Congress probing Air Force C-17 stayed overnight at Trump property in Scotland

a reply to: network dude

You've always had high stock with me, and it just got higher.

We need to be able to question these sorts of things, and laken typically supports POTUS, so who better to ask?

If it comes out and it was nothing, great, I'm happy. But if any sitting president is possibly enriching personal assets, it needs to be investigated.

I'll wait to see what the investigation yields before jumping to conclusions. Many members have made the case for there being an explanation, that's a lot better than ripping on OP for bringing something to our attention.

Here in North Texas we have the Joint Naval Air Station (formerly Carswell).
The Perot family owns Alliance Airport about 10 miles north of the base.
Military planes are always in and out of Alliance, and they refuel. I’ve said for years it was shuffling money from the giver to the Perot’s pockets.
This is exactly how career politicians become millionaires. And it’s not just airports, but certain foundations as well.
And I voted for Trump as well. So....

originally posted by: lakenheath24
This has to make ya go hmmm. Seems a C-17 crew stayed at the Trump resort in Turnburry after stopping to get fuel. Most of those planes stop in Germany or the Uk to fuel. Allegedly there is $11m in fuels bills to that area. Seems the golf course went from losing $3 mil last year to making dough this year. Thats not fishy or nothin.


taskandpurpose.com...

www.politico.com...

www.military.com...

Sounds like the military pays pretty well...

Could it be the crew who might accompany the secret service who guard the President...That would make sense to me...

originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: projectvxn

Common man. You know very well that if Obama owned a string of Luxury Resorts and if even $1 dollar of "the peoples" money was spent in one. The very budget conscious Republicans would be all over this with a fine tooth comb calling for something against Obama.

NOT if Obama had first publicly declared that ANY money spent at his places would be returned to the treasury like Trump did.

But as everyone knows, Obama would absolutely have never made any promise like that, nor would he have kept it if he had.

Rendering your post invalid.

a reply to: DJMSN

You probably worked S3 to type up those orders, huh?

S3 had me breaking down FRAGOs and pushing them out to Company Commanders and relevant staff.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
I'll wait to see what the investigation yields before jumping to conclusions. Many members have made the case for there being an explanation, that's a lot better than ripping on OP for bringing something to our attention.

They already have looked at it.

While we are still reviewing the trip records, we have found nothing that falls outside the guidelines associated with selecting stopover airports on travel routes and hotel accommodations for crew rest.”

The Air Force confirmed that seven crew members stayed at Turnberry en route to Kuwait, but said “it did not appear” that they stayed at the hotel on the way back. There are more than two dozen hotels in and around Prestwick, but the Air Force said Trump Turnberry was the cheapest option available at the time and below the per diem allowance.

www.military.com...

Didn't the Clintons charge the secret service for staying at one of their places while they were there? Is that the same? I'm really curious if it the same or not

a reply to: JHumm

This is a nothingburger where this is a stop that does get used and Trump's property just happened to be the cheapest in the area.

They make it seem ominous saying this particular c-17 had never been there making it seem like it is crazy for a c-17 to ever go there. It's a lie.

"The stopover of a U.S. Air Force C-17 in Glasgow, Scotland, is not unusual," Brig Gen. Ed Thomas said in an email.

"The Trump property -- at $136 a night -- was less expensive than the Marriott property -- $161 a night -- and both were under the per diem rate of $166," Thomas said.

POLITICO could not independently verify the room rates cited by the Air Force.

I looked up next March, I see as low as $112 a night.
Expedia $112

How can I look and see prices and POLITICO can't?

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
I'll wait to see what the investigation yields before jumping to conclusions. Many members have made the case for there being an explanation, that's a lot better than ripping on OP for bringing something to our attention.

They already have looked at it.

While we are still reviewing the trip records, we have found nothing that falls outside the guidelines associated with selecting stopover airports on travel routes and hotel accommodations for crew rest.”

The Air Force confirmed that seven crew members stayed at Turnberry en route to Kuwait, but said “it did not appear” that they stayed at the hotel on the way back. There are more than two dozen hotels in and around Prestwick, but the Air Force said Trump Turnberry was the cheapest option available at the time and below the per diem allowance.

www.military.com...

There was a time, this would have been the second post in a thread like this and that would have ended the speculation.

a reply to: [post=24609653]Arnie123[/post

Yes...lol...S3 and I worked FRAGOS for a short while. They through me back into DTS because my successors didnt wanna work weekends. Funny that, the Brigade SGM threatened to court martial me one Sunday when he found me working. It was the best time to accomplishing anything as no phone ringing, no useless details, and no whimpering Specialist who spent his entire school advance on a new Alien game lap top before school started. The very next weekend my phone rang and SGM asked me to meet him in the office. He had been TDY that week, and wanted me to do his voucher, so much for not working weekends...lok

a reply to: network dude

My question is why did politico run a hit piece when the military says this is not an uncommon stopover and Trump's hotel was the cheapest in the area.

