There aren't (m)any Japanese or Chinese "supremacists" - Why do you think this is?

There aren't (m)any Japanese or Chinese "supremacists" - Why do you think this is?

There are. You just don't hear about it.

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: AnakinWayneII

that's funny as fluck.

I've lived in both Chinese and Japanese societies.

If you haven't already done so, go to Japan and see / experience it for yourself. They're not so much supremacists as they're Traditionalists / Fundamentalists who have zero tolerance of outsiders influencing the natural progression of their culture.

Same goes for China, and Malaysia and Saudi Arabia and Iran and Indonesia and one or two others I've lived or worked in.

Sounds good to me. Why is it verboten to protect, support your own? Why does it have to be some -ism in the west?
It's like saying that Nature is a supremacist or a Nazi, when all Nature does is what is the program that ensures more of your ilk is going to survive [or even just succeed] if you are more capable.
Have you seen what animals and plants are doing?
They are all killers and supremacist. And funnily enough, being that means there is some truth to it.
Us in the western world are just about to die out and sell our own down the drain for some human insults we have to actively work against, because it is just so engrained in us because of this 'pesky' need to keep our own 'up there'
Instead we are helping the 'others' to literally obliterate us and our success, because of words others will call us if we don't.

In Nature stuff like this only happens if you contract a fluke worm or you literally have your brain altered by gut fauna or a brain tumor.
We are therefore not supreme at all, we are sick in the head.

a reply to: AnakinWayneII

Your assessment is pretty far off.

I think the most glaring example is China allegedly holding 1 million~ Uyghur citizens in "re-education" camps to scrub them of their old ways and act more Han.

originally posted by: sunkuong
Annectodal evidence is awesome

Experience is better. However, a simple search engine scan provides quite alot of material of Chinese racism towards Africans.

originally posted by: AnakinWayneII
Haven't come across or heard of many, if any, Japanese or Chinese (or Asian) supremacists.

Why do you think this is?

All we hear about are white supremacists blah blah. Haven't heard of or come across any Japanese (or Asian) or Chinese (or even Black) "supremacists" for that matter.

Why do you think this is?


EDIT: As an aside, a couple of people, on replying to general threads (Hong Kong protests etc, Taiwan diplomatic wranglings) mentioned, in passing, that Han Chinese believe themselves to be "superior" to everybody else on the planet - however, I see no indication that this is indeed the case. There is no modern evidence in the modern world to suggest that this is true.

Supremisists in general are very rare these days. Most white supremiists are simply center right conservatives who have been incorrectly labelled. Or deliberately slandered with that label.

In China and Japan people are usually called "nationalists" instead of being called "supremisists", but they aren't common as supremisist thinking doesn't come naturally to people from Chinese or Japanese cultures which value group dynamics and discourage people from speaking out when they hold minority views.

Most people in China are Chinese, and most people in Japan are Japanese. So there aren't really that many people for them to be "supremisist" against. Like how there is very little racism in Kore, because most Koreans will only meet a handful of people from other races in their entire life unless they live in a big city.

In my travels I've met many Asians who had never met another person from a different race before they met me, and may not meet another person from a different race for years afterwards. For these people it simply doesn't occur to them to be prejudice or to hold racist views because for all intensive purposes people form other races only exist on TV or in movies.

Things are different in the US as failed polisies such as multi-culturalism and diversity are forcing people from different races to mix together. Different people form different backgrounds will inevitably come into conflict. Not all the time, not every times, but often enough.

China and Japan don't have this mixing so they don't have this conflict.

China has something a little similar between people from different (non-Han) backgrounds, or with people from ruralmegatropolis backgrounds. A native of Shanghi might feel resentment towards somebody from a central or western province because they tend to be poor and to try o come into the city in large numbers usetting the local culture.

a reply to: hombero

I was loosely talking about east and south east Asia. Did you think I was including Hawaii and San Francisco and Los Angeles too?

Not to mention that the post was tongue in cheek and not meant to be taken literally .

But that never stopped you last time either .

originally posted by: Creep Thumper

There aren't (m)any Japanese or Chinese "supremacists" - Why do you think this is?

There are. You just don't hear about it.

I've been there and seen it for myself. But CNN can't profit on the outrage generated by reporting that Han Chinese in Beijing are prejudice against people from Haerbin who come to do construction and laboring. They say pretty much the same things as white americans say about hispanic immigrants.

Its more profitable for the liberal media to report on supposed white supremacy.

a reply to: AnakinWayneII
Ask the Chinese.

You're kidding, right? Our troops left a lot of babies in japan at the end of ww2, Korea after that war, and Vietnam... by what I understand, they weren't treated kindly by the society..

