Insomnia, anyone else deal with it?

originally posted by: Silure
a reply to: DBCowboy

sleep clinic on the NHS?! That ain't happening anytime soon lmfao! 😂
Nice one though 👍

Then I am so sorry.

I know and live with chronic insomnia.

Booze, melatonin, other drugs, . . . . I've tried them all.

I feel for you.

My wife will put on some headphones and listen to Lina Grace, can find on youtube and I think Spotify has her too. it's like a guided meditation that works *most* of the time to help her get to sleep. We also have to resort to Tylenol PM and Melatonin sometimes but Lina and similar stuff have been great if you are trying to not use any kind of drug/supplement.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Ill try to help you if you want

originally posted by: BlueJacket
a reply to: drewlander

restless leg syndrome is founded in the liver channel. either lifestyle or environmental factors.

Never heard of this. Did a search and i assure you i do not have cirrhosis. Source?

At the time i was taking PPI's which are hard on kidneys, particularly if you are not drinking lots of water. I later found my reflux that i was treating with PPIs was in fact not a result of stress but my allergies causing chronic drainage into my stomach. Started allergy shots and no longer needed reflux med. I still think my insomnia and rls was driven by eating late and not taking in enough water.

a reply to: Silure

There is an at-home sleep study kit called SNAP or something that i recently saw at a clinic i service. Not sure what good it would do if you cannot sleep in the first place tho.

My issues are a bit different, but honestly the two things that work best for me are meditation and reading.

Pretty sure most know how to read.. But meditation is a bit less likely. There are many, many different methods, plenty of which arent particularly great (majority of the most recommended ones..), but it can be exceedingly effective for a lot of different things. Can take longer for results than most are willing to deal with, but there ya go.

a reply to: Silure

Try Holy Basil. I've tried valerian, skullcap, hops, chamomile, passion flower, melatonin, sleeping pills - they helped to some degree but either didn't keep me asleep or helped relax me but didn't get me to sleep. The sleeping pills were addictive and made me so sleepy I could sleep days away.

Holy Basil has been helping me sleep much to my surprise. And it keeps me asleep. I'm starting to think it's a cortisol issue - One marker of stress is elevated levels of the hormone cortisol in the blood. Cortisol is a way the brain signals to the rest of the body that the period requites a stress response. ... This suggests the cause of this sort of insomnia is not a too weak drive to sleep, but a too strong waking instinct – a hyperarousal.
www.tuck.com...

Have you had a high stress life, to the point where you are stuck in fight/flight mode? Holy Basil may help. Good luck!

originally posted by: BlueJacket
a reply to: DBCowboy

Ill try to help you if you want

Bless your heart.

Really.

I've been to specialists, clinics, labs etc.

I have a TBI.

I can sleep 4 -5 hours a night.


It's a fault I've learned to live with.


(This should please many)

Basically, I'm brian damaged.

a reply to: drewlander

its not a clear comparison between liver channel and liver. I work in oriental meds..Im happy to help, if google was the ultimate end...why have doctors?

a reply to: Silure

Sometimes I think you don't want the day to end. You go from one thing you enjoy to another and never want to stop. As far as internet is concerned you have to stop and do nothing for a little while, letting your mind settle down. When its going, delighting in things, internet/media entertainment or whatever else, its stimulated and it doesn't want to wind down. Also the light from the screen tells your mind to stay up. Try an eye mask; a comfortable one that doesn't press against your eyes.

Dim the room before you go to sleep and stop doing stuff. Let your mind go quiet.

Another thing - you have to exert yourself sufficiently in the day. If the day is too easy, you have too much energy.

(SNIP Mod Edit: Removed Personal Use)
Some say CBD oil helps you sleep but not sure about that.

a reply to: DBCowboy

hmmm, what the TBI was, particularly quadrant of which hemisphere would be helpful. Ive done this 30 years...Im rarely right, but heck whats the loss in trying?

I just learned something about insomnia. If you consume even moderate amounts of some Amino acids before going to bed, it can interfere with your ability to sleep. Tyramines are Amino acids with a kick, and I thought that if I just made sure not to eat too much tyramines it would be alright. But I read that basically consuming higher amounts of amino acids like glycine and proline could do the same thing. I actually had a hard time sleeping about a week ago, I had eaten quite a bit of Jello at the time. Gelatine does contain lots of Amino acids. I have to do some more experimenting to verify if the information is pertinent.

I guess they found out about this from people eating collagen shakes and did some testing and evaluating to find out why it was occurring. The article did say they do not completely understand why, just that it does happen a lot. I guess you should not eat your jello or high collagen foods for maybe four hours before going to bed.

I wondered why TMG would keep me up more than coffee did. It makes sense, but I have to do some testing on myself to verify this properly. I wish I knew others who have tested on themselves to find out what bothers them and have researched why it happens.

originally posted by: BlueJacket
a reply to: DBCowboy

hmmm, what the TBI was, particularly quadrant of which hemisphere would be helpful. Ive done this 30 years...Im rarely right, but heck whats the loss in trying?

The damage was in the right hemisphere. Near the back, primarily the occipital node.

a reply to: Silure

Dude, 63 hours is detrimental to your health!

You could try some massive and sustained physical exertion but if nearly everything doesn't work, you should seek medical advice.

Really, you gotta get some rest, for the sake of the people who care about you.

Also, cramps and restless legs can be alleviated by Magnesium tablets. It is a fairly innocuous vitamin. If you take too much, i'll give you the runs but generally no-one would take that much.

Also, sometimes breathing difficulties can be at issue. My breathing was interrupted nearly 90 times per minute, and my blood oxidation was very low, when I was tested at a sleep clinic. Since starting with a CPAP machine, I've been much better rested.

a reply to: DBCowboy

what type of impact...if I may ask. again, feel free to pm

a reply to: DBCowboy

was vision affected?

I've had a skim through all the replies, and thank you, made me smile a few times, totally drifting now though so all good, just wanted to say nice one, will shout back later, can see a big long lay with my head on a pillow right now though, been in touch with someone loved many miles away in a different time zone lol, can fade out I reckon, all feels good in my world of people who share my path, digitally or eye to eye x ❤️

Sleep is way over rated!

I go to bed at 10pm and wake up at about 2:30.

I get the whole sleep deprived thing. I can't even remember the last time I slept well. Well, yes, I actually can...it was right before they neutered Nyquil. The original Nyquil used to be the "Elixir of the Gods!". Now it's just a liver bomb!

All the time and it sucks. Like really, really sucks.

Listening to Bineural Beats has helped me to sleep and get past my bouts of insomnia.

originally posted by: BlueJacket
a reply to: drewlander

its not a clear comparison between liver channel and liver. I work in oriental meds..Im happy to help, if google was the ultimate end...why have doctors?

I figured this when you said "liver channel". Nothing wrong with TCM, but RLS is not linked to a single cause. In fact there are primary and secondary causes with secondary being primarily hereditary neuropathies. And of course google is not my doctor. I write software for healthcare for 15 years now and work somewhat closely with many doctors, including some who are involed with oriental meds and micronutrient testing. Its all very legit if you ask me.