Iran releases video of the seizure of oil tanker Stena Impero

originally posted by: roadgravel

If Iran was truly a horrible evil bogeyman, they would have murdered the 10 US sailors for absolutely no reason.

Iran had to understand killing those men would have made their country into another Iraq type wasteland.

They can keep poking and one day they will slip up and lights out.

At any other time, I would have probably agreed with you.

But if that occurred today and the sailors were killed, Trump would probably order a couple of drone strikes or something on "military installations" to "look tough".

Iran isn't being turned into "a wasteland" anytime soon. The United States isn't quite up to the task of a major war at this point in time.

originally posted by: manuelram16
Me thinks this will not end well for the ayatollas.....they're not dealing with Odumbo.

No, they're dealing with an elderly gentlemen who "called off" a military response because he was a little worried "somebody might die".

a reply to: gortex

Then replace poke with react. A bad decision can mean a bad end for some top leaders there.

a reply to: AnakinWayneII

The United States isn't quite up to the task of a major war at this point in time.

and you know this because of your position at the Pentagon?

I tend to think nothing major is planned but who knows what the future in our world holds.

originally posted by: roadgravel
a reply to: AnakinWayneII

The United States isn't quite up to the task of a major war at this point in time.

and you know this because of your position at the Pentagon?

I tend to think nothing major is planned but who knows what the future in our world holds.

Read my post above.

The elderly gentleman currently snoozing in the Oval Office "doesn't want to hurt anybody". He tweeted so after that recent drone shootdown.

a reply to: AnakinWayneII

And things don't change? I guess that is one way to view life.

A US death toll and no response is probably the only way Trump loses the next election.

a reply to: gortex

They do say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery so I guess Iran were impressed by our boys in action.

Am I the only one that just sees a childish waste of time and money in all this?

a reply to: AnakinWayneII

What exactly did the United States do in 2016 when 10 US sailors were detained? Zilch, that's what.

Trump is a wild card though.

a reply to: AnakinWayneII

The elderly gentleman currently snoozing in the Oval Office "doesn't want to hurt anybody". He tweeted so after that recent drone shootdown.

That's a good thing.

a reply to: gortex

Re: www.foxnews.com...

Why aren't Oil Tanker Crews ARMED with machine guns? It would be entirely within their right to blast the invaders as they exited their helicopter.

Isn't that how ship crews stopped the Somali pirates? By actively DEFENDING THEMSELVES?

a reply to: carewemust

Good question. Something to do with insurance regs or governments not wanting others to have control over their situation? Maybe pirates are Politically Correct now.

This is not the same as when they nabbed the American sailors. They accidentally entered Iranians waters. This is a commercial vessel in international waters. Iran just committed an act of definition piracy.

A couple of things to consider: The sanctions are having a big time effect on Iran. Inflation is getting really bad, Their proxy fighters and support for foreign engagements are out of money, Iran's oil production used to be around 2.4 million barrels a day; it is now around 400,000, why produce when you can not sell ?

Things may be moving slower than some might wish but so far the long term plan is working without loss of life on both sides.

Iran tried blocking the strait back in the late 80s which got the Iranian Navy boats sunk by escort vessels for the tankers. Sink a few and they backed off. That was then and this is now as Iran does have better shore based missiles... But... If the west can hold off a major escalation the sanctions will work... Maybe even the Iranian people will get tired of their fearless leaders and kick their butts to the curb..

So patience as things are moving without a full blown loss of life war.

originally posted by: roadgravel
a reply to: carewemust

Good question. Something to do with insurance regs or governments not wanting others to have control over their situation? Maybe pirates are Politically Correct now.

The world is too reactionary. Waiting for death/disaster before taking action.

The first time a civilian ship's crew is tortured, or murder occurs, all the rules and prohibitions against them being armed, will be relaxed.

a reply to: 727Sky

Are the people/troops of Iran getting worms, from eating food meant for the animals? That's how bad it had to get in North Korea before they stopped their Nuclear push.

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: AnakinWayneII

The elderly gentleman currently snoozing in the Oval Office "doesn't want to hurt anybody". He tweeted so after that recent drone shootdown.

That's a good thing.

People are far too willing to let their fellow citizens and citizens of other nations to die over trivial things in the greater picture.

Armed conflict should be a last option after all others have failed.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: 727Sky

Are the people/troops of Iran getting worms, from eating food meant for the animals? That's how bad it had to get in North Korea before they stopped their Nuclear push.

Communist state directed production never feeds its people only the elite

I do not think so as Iran has always been famous for its well supplied Bazaars .. They were and can be very self sufficient food wise but if it take a basket load of money for a loaf of bread then regardless there are problems..

Dumpster diving is big in Venezuela and the west coast USA was the last I think I saw or read !!! hahahah

originally posted by: AnakinWayneII

originally posted by: roadgravel
a reply to: AnakinWayneII

The United States isn't quite up to the task of a major war at this point in time.

and you know this because of your position at the Pentagon?

I tend to think nothing major is planned but who knows what the future in our world holds.

Read my post above.

The elderly gentleman currently snoozing in the Oval Office "doesn't want to hurt anybody". He tweeted so after that recent drone shootdown.

So...you're calling out POTUS because the US decided that an armed strike on potential PEOPLE isn't equivalent to shooting down an UNMANNED drone? Are 150+ Iranian's lives equal to a downed US drone?

POTUS making that decision coudl have very well prevented any further hostlity

It seems the Stena Impero was not as unprotected as was previously thought with the revelation that radio messages between HMS Montrose and Iranian armed forces has been obtained by the British maritime security firm Dryad Global.

An audio recording has emerged of the radio exchanges between a Royal Navy frigate and Iranian armed forces vessels prior to the seizure of a British-flagged oil tanker in the Persian Gulf.

Crew on board frigate HMS Montrose were told by the Iranian ship that they wanted to inspect the tanker for security reasons.

In the radio recording, obtained by the British maritime security firm Dryad Global, the Iranian vessel can heard be heard telling a ship - thought to be the Stena Impero - to change its course, saying: "If you obey you will be safe."

HMS Montrose identifies itself and tells the Stena Impero: "As you are conducting transit passage in a recognised international strait, under international law your passage must not be impaired, impeded, obstructed or hampered."

The frigate then asks the Iranian vessel to confirm it is not "intending to violate international law" by attempting to board the tanker.

The head of the Ports and Maritime Organisation of Iran in Hormozgan Province said this morning that all of the crew of the Stena Impero were safe.
"All 23 crew members aboard the ship are safe and in good health in Bandar Abbas port," Allahmorad Afifipour said.
www.standard.co.uk...

I guess that answers that question.