Trumps Loans had Russian co-signers

originally posted by: RexKramerPRT
a reply to: Stupidsecrets

Don't Americans care if Trump lied on financial disclosures that prove he was beholden to money in the form of loans from a bank known to launder Russian money that he was only able to obtain due to Russian guarantees?

People will care if and when it's proven to be true.

As of now it's just a leftist wet dream...

a reply to: Wide-Eyes

Time will tell but I doubt it will sway some peoples beliefs.

a reply to: Lumenari

Aaaand there is the goalpost-moving. Aaand the what-aboutism. Aaand the "LOOK AT THE CLINTONS".


And nothing of this was unexpected or gave new information or just some meat to this discussion besides trying to stop it.

Face it, as soon as it was "an unnamed source" against anybody not loyal to Demented Donald, its verified by Trust Corp!

But protecting whistleblowers, as shunned as they are by the current government, is a thing to look down at. While those people might work for a wellknown vengeful wannabe-dictator-for-life. Not the best strategy to name names then.

originally posted by: RexKramerPRT
a reply to: Stupidsecrets

Don't Americans care if Trump lied on financial disclosures that prove he was beholden to money in the form of loans from a bank known to launder Russian money that he was only able to obtain due to Russian guarantees?

Of course they do. It was investigated. Nothing was there. Do they want to investigate it again? I think that is what you are saying. To that I would say no. If the CIA, FBI and NSA can't figure it out with an army of investigators who would you suggest take a crack at it?

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: Lumenari

So you dont care if someone has been part of an international money laundering scheme?

At least the Clinton foundation is common knowledge. While trump attempts to hide it or disassociate with it.

How did you manage to get from Russian co-signers to money laundering? There's nothing illegal about co-signed loans.

originally posted by: LogicalGraphitti

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: Lumenari

So you dont care if someone has been part of an international money laundering scheme?

At least the Clinton foundation is common knowledge. While trump attempts to hide it or disassociate with it.

How did you manage to get from Russian co-signers to money laundering? There's nothing illegal about co-signed loans.

If the allegation is true that there was a Russian co-signer, it would present a big question. Why?

Why would someone accept risk for no benefit? If he defaults, they are responsible for the remaining balance. Not only that, but it would show up as a line of credit under their name, so that means it would limit their ability to get loans for themselves and or business.

So if someone from Rosneft or one of the big share holders after the privatization co-signed, it would certainly raise even more questions considering events in the past 2 years.

Now, these remain as just allegations... But that doesn't stop me from being curious.

originally posted by: LogicalGraphitti

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: Lumenari

So you dont care if someone has been part of an international money laundering scheme?

At least the Clinton foundation is common knowledge. While trump attempts to hide it or disassociate with it.

How did you manage to get from Russian co-signers to money laundering? There's nothing illegal about co-signed loans.

Come on, can't rile people up leading with, "A co-signed loan by Bernie Madoff is not illegal. Now here's Al with the weather".

originally posted by: Stupidsecrets

originally posted by: LogicalGraphitti

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: Lumenari

So you dont care if someone has been part of an international money laundering scheme?

At least the Clinton foundation is common knowledge. While trump attempts to hide it or disassociate with it.

How did you manage to get from Russian co-signers to money laundering? There's nothing illegal about co-signed loans.

Come on, can't rile people up leading with, "A co-signed loan by Bernie Madoff is not illegal. Now here's Al with the weather".

No, it's not illegal.

But it's curious none the less.

Do any Trump supporters actually care if he's in bed with Russia financially?

originally posted by: Wide-Eyes

originally posted by: RexKramerPRT
a reply to: Stupidsecrets

Don't Americans care if Trump lied on financial disclosures that prove he was beholden to money in the form of loans from a bank known to launder Russian money that he was only able to obtain due to Russian guarantees?

People will care if and when it's proven to be true.

As of now it's just a leftist wet dream...

I will care when it is proven that Trump broke the law.
So far, it is a rumor based on anonymous sources.

originally posted by: Wayfarer
Do any Trump supporters actually care if he's in bed with Russia financially?

Plenty of left wingers cared that he had hookers pee on a bed in Moscow.
How did that turn out?
Same deal, a rumor pushed by leftwingers that so far has no basis in fact.

originally posted by: Wayfarer
Do any Trump supporters actually care if he's in bed with Russia financially?

