Explaining the Brexit Mess.

Brexit mess explained via the Home Secretary and Prime Minister.
Priti Patel: the borders will be closed to free movement from Oct 31st
Bozo Johnson: there will never be a hard border between Eire & N.I.
doh!

a reply to: sapien82

I despise The Tories and everything they stand for and represent.
And I have particularly low opinion of Boris Johnson.

I've been a life long Labour voter for the simple reason their policies are far more aligned with my personal views.
I've never been naïve or narrow minded enough to agree with everything any politician or political party has ever espoused.

But I could never vote for a party led by Jeremy Corbyn.
I have zero respect for the man and his beliefs.
And he has led The Labour Party away from its core support in favour of every single minority or special cause and is as far removed from the cares and concerns of ordinary, everyday British people as The Tories are.

The LibDems are far too wishy-washy and tree huggy for my liking.

The options available to the British electorate are a reflection of the fit for purpose of our parliamentary and political processes.

As for the Armed Services; in an ideal world I'd agree with you.
But we most certainly don't live in an ideal world and I personally think its imperative we have a strong military - that's not to say I think we should have an aggressive foreign policy or should act as anyone's lap dog.

The options available to the British people are truly pitiful.
Someone once said that a country gets the government it deserves, a part of me believes that never has it been more true today than ever.

My daughter has just been to the chippy for me but the cost of that was I've had to watch some crappy quiz show called The Hundred K Drop or something like that......The Weather Girls just won 5grand.
My mind is numb.

All thoughts of a day of sobriety have disappeared and I'm going to the pub soon.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Just let the people vote to replace the politicians who are causing the "mess", then have a BREXIT vote again.

But what is the bottom line? What really matters?

Jobs and unemployment is important.
Costs of consumables.
Ease of travel.
Security.

I don't think most of those change too much with or without Brexit.

originally posted by: amazing
But what is the bottom line? What really matters?

Jobs and unemployment is important.
Costs of consumables.
Ease of travel.
Security.

I don't think most of those change too much with or without Brexit.

We have a great deal while enjoying the Customs Union and Free Trade agreements, once we're out the WTO deal will hurt us, those that aren't millionaires anyway. The likes of moog that are telling you everything will be fine, will themselves be fine while making a profit from the wrecked economy.
There's only North Korea, Serbia and Algeria that will be fellow sole traders in the WTO, which of those three economies do you wish us to emulate?

Travel in Europe immediately becomes more of a hassle, we are also straight out of Europol so security is an issue while jobs, well uber are hiring but we don't make cars anymore.

a reply to: Freeborn

It will be fun watching Corbyn squirm about calling a GE. Blair was right - it's an elephant trap for Labour.

Enjoy pub.

a reply to: andy06shake

Bear with me.

My first love was born in Malta of British parentage so she was Maltese/British and American because her (terribly) British parents were naturalized.

I felt just like Boris in that picture, every Sunday. When I had roast beef (overdone) for dinner at Janie's house.

They had a corgi.

a reply to: Phage

Overdone? Good.

I love grilled lamb chops in Greece - they cremate them. One guy at a taverna asked for his to be pink and the owner was like "What??? You don't want them cooked"?

a reply to: oldcarpy

Yes.

Every Sunday.

a reply to: Phage

I take it you like your beef still mooing?

a reply to: oldcarpy

No, but a bit bloody.

And I still take cream in my tea.

a reply to: Phage

And I still take cream in my tea.

Gaaaaah!!! Quick nurse...the screens!!!

I posted this in another Brexit thread:

order-order.com...

The pro-Government plan will see the very motion intended to ease the passage of the Benn Bill become the roadblock to it being passed. Senior Lords sources inform Guido that the time it will take the upper chamber to hear and vote on each amendment, as its rules compel it to do, would take up continuous 24/7 sitting until Saturday. Only after then could the Remainers’ anti-No Deal Bill be put. The Tories are determined to not see the Prime Minister’s hands bound in these negotiations. They have a real chance of talking the bill out in the Lords before the earliest opportunity to prorogue Parliament presents itself on Monday morning…

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Just let the people vote to replace the politicians who are causing the "mess", then have a BREXIT vote again.

What's the point of another referendum after the politicians who don't accept democracy have left the scene? It would only be necessary if opinion had swopped sides since the referendum. But that's the argument used by some of these awkward politicans. So why are you in favour of replacing people who have been using the very argument that you seem to support, i.e., let's have a new referendum.

Your position is inconsistent. Either have a new election to get rid of the buggers (hundreds of them in the House of Commons) or have another referendum (good luck with that - it would cause riots and political pandemonium) but not both.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Just let the people vote to replace the politicians who are causing the "mess", then have a BREXIT vote again.

And then, if we dare vote to leave again, ignore the result for another three years and then have it thwarted again by a bunch of traitors?

No, thanks.

wrong thread lol.

originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: Freeborn

It will be fun watching Corbyn squirm about calling a GE. Blair was right - it's an elephant trap for Labour.

Enjoy pub.

No sign of squirming yet. Latest is, he still intends to agree to an election but only AFTER the House has passed a bill stopping the government from carrying out a hard Brexit. Trouble is, the old dodgers in the House of Lords loyal to Boris will fillybuster proceedings to the point that there won't be time to pass the bill before parliament is suspended. Meanwhile, these legal games by sore-losing Remainers cannot force him to ask Brussels for an extension. If they try that, he will resign, making it impossible to stop a hard Brexit because there is not enough time either to have a new leader election or a general election. He will be willing to sacrifice himself if it means achieving Brexit.

watching parliament live , sorry , train wreck live

Boris is struggling

its mental

a reply to: sapien82

I can't watch it any more. Not good for my blood pressure.