An aside...when did the term "oriental" become banned?
Is it still "the orient" or is that a smaller region comparatively?

originally posted by: hombero
a reply to: AnakinWayneII

They're just more modest about telling people.

Are you trying to imply that whire folk are better at it?

Known and worked with both groups and the reason you never hear of Asian Supremacy is because you don't speak their language and they don't spread their more ingrained "truths" among the masses of foreign media. You don't hear about it because the worldwide media doesn't propagandize about it (being outside the USA).

There's plenty of nationalist/ethnic/'racial' supremacy to go around in all cultures.
Some have much better sense than to air their attitudes in public (especially not in English).

Call it what you will, the root word is always ELITISM, which takes many forms, all of which are "bad".

ganjoa

P.S. except for intellectual elitism being universal constant because people are stupid

Perhaps the Olympics tend to showcase various countries and their attitude about supremacy or nationalism or homogeny...see how diverse their participants are, especially team sports. Do Japanese soccer teams employ people of color? Caucasians?

originally posted by: AnakinWayneII
Haven't come across or heard of many, if any, Japanese or Chinese (or Asian) supremacists.

Why do you think this is?

All we hear about are white supremacists blah blah. Haven't heard of or come across any Japanese (or Asian) or Chinese (or even Black) "supremacists" for that matter.

Why do you think this is?


EDIT: As an aside, a couple of people, on replying to general threads (Hong Kong protests etc, Taiwan diplomatic wranglings) mentioned, in passing, that Han Chinese believe themselves to be "superior" to everybody else on the planet - however, I see no indication that this is indeed the case. There is no modern evidence in the modern world to suggest that this is true.

This is incredibly naive.
Think you should go study history, it’s embarrassing you think this

originally posted by: Zrtst
Perhaps the Olympics tend to showcase various countries and their attitude about supremacy or nationalism or homogeny...see how diverse their participants are, especially team sports. Do Japanese soccer teams employ people of color? Caucasians?

But there aren't many foreigners who live in China or Japan.

Tourists, temporary English teachers, exchange trips etc - but barely any actual non-Asians who are actually resident in those countries (and no, occupying US troops do not count for Japan)...

I think it is because the Asians aren’t stupid enough to allow unfettered immigration into their homelands. White homelands have been destroyed for the most part.

a reply to: AnakinWayneII

I'm dying here, really dying..

I'll put this in the most this in the most simple terms. You don't hear about Japanese, Chinese, or Korean supremacist.

You know why.............................. Really Why..

BECAUSE They all are! Every last one of them. Asians are some of the most racist people on the face of the earth!
I'm not joking, I'm Asian (I'm mixed, so I only hate part of myself that's a joke)

Yes they are even "supremacist" between their own. Light skin Asians think they are above dark ones etc. Somehow, it is just accepted and it does not come with the same rage/hate it does here. They all seem to buy into the fact that
the lighter your skin the richer you appear. I know for a lot of people in the West they think it's about Asians wanting to look white. They don't.

You are right.. We had a foreign exchange student from Vietnam.. The sweetest girl in the world, but she said some of the most racist things about other Asians, even some subset of Vietnamese people. I think they were called Hmong...

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: AnakinWayneII

I haven't already done so, go to Japan and see / experience it for yourself. They're not so much supremacists as they're Traditionalists / Fundamentalists who have zero tolerance of outsiders influencing the natural progression of their culture.

This does not square with anecdotes I've heard about an alleged Japanese infatuation with American music (bluegrass, specifically and strangely enough) from well-travelled folk in my circle, including fellow musicians.

Plus, my personal trainer's mother has a lucrative career teaching hula dance classes in Japan.

Are these things simply seen as novelties...sideshows?

originally posted by: DictionaryOfExcuses

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: AnakinWayneII

I haven't already done so, go to Japan and see / experience it for yourself. They're not so much supremacists as they're Traditionalists / Fundamentalists who have zero tolerance of outsiders influencing the natural progression of their culture.

This does not square with anecdotes I've heard about an alleged Japanese infatuation with American music (bluegrass, specifically and strangely enough) from well-travelled folk in my circle, including fellow musicians.

Plus, my personal trainer's mother has a lucrative career teaching hula dance classes in Japan.

Are these things simply seen as novelties...sideshows?

Just think about that.....

You don't think a white supremacist eats a taco every once in a while, or maybe even listens to a popular song on the radio? Of course they do. They can enjoy all those things and still think their race is superior.

A Japanese person can enjoy and learn hula dance, but at the end of the day they will always pick a fan dance as truly Japanese.