Of course they do. Does anybody care that the FBI, CIA and NSA looked into for over 2 years and found nothing using the most sophisticated tools, methods along dozens of the best investigators in the world. If they didn't find it it's not there and there is nobody else with that level of resources to drill any deeper. They took this to the bottom of the Marianas trench. Nothing.

a reply to: Stupidsecrets

Of course they do. Does anybody care that the FBI, CIA and NSA looked into for over 2 years and found nothing using the most sophisticated tools

How do you know they found nothing? Surely they don't disclose everything (or anything) from their investigations. That would come out if there was some sort of legal preceding.

In any case, you're more than welcome to ignore the piece. But don't be surprised if this intrigues other people, it's an interesting story.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: LogicalGraphitti

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: Lumenari

So you dont care if someone has been part of an international money laundering scheme?

At least the Clinton foundation is common knowledge. While trump attempts to hide it or disassociate with it.

How did you manage to get from Russian co-signers to money laundering? There's nothing illegal about co-signed loans.

If the allegation is true that there was a Russian co-signer, it would present a big question. Why?

Why would someone accept risk for no benefit? If he defaults, they are responsible for the remaining balance. Not only that, but it would show up as a line of credit under their name, so that means it would limit their ability to get loans for themselves and or business.

So if someone from Rosneft or one of the big share holders after the privatization co-signed, it would certainly raise even more questions considering events in the past 2 years.

Now, these remain as just allegations... But that doesn't stop me from being curious.

"If the allegation is true"... I just can't seem to get enough detail from the story to determine what the allegation is. When was the loan taken out? If it was before he put his hat into the ring for president, then a Russian wouldn't have signed in order to gain political favor. Maybe the Russian wanted a piece of whatever business the money was put up for. What other countries did the Trump organization do business in? Are there some Scots that put up money for a golf course some years ago and are now beneficiaries of political favors? Maybe but that's business.

a reply to: LogicalGraphitti

I just can't seem to get enough detail from the story to determine what the allegation is. When was the loan taken out?

We'd have to know who the cosigner was.

And I don't think it's common for other companies/people to leverage the self for someone else.

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: Lumenari

So you dont care if someone has been part of an international money laundering scheme?

At least the Clinton foundation is common knowledge. While trump attempts to hide it or disassociate with it.

How does receiving a loan = money laundering? Do me a favor and actually look up the meaning of that term, instead of just using it as a dog whistle.

While it's possible the Russians are/were laundering money, it's hard to imagine how Trump is supposed to have been involved. Accomplices in money laundering are typically banks or casinos, who are in a position to move cash around easily.

Even Trump's most diehard haters have never offered anything remotely resembling an explanation for how he has supposedly committed this crime.

To the extent they even try, it's just stuff like this -- pointing to some link to Russia or Russians (such as the abandoned plans for a Trump Tower in Moscow) and then hyperventilating as if this is somehow proof of wrongdoing.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: Stupidsecrets

Of course they do. Does anybody care that the FBI, CIA and NSA looked into for over 2 years and found nothing using the most sophisticated tools

How do you know they found nothing? Surely they don't disclose everything (or anything) from their investigations. That would come out if there was some sort of legal preceding.

In any case, you're more than welcome to ignore the piece. But don't be surprised if this intrigues other people, it's an interesting story.

Mueller's report said, in the most plain & unambiguous language possible, that there was no evidence Trump or any other Americans colluded with Russia.

So, are you saying Mueller ignored evidence of money laundering?

a reply to: AndyFromMichigan

Hard to imaging how a property developer could be involved in money laundering? Isn't that a pretty good business to be in if that's your game.Funny you should mention casinos:

Just months before Donald Trump announced his bid for president in 2015, federal regulators announced they were slapping one of his longtime Atlantic City casinos with a record-setting $10 million fine for lack of controls around money laundering.

‘Trump, Inc.’ Podcast: Money Laundering and the Trump Taj Mahal

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: Stupidsecrets

Of course they do. Does anybody care that the FBI, CIA and NSA looked into for over 2 years and found nothing using the most sophisticated tools

How do you know they found nothing? Surely they don't disclose everything (or anything) from their investigations. That would come out if there was some sort of legal preceding.

In any case, you're more than welcome to ignore the piece. But don't be surprised if this intrigues other people, it's an interesting story.

I get your point. My point however is if all those 3 letter agencies didn't look into or, somehow "missed" something critical the United States has much, much bigger problems because if they missed it, the conversation then goes to what else have they missed over the years because this was not that hard to look into.

I will eat crow if this goes anywhere but what is more believable; they didn't find anything, or Lawrence Odonnel is a firebrand extreme far left socialist TV pundit who makes a living off of good TV ratings and he hates Trump with every cell in his body.

a reply to: RexKramerPRT

Nope, they don't. Thanx...MS