The Irish Slave Trade – The Forgotten “White” Slaves The Slaves That Time Forgot

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: JustJohnny
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

How very conservative of you lol...


Please quote where I said that every race hasn’t been and kept slaves????


It just seems to me the slavery that was the backbone of half the American economy less than 2 life times ago is more relevant..

How very Progressive of you to think that 1863 was 2 life times ago...

Do you just re-write history as you go?

Or are you just that brainwashed?

I think he's just leaving a data trail to get government benefits, based on the premise he's legally retarded.

Don't know why he's going through all the effort, I'm sure just about everyone that knows him would be more than happy to testify in his defense.

originally posted by: MisterSpock
a reply to: JustJohnny

Lol....snopes.....

You're dumber than I thought. You got that going for you....

He set so low a bar in the first place though...

Maybe he should compete in the Limbo?

originally posted by: MisterSpock

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: JustJohnny
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

How very conservative of you lol...


Please quote where I said that every race hasn’t been and kept slaves????


It just seems to me the slavery that was the backbone of half the American economy less than 2 life times ago is more relevant..

How very Progressive of you to think that 1863 was 2 life times ago...

Do you just re-write history as you go?

Or are you just that brainwashed?

I think he's just leaving a data trail to get government benefits, based on the premise he's legally retarded.

Don't know why he's going through all the effort, I'm sure just about everyone that knows him would be more than happy to testify in his defense.

That may be the easiest explanation.

I'd testify in court right now that he's retarded, based entirely on his posts.

You may be on to something here!

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Ok, but the basis of your argument that would be fueled by anger over Irish slavery is that some Democrats are socialists and want African Americans or "blacks" to get a reparation payment. I read the link in the quote and thought it was interesting, then I started reading your post and saw that it wasn't to bring awareness to it, but to use it to sling political and racial mud. Which may or may not, depending on the person, need to be thrown to begin with. I suppose it's up to how "racial" you are. Not racist or reverse reactionary racist, but racial. How.. um.. into the history of races and their current place in U.S. politics. A noble endevour I'm sure, I just don't devote my short amount of time and attention to it in comparison to countless other things BUT.. it's a free country, and that's what makes us great.

Estimated number of African slaves in the New World

12.5 million
Between 1525 and 1866, in the entire history of the slave trade to the New World, according to the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade Database, 12.5 million Africans were shipped to the New World. 10.7 million survived the dreaded Middle Passage, disembarking in North America, the Caribbean and South America.
www.pbs.org...

Estimated number of Irish slaves in the New World

The Irish slave trade began when 30,000 Irish prisoners were sold as slaves to the New World. The King James I Proclamation of 1625 required Irish political prisoners be sent overseas and sold to English settlers in the West Indies.

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From 1641 to 1652, over 500,000 Irish were killed by the English and another 300,000 were sold as slaves.

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During the 1650s, over 100,000 Irish children between the ages of 10 and 14 were taken from their parents and sold as slaves in the West Indies, Virginia and New England. In this decade, 52,000 Irish (mostly women and children) were sold to Barbados and Virginia. Another 30,000 Irish men and women were also transported and sold to the highest bidder. In 1656, Cromwell ordered that 2000 Irish children be taken to Jamaica and sold as slaves to English settlers.

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African slaves were very expensive during the late 1600s (50 Sterling). Irish slaves came cheap (no more than 5 Sterling). If a planter whipped or branded or beat an Irish slave to death, it was never a crime. A death was a monetary setback, but far cheaper than killing a more expensive African. The English masters quickly began breeding the Irish women for both their own personal pleasure and for greater profit.
www.globalresearch.ca...

484,000? Regardless of the number, If you could have 10 white slaves with some semblance of western civilization (I know they were brutes but apparently their women were fair) for the price of 1 black slave that talks click language from the tribal grasslands, which would you pick? I'm surprised the lot of the Irish weren't entirely enslaved at those prices.

a reply to: FlyingSquirrel

I'm surprised the lot of the Irish weren't entirely enslaved at those prices.

Fun trivia fact...

Irish slaves could escape a lot easier.

They were white and could blend in.

A black person didn't stand a chance because skin color.

Because if they were black they had to be somebodies slave, but white? Usually a freeman...

Read that in an old diary of an ancestor, actually...

It made sense.

