Why do we even entertain the loss of freedoms

originally posted by: Nothin
Our loss of freedom is unacceptable!!!!

But the truth is that it is acceptable to those who accept it. It is even acceptable to those who don't care but don't feel the need for that freedom anyway.

Was it because politicians took advantage of Americans who were grieving and emotionally distraught?

I don't remember the Congress asking people if they were OK with the new laws.

People did know about their Congress person afterward at the next election when many were reelected.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: chr0naut

Do you think restricting firearms would help the US?

Is it our access to guns or other things we should address?

Yes, I think restricting firearms could help.

Just like I think that universal medical care with free psychological support could also help.

You already license cars and drivers because they can be a deadly weapon. Surely gun safety goes hand in hand with registration and a concept of responsible use.

Oh, and if the movies and TV stopped it with the bias toward the anti-hero, that might help the immature to stop from seeing it as a legitimate expression of 'strength'.

Too many commit suicide or violence because of their ideation about guns. To change the effects of gun proliferation, change the ideation.

And, for everyone's sake, guns can be dangerous. You need to have some rules, that everyone knows and agrees upon, about handling them safely.

a reply to: chr0naut

This country once had universal (or at least government sponsored) psychological care, but the conditions inside those asylums were deplorable and so activists got them shut down.

The results are the current system we have which is pills and nothing. The mentally ill now have the right to be that way. That's one freedom many who fear guns aren't willing to take from someone else.

a reply to: DBCowboy
What do you think about restrictions on murder?

The reason why we entertain giving up freedom is because total freedom is a horrorshow.

originally posted by: Krahzeef_Ukhar
a reply to: DBCowboy
What do you think about restrictions on murder?

The reason why we entertain giving up freedom is because total freedom is a horrorshow.

Freedom as long as it doesn't infringe upon the rights of others.

It's a Constitution thing, brah.

Some Americans want to lose a right to save other Americans but it is too late for that since there are millions of guns out there. It is still rather disgusting for others to cry about losing rights for selfish reasons such as losing their gun and the hell with other Americans.

One has good intentions but unrealistic and the other is just cowardly.

Also the same people crying about rights such as guns are quiet when Americans other than whites are stopped and frisked or stopped to produce papers to prove who they are or where they are born.

They are basically saying the constitution is only for certain Americans.

a reply to: D3M1G0D

For many Americans, guns are still necessary tools of daily life. You try rural life without one.

a reply to: D3M1G0D

Nobody is saying that except for the lefties.

a reply to: DBCowboy

So you've already accepted freedom with conditions. That's not freedom.

The reason people give up freedom is probably similar to the reason you do.

originally posted by: Krahzeef_Ukhar
a reply to: DBCowboy

So you've already accepted freedom with conditions. That's not freedom.

The reason people give up freedom is probably similar to the reason you do.

Lie.

There IS NO FREEDOM TO INFRINGE UPON OTHER INDIVIDUALS.

Unless you're fascist Antifa. Then it appears that their twisted logic justifies it.

a reply to: chr0naut

Before I respond to your points mate, I just want to say I admire how you detailed your opinion. For what it's worth, I always enjoy reading your posts even if I disagree with you.

Just like I think that universal medical care with free psychological support could also help.

We clearly have deeply rooted problems when it comes to mental health here... That said, I haven't been satisfied with the proposals from those who tour universal medical (more distrust with politicians on this one than citizens). That said, I'm open minded on this end of the debate, but my realism hinders me from seeing it as a solution given the current political environment.

You already license cars and drivers because they can be a deadly weapon. Surely gun safety goes hand in hand with registration and a concept of responsible use.

And we still have an overwealming problem with vehicles, one that dwarfs gun violence. I understand we can say more people drive regularly, but people still circumvent that very regulated system in regards to the privladge of vehicle operation.

Oh, and if the movies and TV stopped it with the bias toward the anti-hero, that might help the immature to stop from seeing it as a legitimate expression of 'strength'.

A very nuanced topic, but I lean towards agreement with you.

Too many commit suicide or violence because of their ideation about guns. To change the effects of gun proliferation, change the ideation.

More kill themselves with drugs, but that goes back to the topic of our Healthcare conundrum... Again, nuanced topic.

And, for everyone's sake, guns can be dangerous. You need to have some rules, that everyone knows and agrees upon, about handling them safely.

Never muzzle sweep a human unless its yourself (and only then because of no other option).

Every gun is loaded, even if you checked.

Never point it at something you don't plan to destroy (unless you must violate rule number one to be courtious of others).

Never pull your gun in a conflict unless you plan to use it....and be absolutely sure it's the right thing to do.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
It's a Constitution thing, brah.

So you're willing to give up freedom based on a document made by the people in charge at the time.

People don't want freedom, they want to be told what to do.

a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar


Porkchop?

Read the Constitution before arguing against it.

'Kay?

Because debating with you is like arguing with a pigeon. All you're doing is pooping and not making any sense.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Actually he has a good point. The constitution is a document written by those in charge at that time. Why doesn't the bill of right have 20 rights? 10 as enough because people didn't mind losing another 10 or 20?

a reply to: DBCowboy Not sure what porkchop is supposed to mean.

But you're asking why people entertain the loss of freedom.

Your reason for entertaining loss of freedom seems to be the Constitution.

That's fine. And I agree, but you can't encourage freedom by pointing to the rules.

a reply to: daskakik


SMH

These documents restricted governmental interference on individual rights.

a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar

You don’t understand and I have not the patience to school you.

a reply to: DBCowboy

I know but it is a small set of limits.

Can you drive without a seat belt on, can you grow that certain plant that we can't talk about, can you distill your own whiskey, can you marry as many woman as you can charm?

Chances are you can't and the limits set by the constitution didn't do a damn thing to have those freedoms taken from you, maybe you never cared for them, well maybe a couple, so yeah we can rant in the general spirit of things but you can't point at the documents that "set limits on government" but also had the general populace acquiesce to a bunch of limits as well.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Thanks.

Politics is so much like religion now that we get the same "you just don't understand" response when challenged.