Reports alleging China is bringing in military to Hong Kong border

originally posted by: JAGStorm
a reply to: CriticalStinker

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Hong Kong Protesters Wave American Flags, Sing Our National Anthem During Demonstration

Wow if that isn't an image!!

The Union Flag also.



And British Colonial Flag.

originally posted by: JAGStorm
a reply to: CriticalStinker

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Hong Kong Protesters Wave American Flags, Sing Our National Anthem During Demonstration

Wow if that isn't an image!!

Very inspiring indeed. Though we had a rough weekend in regards to news of a very high profile case... It puts things in perspective when you see what others are going through right now.

originally posted by: Nickn3

originally posted by: Duderino
If only we weren't in a trade war with China, maybe we'd have a diplomatic leg to stand on in this situation.

China’s fair play is the reason we are in a tread war with China. They have Ben doing to us what they are about to do to Hong Kong

I don't think that is a fair comparison. For one, I don't feel oppressed by China the way Hong Kong might in the coming days, and depending on global reaction, forever.

And for another, while China has been loading their deck, just as many of our politicians and corporations were complicit with selling us out to the East.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

Very inspiring indeed. Though we had a rough weekend in regards to news of a very high profile case... It puts things in perspective when you see what others are going through right now.

YES, exactly! Inspiring and heartbreaking at the same time. People that live a world away and understand what it means so much more than a lot of the people that live here.

It is quite possible and indeed even likely that this will be the outcome of the protests, they were hardly gentle with the students in the past and as Hong Kong has become less important for there financial purposes with many or even most of it's money men having moved there interests into Beijing they probably have less incentive to keep this golden goose in one piece if push comes to shove.

Such an action could precipitate a major shock to the stock markets however as the Hong Kong stock exchange is still extremely important on the world stage, China will never allow Hong Kong to go independent though as that is what the majority of Hong Kong people really want these day's fearing the creeping and now galloping power of the communist drive toward full re-unification with the body of China since so many of them also fled the communists.

I still wonder why we Brit's did not go over Beijing's head on this and hand it over to Taiwan and there then US protectors instead as we could have argued that since both the Communists of Beijing and the Government of Taiwan both have legitimate claim to be the real government of China we would have literally then fulfilled our original deal with China.

Still that kind of action would probably have caused us massive economic impediment in the region so perhaps the idiot's in charge back then were just playing it as they saw it safe by handing over to Beijing instead of Taiwan.

The boat people of Hong Kong harbor were mostly people that had fled poverty and communism elsewhere, especially during the Mao years when the communists caused millions to die of starvation as Mao pushed his own ideology cruelly onto the very Chinese people he was supposed to be leading.

When we handed over Hong Kong though our importance as a nation on the world stage was severely diminished since it had become such a major economic power in the world and had been there to ride the tiger economy's of Asia during the boom's of the 70's and 80's making fortunes for lucky investors over night, back then though the Chinese knew it's value and had a more or less hand's off approach to there governing of Hong Kong, that seem's to have changed as I say probably due to the decreasing importance of Hong Kong compared to other Chinese city's within mainland China and the move of many of the ultra wealthy elite of HK to those city's along with there company's tempted by cheaper office space, more land and cheaper labor to draw upon and while HK remain's a fabulously wealthy place and still has it's share of extremely rich investors etc they are mostly playing it on the side of China since they are the kind to always butter there bread on the side it wont fall on if they can.

I suspect we may see news blackout's shortly from HK and there may be some extremely heavy handed tactics used if and WHEN the Chinese army does move in to quell the protests, there triad heavy's already failed to do so with the protesters fighting back and actually taking to harassing the gangsters, something the Triad's were probably unprepared for thinking that they had the city under there thumb and in fear of them only for there action's to then come back to bite them hard on there rump.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

This doesn't look good for the protestors at all... only thing that could save them now is if they got their hands on some guns to defend themselves..

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: AndyFromMichigan

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: Duderino
If only we weren't in a trade war with China, maybe we'd have a diplomatic leg to stand on in this situation.

Honestly that probably gives us more footing.

Since when does China listen to the global community in regard to their domestic affairs?

If anyone has grounds to intervene, it's the UK, not the US. The agreement to keep Hong Kong semi-autonomous was with them, not us.

True, and if Ukraine and Crimea showed, even if it did involve us, we're some professional hand sitters (though to be fair I was glad we didn't intervene there).

I doubt the UK is going to go past lip service given their hands being full trying to get Brexit squared away.

Also got troops heading to the straight of Hormuz

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: Duderino
If only we weren't in a trade war with China, maybe we'd have a diplomatic leg to stand on in this situation.

Honestly that probably gives us more footing.

Since when does China listen to the global community in regard to their domestic affairs?