~shrug~

originally posted by: JustJohnny
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Please quote where I said that every race hasn’t been and kept slaves????

You just argued in this same thread that the Irish were not treated as slaves...

originally posted by: JustJohnny
It just seems to me the slavery that was the backbone of half the American economy less than 2 life times ago is more relevant..

False, meanwhile ALL forms of slavery is evil the black slave trade was NOT the backbone of the economy of the American colonies...

Even at the height of slavery in the U.S. there were in total around 388,000 slaves out of the 12 million slaves from Africa that were sent to mostly British colonies. Even then the slaves were not the backbone of the economy of the U.S.

I am against all forms of slavery, but this claim you are making is simply FALSE.

People like you want to sell lies claiming how evil the U.S. is for slavery, but people like you ignore the slaves that still exist today throughout the world.

BTW, did you even know that there are countries like India where there are today about 18 million slaves? Many of the well to do high caste of Indians to this day go around Indian cities with their slaves in tow despite claims from the "secular progressive socialist government" that claims they have eradicated slave labor, when this is FALSE.





You obviously are not even familiar with what happens and has happened to blacks in India.

GlobalPost

February 25, 2016 · 8:30 AM EST
By Nimisha Jaiswal
...
On the night of Jan. 31, a Tanzanian woman was reportedly beaten, stripped and paraded naked by a mob in the southern city of Bengaluru after a road accident. The woman was not involved, but the crowd assumed that she knew the driver responsible because he too was black, from Sudan.

While police in India do not keep a separate record of racially motivated crimes, incidents like this one come into the limelight every year. Last March, two separate mob attacks were recorded against African students in Bengaluru. In 2014, a huge crowd chased three African men through a subway station in New Delhi. The murder of a Nigerian living in Goa led to protests and a diplomatic standoff between the two countries in 2013.
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Being Black in India can be deadly

a reply to: FlyingSquirrel

Wow, really? so I bring to the table the fact that there were other slaves and you want to claim I am doing it because of some "racial mud slinging" or some stupid claim you want to make up yourself?... Why is that because you are a democrat/socialist and don't want to see any historical facts be brought up to you?...

I am in fact Hispanic and would be willing to bet you are yet another WHITE LIBERAL whom has to try to derail threads by claiming people whom disagree with you and bring up facts about slavery "must be a racist..."

You should be apologizing for insulting me...

The Irish situation was also quite notable in the early days of colonial Australia.

They were treated in much the same manner as the indigenous people and afforded no rights. In fact if you look properly all of the convicts sent here by her majesty were essentially slaves to build this new outpost. To qualify as a convict you either needed to be Irish, some other Celtic or a poor Englishman.

It was common for "Help Wanted" advertisements to advise that "blacks and Irish need not apply".

originally posted by: MisterSpock

originally posted by: JustJohnny
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

How very conservative of you lol...


Please quote where I said that every race hasn’t been and kept slaves????


It just seems to me the slavery that was the backbone of half the American economy less than 2 life times ago is more relevant..

If you were a bit more progressive, and less of a nationalist, you'd probably care more about the current day slave trade and less about what happened 100 years ago.

I assume by this comment that you care about modern day slaves and are doing something about it.

Just curious as to what you are doing to help curb modern day slavery ?

a reply to: IAMALLYETALLIAM

What's ironic is that some in here want to claim that "whites were not raped or murdered" when this is false. The English put in effect a law called "Prima Nocta" which is the bastardized form of "Primae Noctis" by which rich English landlords could rape any woman of Irish/Celtic, and Scottish descent on the same night the women married and before they were "allowed" to be with their husbands. The English made lawful the raping of women for being "Irish/Celtic/Scottish descent. England was not the only country in which rape was made legal.

BTW, before someone asks where the figure i mentioned about 18 million Indians being slaves in modern times.

India Has the Most People Living in Modern Slavery More than 18 million people, or 1.4% of India's population, live in slavery

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: IAMALLYETALLIAM

What's ironic is that some in here want to claim that "whites were not raped or murdered" when this is false. The English put in effect a law called "Prima Nocta" which is the bastardized form of "Primae Noctis" by which rich English landlords could rape any woman of Irish/Celtic, and Scottish descent on the same night the women married and before they were "allowed" to be with their husbands. The English made lawful the raping of women for being "Irish/Celtic/Scottish descent. England was not the only country in which rape was made legal.