Oh the irony. Trump’s really raking it in being president. So far that I’m aware of he’s donated his paychecks as prez to the National Parks Service, Veterans Affairs, Education Dept. and the Health and Human Resources Dept to help battle the opioid problem. What a complete self-centered ass he is, how dare him.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
I'll wait to see what the investigation yields before jumping to conclusions. Many members have made the case for there being an explanation, that's a lot better than ripping on OP for bringing something to our attention.

They already have looked at it.

While we are still reviewing the trip records, we have found nothing that falls outside the guidelines associated with selecting stopover airports on travel routes and hotel accommodations for crew rest.”

The Air Force confirmed that seven crew members stayed at Turnberry en route to Kuwait, but said “it did not appear” that they stayed at the hotel on the way back. There are more than two dozen hotels in and around Prestwick, but the Air Force said Trump Turnberry was the cheapest option available at the time and below the per diem allowance.

www.military.com...

There was a time, this would have been the second post in a thread like this and that would have ended the speculation.

Yup.


But now when people want to genuinely learn more, and reach out to different expertise of members... Rather than being met with answers, you have to go to page two or three. We have to scroll past people using knee jerk buzz phrases to get to the meat of the subject.

I haven't lost hope, and luckily I'm an "it is what it is" type people. Occasionally I get rattled or passionate, but usually I'm a sarcastic cynic.

a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

I would like to see an accounting of that.

How much has been spent and how much as been returned?

I'm pretty sure that Obama wouldn't have had to have made such a promise. He would have separated himself from his business like most other presidents have.

a reply to: lakenheath24

The problem is that I have read plenty of articles on this matter, including this one. I'm not making any specific accusations against you. I'm saying that regularly dealing with anti-Trump stories there has to be a level of priority.

What's this?

Military activities at Prestwick were boosted by a contract in October 2016 with the US Defense Logistics Agency.

TS Prestwick Holdco said: "The group is specifically targeting new military business as a key component of its future development activities.

"The ongoing trend for closures of military airfields across Europe is pushing more and more of this business into those commercial airports approved to handle military aircraft."

www.bbc.com...

There's a trend for closures of military airfields across Europe? You mean like this airfield where everyone claims that these aircrafts could have gotten cheaper fuel?

The USAF and Ministry of Defence (MoD) has announced two squadrons at RAF Mildenhall will be relocated to RAF Fairford in Gloucestershire.

The closure of the Suffolk base was announced in 2015 but the plan has been delayed.

www.bbc.com...

More information on the history of U.S. military use of Glasgow Prestwick Airport...

There was controversy over the airport's use in the CIA's extraordinary rendition flights, as aircraft had used the airport as a stop-over point. Since November 2013, when the Scottish government took control of the facility, service contracts have been established with the USAF, USN, USMC, Defense Logistics Agency and National Guard.


Glasgow Prestwick Airport is the only place in the United Kingdom where Elvis Presley (who had distant Scottish ancestry) was known to have set foot, when the United States Air Force transport plane carrying him home to the United States stopped to refuel in 1960, en route from Germany.

www.wikiwand.com...

I'm sorry; I am not willing to play political games like this.

If Congress thinks there is an issue, Congress should investigate. Once that investigation is complete (and I do NOT expect it to take two years; two weeks would be more appropriate) I want to know what was found. If Trump did something wrong, censure him appropriately. If not, apologize and move on.

Anything less then puts the blame on Congress.

Enough of this partisan crap.

TheRedneck

Lol...no kiddjng eh.
I wrote this as a retired AF dude so i dont like ANYONE abusing our airplanes...especially since MC rates are terrible and peeps.morale isnt the best due to solid deployments since 1991.


Two things i have garnered from this thread.....95% of peeps dont read past the head line...and TDS cuts both ways.

Peeps on here got Trump Detachment Syndrome. Meaning one bad word about the tman and you are a commie luvin lib! Lol


a reply to: network dude

a reply to: lakenheath24

People are tired of fake news lambasting Trump, like the POLITICO article on this topic. The military says C-17 go there all the time, POLITICO hitjob didn't care and focused on the fact this one C-17 had not been there before, well they had never been anyone before their first time doing it, so I guess they can't use any airport or it's suspicious!

Then the military gives POLITICO rates of the various hotels and tells them Trump's was the cheapest which is why it was chosen. In 5 minutes I had looked up prices that time of year, POLITICO just says we couldn't verify it in a blurb and moves on.

The actual facts in the article are mundane and not anything to write a story about at all. POLITICO doesn't care, and they insert their politics leading their readers to think something nefarious and very odd has occurred when the actual facts they were presented with show neither. It's disgusting.

I welcome critical threads on any topic about anyone. With Trump you have to be careful though. Not because (for me) he is too amazing to be criticized, but because the media puts out so much fake news about him that most sources are complete garbage. Anything about Trump has to really be critically analyzed and researched to see whether they are outright lying or just twisting things to make it anti-Trump.