they say somehow it's different. The worst you can do is say maybe he used it to apply indirect pressure, but nothing is explicit. Unlike the extremely clear situation of Biden, but that's ok he's fine.

The cognitive disonnance is astounding. I love how you all wait for ANY REAL Evidence before jumping to conclusions. This makes the dems and the media look like political fools and cements this point. The MSM is an extension of the Democratic Party and every word from them is intended to sway opinion with half truths spun wildly.

a reply to: Oraculi

The Washington post, owned by jeff Bozo. That clown uses his paper to say whatever he wants. All these sources have outed themselves. Independent journalists have more integrity than any of the major outlets. It's a lot easier to do cruel evil acts when your "just following orders"

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

And, this never happened, the thread should be closed.

More FAKE NEWS.

Fred..

originally posted by: Oraculi

originally posted by: theatreboy
But is was ok for Biden to hold 1b$ from the Ukraine if they didn't fire the prosecutor investigating his son?

If you think so. I can't find that anywhere in this article.

It’s all over the news... shouldn’t be hard to find.

2020 going to cause so much ass hurt.

Do tell.

How will you out REEEEEE yourselves this time?

a reply to: Arizonaguy

It's going to be the classic fall off a cliff trying to free the anvil from a failed trap, right before the anvil finally drops. ACME stock must be up by quite a bit right now. I actually wish I would have invested.

a reply to: Oraculi

To me it's ironic how LIES, such as the article in the op, can be easily debunked yet these left-wing articles which continuously lie simply because the left, and RINOs don't want a non-globalist as POTUS, are allowed to remain up and are never thrown into the LOL or HOAX forums.

The left,, and RINOs, want to claim the POTUS withheld $400 million a few days before the July 2019 conversation between POTUS Trump and the Ukranian President, yet we have articles as for example the one from April 2019 in which the Ukranians say they have wanted to give this evidence of corruption of Obama/Biden/Hillary and the DNC FREELY, which debunks the FAKE claim that the POTUS had to do what Biden did. The worse part is there is no evidence whatsoever for these false claims yet these LIES are still viewed as legit news?...

For a U.S. House that is placing such a high priority on "Impeach Trump!", they sure take a lot of vacations.

Finishing up 2 weeks in session, after a 6 week Summer Break. Tomorrow (9.27.2019), they begin a 17 day vacation.

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