State doesn't let mom make medical decision for daughter with cancer

originally posted by: JAGStorm

The chickenpox vaccine is not part of the routine UK childhood vaccination programme because chickenpox is usually a mild illness, particularly in children. There's also a worry that introducing chickenpox vaccination for all children could increase the risk of chickenpox and shingles in adults.


It doesn't take a lot to start connecting the dots, it really doesn't.
It's all about money.

OK so you do not mind giving your kids Chickenpox Pox..not a fun illness, AND has a much higher risk then the chickenpox vaccine. Lets all have a Chickenpox party! How about for Measles and Polio, or the other 15 or so diseases that have vaccines. If one is just for money they all must be too, right?

When your data is only "worried" I do not find that very statistical.

originally posted by: JAGStorm

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: JAGStorm

Prove she was getting better.

www.nbcnews.com...

There is a video on here

Someone not on chemotherapy may well appear much healthier than someone receiving treatment. No one is disputing that chemo can have horrible sure effects.

That doesn't mean she was getting better.

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin

I honestly think that's a good solution in this case, while there is no evidence to support that CBD oil can "cure" cancers there has been some evidence to suggest that it can alleviate some of the side effects of chemo and there are other complementary and alternative therapies that have been shown to have similar effects. I think that so long as it is done under medical supervision and it's not going to cause harm the go for it but use it in conjunction with traditional medicine.

There does seem to be an all or nothing mentality going on here. The other question is would the operation kill her, or just not cure the cancer and then they die. I think the operation is low risk, but carries 50% -70% cure compared to close to 0 chance with no operation, so do both and anything else you think might help.

a reply to: Xtrozero

That "data" quote is from the NHS in the UK, not mine. I put the link in with my comment.

(in case you don't know what the NHS is, it is National Health Service that funds public healthcare for the UK, the largest single-payer healthcare system in the world)

I had chicken pox as a child, but my children were all vaccinated as we are Americans and it is required by state/school.

You missed my point. Here are two of the most developed countries in the world, The UK and America, yet they can't even agree on the chicken pox vaccination. One country says it is absolutely necessary to protect our children, another country says it's a "mild disease" and by getting it (the vaccine), it could cause further problems. Which is it?

a reply to: Xtrozero

My mother had an operation to remove a cancerous tumor and she never woke up.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

My mother had an operation to remove a cancerous tumor and she never woke up.

How old was she, and how healthy was she, there is always a small chance with any surgery, but that risk grows if the person is weak and unhealthy. In the case of your mother it might have been a shot in the dark that either could kill her with the cancer being 100%.

originally posted by: JAGStorm

You missed my point. Here are two of the most developed countries in the world, The UK and America, yet they can't even agree on the chicken pox vaccination. One country says it is absolutely necessary to protect our children, another country says it's a "mild disease" and by getting it (the vaccine), it could cause further problems. Which is it?

And I asked do they not give the other 15 vaccines either? Is one all profit related, or do we just say the vaccine is better... maybe it is not as data comes forward in this case. Maybe the vaccine causes complications in adulthood with shingles, but chicken pox as an adult is no laughing matter so you need one or the other as a child.

a reply to: Xtrozero
She was 67 and it was pancreatic cancer... it was a blessing really, at least she only had cancer for a month.

a reply to: Xtrozero
My Mum was on so may tablets for so many years.
When she was first admitted into hospital they ran tests because she was jaundiced.... they said she was an alcoholic..... she never drank!!

I swear that her liver and the rest of her internal organs were destroyed by all those pills she had been prescribed.

a reply to: Xtrozero
I had chickenpox as an adult..... and survived and so did my brother.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
My Mum was on so may tablets for so many years.
When she was first admitted into hospital they ran tests because she was jaundiced.... they said she was an alcoholic..... she never drank!!

I swear that her liver was destroyed by all those pills she had been prescribed.

There is a good chance it was damage with drugs that are Acetaminophen or other type drugs that effect the liver, add alcohol to that mix and bad joojoo for the liver, but looking at your mother's condition her liver problems from the drugs might have been her least problem, sorry to say.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

I had chickenpox as an adult..... and survived and so did my brother.

As an adult... There is higher risk. I'm glad you were OK.

Some complications that can arise from chickenpox include:

Skin infections
Pneumonia
Encephalitis (swelling in the brain)
Shingles (later in life)
Joint inflammation

Vaccination is the best way to prevent chickenpox. A chickenpox vaccine has been available in the U.S. since 1995 and is easy to get from a doctor or a public health clinic. The chickenpox vaccine is very effective at preventing the disease -- between 70% and 90% of people who get vaccinated will be completely immune to chickenpox. If a vaccinated person does get chickenpox, the symptoms will be very mild and only last for a few days.

a reply to: Xtrozero
What about taking Diazepam for 40 years?
And blood pressure medication and beta blockers?

She did not drink and very rarely took Parecetamol.

a reply to: Xtrozero
It is ok.... I live in England and the chickenpox is better here.

Think of the kiddies..... they would miss out on a party.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: Xtrozero
What about taking Diazepam for 40 years?
And blood pressure medication and beta blockers?

She did not drink and very rarely took Parecetamol.

Hard to say as in those drugs are not typically associated with liver issues, but 40 years is a long time. The body can typically handle just about anything in small doses.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

It is ok.... I live in England and the chickenpox is better here.

Think of the kiddies..... they would miss out on a party.

The funny part is the vaccine is actually chickenpox, just a weaker form that doesn't cause all the discomfort, so taking the vaccine means you are actually getting chickenpox. Party on!

a reply to: Xtrozero
Yeah all those people getting vaccines are contagious.
They should stay at home for a while after getting shots to prevent spreading diseases.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: Xtrozero
Yeah all those people getting vaccines are contagious.
They should stay at home for a while after getting shots to prevent spreading diseases.

Some are very

a reply to: JAGStorm

Not to one up you, but my mom told me that she has basically been getting drunk since she was 5 years old.

Hahahaha... I bow to the master!

TheRedneck

a reply to: Xtrozero

Well with the one we have actual historical data to base percentages on.

And why do we have that? Because for all of that historical period, people were allowed to make their own medical decisions for themselves and those in their care. If we allow this to continue, we not only preserve freedom from tyranny, we allow medical science to progress even farther.

Or, we can go the authoritarian route and use the force of law to make medical decisions for people who don't make the decisions they are supposed to make, resulting in no further medical advancement because no one will ever be allowed to try anything not prescribed by a doctor. Forget someone with a terminal illness having the opportunity to at least try something different; no doctor will ever authorize experimental treatments because of the potential for malpractice suits. No insurance company will ever pay for experimental procedures because they see it as another expense.

But more important to me is the fact that people die every single day from medical mistakes. Every single day. People should at least have the ability to decide whether the risks are worth the rewards for themselves and those they care for. Anything less is pure tyranny.

TheRedneck