F-19?

a reply to: Bigburgh

Again yall are just basing your final conclusion on assumptions alone.

"Since I believe they wouldn't do this or that, than it must be such and such".
We don't know what they really do or don't do. We assume they follow certain protocols but there's always an exception and mistakes are made often as well. So we don't really know what they'd do or not do since the sky's the limit. Something might be likely or unlikely but that's still not proof of anything. It's conjectural/speculative.

And I disagree with your assessment that the shadows are "out of place". Those other jets are at least 3 or 4 feet higher off the ground because the F-19 is very flat shaped and it's body/wings would be far closer to the ground. The side-view diagrams composed by various artists also indicate that it's a much shorter aircraft in terms of it's vertical height.

The wings of the F-14 are probably 3 feet higher off the ground, so this would hypothetically explain why the shadows are smaller.

So again, we don't know if this is legit or not until a photograph expert can show us with actual evidence how this was faked.

We have zero forensics to work with currently. We need an expert to analyze this scientifically.

a reply to: Bigburgh

The shadows aren’t out of place, the plane is just lower to the ground. If it’s there. If it’s fake it’s really well done.

As far as figuring out if it’s fake using ‘scientific tools’ I’m sure you can find a YouTube video on how to use Photoshop filters or something to look for telltale signs. I’ve never done it before, maybe I’ll give it a shot later.

a reply to: PhantomTwo

According to some diagrams I found the F-14 Tomcat's wings are 6ft 9in from the ground.

I'd bet the F-19's back tailfins maximum height is probably 7ft.

So yeah this thing's gotta be half the height of a F-14 most likely.

a reply to: muzzleflash

There's no way that a top secret aircraft is going to make it to AMARC. It all boils down to that. The supposed F-19, if it existed, would still be classified to this day. If it was going to be stored it would not be in AMARC, and it would not be sitting in the open. The F-117 is in the same type of storage as the aircraft at AMARC, and are kept in climate controlled hangars. The supposed F-19 would see the same type of storage.

You can argue it all you want, but they're not putting classified platforms in the open like that and leaving them there.

a reply to: muzzleflash

For what it’s worth:

Science Stuff

a reply to: Zaphod58

They might have put it there as a mistake or because it really doesn't even matter anymore at this point. This stuff is so old that I can imagine it being irrelevant.

These things could have been unworkable and incapable of flight even, a mere mock-up or something. We simply don't know. All we are working with is conjecture here.

originally posted by: PhantomTwo
a reply to: muzzleflash

For what it’s worth:

Science Stuff

What kind of filter is that?

It doesn't show any differences or anything out of the ordinary in the filtered photo.

Hmmmm

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: muzzleflash
The supposed F-19, if it existed, would still be classified to this day.

That means that you don't know any facts about it, like the rest of us.

Unless of course you do know and are by law forced to withhold or deny them, which I think is unlikely because I don't see why you'd have a 'need to know' anything about this specific aircraft.

We are essentially both bias here and need to recognize that.
We are two sides of the same coin.

And yes there's a point in arguing this because I broke my back and am bored and have absolutely nothing better to do, lol.

a reply to: muzzleflash

I have no clue, they have tutorials on how to use their tools. Haven’t read it yet.

Top right is the only thing that it’s flagging, saw something about Photoshop in the metadata but I don’t know what it really means.

a reply to: muzzleflash

They would have had to make a mistake at every level for it to get there. Mistakes on that scale are extremely rare.

It doesn't matter anymore, so they put them in AMARC, but even the designation is still classified? That's a stretch.

Mockups don't normally go to AMARC either. They are usually destroyed by the company, or go into storage somewhere else. If they proved unflyable they would have destroyed them. There's no reason to store one or two aircraft when you can easily cut them apart and destroy them.

a reply to: PhantomTwo

Thank you.

Yes the Metadata shows Photoshopped.

So therefore it's almost certainly an edited fake.

Just to check I uploaded a pic of my recent gf which I know isn't photoshopped and it did not show photoshop in the metadata.

I guess this is a fake after all - unless some expert comes along and can explain why the metadata is showing it was photoshopped.

Thanks for debunking this PhantomTwo!!

a reply to: Zaphod58

Ok ok ok, lol.
You win but only by unsound logic.

The metadata shows it was photoshopped.

a reply to: muzzleflash

I don't know anything about the F-19, no, because that isn't the designation used. As for knowing things about it, people talk. Even about things they aren't supposed to.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: muzzleflash

I don't know anything about the F-19, no, because that isn't the designation used. As for knowing things about it, people talk. Even about things they aren't supposed to.

Thank you.

Does that mean you're gonna buy me a burger?
Hahaha!

a reply to: Zaphod58

I would guess that it's an X-something.
Or maybe Y-something.

Hmmmm.
I wonder if there's a way to figure this out from my vantage point.

And did you guys know about this:


Apparently that's the real patch.

This article explains the research on it and that the authorities claim it's a "generic design" and specifically not intended to reflect a real aircraft.

But, hypothetically speaking, if it were a real aircraft, this alludes to the role of the aircraft as a spy plane rather than an actual combat aircraft. Which makes sense because I'm not sure where you'd put the ordinance anyways.

So *if* it made it past the experimental / prototype phase it'd probably be designated as R-something.

a reply to: muzzleflash

It’s not an open & shut case. It has a mention of Photoshop in the metadata but it doesn’t return any abnormalities on the analysis. It’s possible Photoshop was simply used to crop or resize. Anyone good at deciphering metadata?

The analysis should show something.

a reply to: muzzleflash

That patch pops up a lot. It's a real patch, but so is the one with a Grey on it that loosely translates as "Tastes Like Chicken".

a reply to: muzzleflash

For admitting that the designation isn't real? There is no F-19. That designation wasn't used.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: muzzleflash

For admitting that the designation isn't real? There is no F-19. That designation wasn't used.

No, you'd only buy me the burger because we're ATS buddies and you "hear people talk about stuff they aren't suppose to talk about" and so you'd just be doing a good deed. *wink wink