Perhaps I can simplify this while thing for you as you seem confused.

Slavery is about money, the haves and have nots. The have nots are slaves to the haves and always have been.

The colour of a person's skin is irrelevant to becoming a slave. Although its worth pointing out the British Empire conquered most of the known world and enslaved the native populations, well at least the ones that weren't genecided.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Do you know why the Irish slaves have been forgotten?

It's be sure their descendants don't constantly need to remind us about it, and don't let it hold them back.

This good thing.

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed


Perhaps I can simplify this while thing for you as you seem confused.

Slavery is about money, the haves and have nots. The have nots are slaves to the haves and always have been.

The colour of a person's skin is irrelevant to becoming a slave. Although its worth pointing out the British Empire conquered most of the known world and enslaved the native populations, well at least the ones that weren't genecided.

So once again you try to make it about "capitalism." If it was the fault of capitalism, or "the haves and have nots" why is it then that the countries with the most slaves TODATE happen to be "socialist/communist" and claim to be "progressives" such as in India, China, North Korea, etc?...

The difference between Irish and African slavery was a cultural one. The Irish kept their religion. families. Cultural beliefs. Language. Traditions. The African slave trade forcefully separated individuals coming in so there was no society known to the African Americans once freed. They had to make a new one. Jazz. Reggae. Blues. Baptist’s. A new Christian religion. A new language. Compare modern Irish culture with American Irish. Not too far gone. Now compare current African culture with African American culture. How do you think that happened??

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Not about capitalism.


Those with the money use that money to enslave people without money, I really can't put it any simpler than that, if you still don't understand I can't help you

Liberals are acting like Trump is going to kill all the gays, make slavery legal again, and take away women's rights....
Like he's a Muslim or something.

The Eastern and Trans-Saharan slave trade.. AKA MUslim slave trade.. made the Uk/US slave trade look like a 4 day cruise. English slaves being sold and etc by Muslims was much larger than the Africans being slaved by the English or in the trans Atlantic. White women were enslaved by Muslims. Christians of any color were enslaved by Muslims. Theres all sorts of information about slavery if someone wants to break out of that gimme stuff victim slave mentality.

Theres all sorts of Slaves.. not one of us has any right to whine about reparations or milk it constantly. Oh and Im not hacking on Muslims for any other reason than they have an incredibly long history of it to draw upon. Slavery has always existed. Seems I read all about it in the Xtian bible and the Torah, pre pre pre Islam... and assorted things.

Roses are red, potato chips are savory...
The United States prison system is legalized slavery.

The Irish Slave trade is historical revisionism. What we had was Irish convicts and criminals being sent overseas for penal, or indentured servitude. The same happened to English convict and criminals, hence the often cited comment that Australia was built by criminals.

It's inappropriate to try and liken the Irish criminals with (say) real slavery, where Africans were sold into slavery (by Africans) and then transported to the Americas to live and die as slaves. Interestingly, the Irish were involved in this slave trade.

Good post. I can't take anyone who is for reparations seriously.

a reply to: paraphi

Yes quite right..........What the USA historians distorted, was that these "Indentured Slaves" were what was latter known as "Convicts" sent for the term of their natural life.

The American Colonies was the experiment to send Englands riff raff offshore.....teach them a lesson.

Of course these poor buggers did nothing more than steal an apple, or take some bread etc etc all mostly petty crimes.....the actual Real criminals of the time in England were Hanged.

The ONLY reason Australia was invaded and decided by the British to be a penal colony, was because the usurpers in the American Colonies, thought themselves too big and brash to be British anymore....and created a stupid war to cause trouble.....

As Captain Cook had a good look at New Holland in 1770......and with the trouble the British Americans caused by 1776, the New colony of Terra Australis (which means South Land) was decided in London, and the first white fellas arrived in 1788.......men, wives, children, officers, officials, sailors, soldiers, and a few convicts (someone had to work).
All because of you Bloody, so called "Americans"!!! No not Armenians....Americans.

Now look at all the trouble you have caused the World.

So the USA is the land of the Convicts, not Australia......ours were just the downtrodden masses.....Lucky for them.

As far as white slaves, dont forget the Barbary Pirates, who use to raid English Villages and take young white native girls for their sex slaves and worse, in this same period.......everyone seems to forget them.