Since Trump became president and it gave progs a reason to twist it into something negative against him. Before that, probably never.

a reply to: TruthxIsxInxThexMist

Well to be fair the Chinese are a dangerous foe in that respect BUT they have had there arse handed to them on occasion such as there attempt to annex Vietnam which proved even more disastrous for them than it ever did for the Yank's as when the VC turned on the Chinese they kicked the Chinese back with such force that China spent over a decade licking it's wound's (they both claimed victory), mostly that war had been about the longer term animosity between China and Russia since the Vietnamese were of course Russia's proxy in the region, oddly though at that time China was loosely an ally of the west and had turned it's own arsenal toward Soviet Russia with the promise to the states that if WW3 had ever occurred the Chinese would have also attacked the Soviets - probably to take land and resources and to expand there own borders - there was a spat between Mao and Stalin two lovely nice kindly men (honestly haha) and Stalin had thought that he could bully his fellow despot Mao and even tried to send the soviet army into China resulting in the Soviets getting a kicking from the Chinese and actually losing territory to them (People died in all of these conflict's so I do not mean to trivialize the suffering they caused to one another but on a global stage).

a reply to: alldaylong

Hmm, looks like a call to some powerful countries huh?

originally posted by: Duderino
If only we weren't in a trade war with China, maybe we'd have a diplomatic leg to stand on in this situation.

...because the west has had such a great track record of convincing China to back off on human rights violations when free trade was the norm and relations were robust?

If the Elites are looking for a news event to push Epstein off the headlines, a Tienneman style massacre would be just what they wanted

The trade war is irrelevant at this time. If they start killing protestors then the rest of the world (minus say Russia and Iran) will join the US in putting economic pressure on the ChiComs

a reply to: FredT

If the Elites are looking for a news event to push Epstein off the headlines, a Tienneman style massacre would be just what they wanted

Oddly enough the media has been pretty quite on this....

Unfortunately US companies have proven to do the bidding of the communist party in return for access to do business there. This has included tech, social platforms, and media.

Just spoke to my good friend in Kowloon who is a buyer. She said there is total all out panic. She's trying to fly out anywhere as soon as she can but it's getting near impossible. The people are not expecting any sort of international help and feel pretty doomed. I am concerned.

You realize that we could trash China's infrastructure and military in about 10 days right? So going to war is an option, what's the worst that could happen? Armageddon? Nah... our tech is so advanced we could knock out every ICBM they can fire at us before it got past Guam. We could take them out without NATO or ANZAC's help - and you know we'd drag them into it whether they liked it or not. I bet Trump could drag Putin in on our side, Russia never liked them anyways.

Really the best route is to start with heavy sanctions against the PRC, crushing their economy completely. Then they can get removed from the U.N. and will no longer be security council members.

Just know that if we put sanctions on them it's WW3 Time because the PRC will be in a corner and have no choice but to fight it out. Even 1 tiny sanction will lead to war I reckon.

The free world will win easily though, the people in PRC will gladly revolt once they see their command/control centers get tomahawked.

China's a paper tiger or dragon or whatever. It'll be over quickly. Our military was built for large scale engagements just like this.


Too bad no one will intervene... it's just a pipe dream.

originally posted by: TruthxIsxInxThexMist

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: AndyFromMichigan

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: Duderino
If only we weren't in a trade war with China, maybe we'd have a diplomatic leg to stand on in this situation.

Honestly that probably gives us more footing.

Since when does China listen to the global community in regard to their domestic affairs?

If anyone has grounds to intervene, it's the UK, not the US. The agreement to keep Hong Kong semi-autonomous was with them, not us.

True, and if Ukraine and Crimea showed, even if it did involve us, we're some professional hand sitters (though to be fair I was glad we didn't intervene there).

I doubt the UK is going to go past lip service given their hands being full trying to get Brexit squared away.

Also got troops heading to the straight of Hormuz

Everybody knows there isn't going to be a conflict between the UK and China over this.

I know I'm always a pacifist and have always been anti-war, but I love Hong Kong so much and just can't bare to see China get away with this. And I believe in Liberty so strongly and our commitment to people around the world that we'll support them in their fight for it.

And China is a giant bully, just like we are, but worse. We actually pretend to love freedom, they make no attempt to pretend at all.

We should at least threaten them.

I just can't bear to see this happening and no one does anything about it.

We'd actually be the #ing good guy here for once. That means we won't go to war huh? The ONE time we'd actually be the #ing good guys we won't do it.... SIGH.....

originally posted by: Justso
Just spoke to my good friend in Kowloon who is a buyer. She said there is total all out panic. She's trying to fly out anywhere as soon as she can but it's getting near impossible. The people are not expecting any sort of international help and feel pretty doomed. I am concerned.

If only they had a 2nd Amendment huh?

That's what we keep trying to tell the gun grabbers here - this stuff can and will happen in 1st world nations. If only they were an armed populace this type of thing would be way way harder to pull off.

This is the one conflict where fighting for something we believe in matters.
The ONE time we'd actually do the RIGHT thing.

And everyone's a coward.

Sorry Hong Kong, you're #'d.
If I was President I would have moved the Marines in last week.

I'm with you guys, sorry no one else is.

a reply to: muzzleflash

Sorry Hong Kong, you're #'d.
If I was President I would have moved the Marines in last week.

China as a whole is repressive af.

Close to a million are in "re-education camps".... The citizens are going to have to demand change. We would just invoke WWIII by intervention... Killing more than we save.

It is what it is.