Labour Party in Anti-Semitism Row

a reply to: Freeborn

A re-set is good with me. What a bunch of mendacious incompetent puffed up buffoons. The lot of 'em.

Oh....and The Labour Party's Momentum overseen de-selection process is disturbingly Stalinesque.

originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: IkNOwSTuff

Well, I suppose you can lead a horse to water, and all that.

Ok I’ll open the question up to everyone

What was done/said that led to the initial accusations of anti-semitism that the linked article is implying the Labour Party ignored?

Seriously, anyone???

On a side note it appears my phone is also anti-semitic, any other word I type in maybe 3-4 times will be put in my phones dictionary for auto-correct, I must have typed anti-semitism at least 15 times today and it still doesn’t appear???

Anyone using an iPhone wanna check it’s not just a glitch on my end

a reply to: oldcarpy

It was quite an extraordinary episode of Panorama. For me this was the real story: why would the BBC broadcast something so clearly intended to be harmful to the Labour Party; it was biased and unbalanced, and tantamount to propaganda. I've never voted for them in my life and generally dislike socialists of all shades, but this was a watershed moment for the BBC. Bearing in mind Jewish people make up a tiny portion of the UK population (0.5%).

a reply to: IkNOwSTuff

Here's a small part of the problems that have been reported about the labour party.

Antisemitism and labour.

a reply to: BenutzerUnbekannt

Maybe its the conspiracy theorist in me but....

There are rumours that if Jeremy Corbyn was to be elected Prime Minister then the Armed Forces may openly revolt against him.
As incompetent and thoroughly distasteful that the Tories are, maybe its viewed in certain quarters that any Tory government is better than those who control The Labour Party at present.....and maybe the BBC are being used as part of that process.

As far as I can tell its all rotten to the core, the whole system....we need a full system re-boot.

a reply to: BenutzerUnbekannt

For me this was the real story: why would the BBC broadcast something so clearly intended to be harmful to the Labour Party; it was biased and unbalanced, and tantamount to propaganda. 

The BBC doing propaganda and being biased and unbalanced?

Colour me shocked.............

originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: IkNOwSTuff

Here's a small part of the problems that have been reported about the labour party.

Antisemitism and labour.

Thank you very much, that gives the OP some much needed context

So it’s basically like 90% of the other accusations of anti-semitism you hear about, Jews not being able to take any sort criticism and crying foul to anyone who will listen.

It would be lovely to one day see a politician or any public figure for that matter tell them to suck it up and not issue some grovelling, pathetic, insincere apology

a reply to: oldcarpy

Deputy Leader Tom Watson seems to be at loggerheads with Corbyn

When hasn't Watson been at loggerheads with Corbyn , I believe the claims of Anti-Semitism are politically motivated and are being driven by Labour friends of Israel on instruction from afar.

Statement from Jewish voice for Labour.

Any allegation of antisemitism must be taken seriously – and proven cases must be dealt with appropriately. However what is obvious to many in the Labour Party, but not seemingly to Panorama or reporter John Ware, is that many of the alleged instances of antisemitism are not what they seem.

Many are quite evidently statements that members have made about the Israeli state or Zionism, twisted athletically to assert that their criticism is directed at and insulting to Jews. Many are the result of bulk allegations generated on an industrial scale by just a few organisations, prominent among them the Campaign Against Antisemitism, and Labour Against Antisemitism, set up explicitly to undermine the Corbyn leadership and to protect Israel. The new General Secretary Jennie Formby has expanded the numbers of staff and NEC members struggling to catch up with the backlog of accusations that these operations have generated. Panorama mentioned none of this.

This programme has presented a grossly simplified and utterly distorted picture of Labour’s travails with allegations of antisemitism. It is shameful that the BBC has joined in an orchestrated campaign whose principal aim is quite clearly to prevent Jeremy Corbyn becoming Prime Minister of a Labour government committed to socialism.
www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk...

Criticism of a state or ideology is not racist , the Labour party is not Anti-Semitic.

a reply to: oldcarpy

Right I am a person most aligned with Labour though I have often had my disagreement's especially during the Blair years, even though I always saw myself as a Labour man.

Go to Manchester or anywhere really and there will be people of Jewish extraction whom do not even know they are Jewish.

So if the Labour Party does not stop this ROT then even if they gain power at the next election they shall rot from within.

They have literally got to stop the antisemitism (I have no problem with them having a bias against RICH TAX EVADING SCROUNGERS from any community but just because mr Corbyn's constituency is mostly Islamic with a deep seated dislike of Jewish people and use the existence of the state of Israel to condone there hatred does not give him ANY Excuse to ignore the problem).

I like many though find myself between a rock and a hard place, I am never going to vote Tory so will probably be forced to vote Labour nevetheless even if they do not fix this issue though you know I may just go LD when all is said and done and this is the issue that if I do give LD my vote will be the reason (that and I disagree with Corbyn's own anti nuclear stance - I would love to see a nuclear free world but one sane country will never save the world we need our deterrent I am sorry but that is a fact and perhaps the single Issue I actually agree's with thatcher about).

a reply to: oldcarpy

Yes it is unelected people who have their hands on the levers of power. And I’m not talking about the voters.

I watched Panorama. Frankly it's nothing unexpected and a total disgrace. The inability of the Labour Party to deal with this problem makes them totally unfit for government.

It's a world with a lost up its own arse where Labour complain that the fantastically complicated Brexit was not sorted in two years, yet cannot address antisemitism over a longer period. It’s because half the leadership are racists.

a reply to: Freeborn

Yup, agree with all that (and with pavil's post). I'm personally reasonably neutral towards the Beeb - many fond memories of Blackadder and The Young Ones, but recently they seem out of control. Pro-Eu and pro-Israel. I stopped paying the license fee because I'm in Scotland and we can get away with it here (like to see them enforce it in my neighborhood).

I don't doubt there's antisemitism in the Labour Party (ie pro Palestine) but they [Labour] aren't/isn't unique in that sense. As I said, the real story is why the Beeb thought it reasonable to air this hit piece. For me I was shocked, the Beeb are out of control (and stuffed full of MI5 fags).

originally posted by: mekhanics
a reply to: oldcarpy

Why are semetic people are soo fkin special? This is getting fkin old now.

They have powerful lobbyists, or in other words money. I wonder what is considered as anti-Semitism in the labor party?

Some consider simply talking bad about israel as anti-Semitic. Then there is the truely hateful nazi or religious types.

originally posted by: paraphi
I watched Panorama. Frankly it's nothing unexpected and a total disgrace. The inability of the Labour Party to deal with this problem makes them totally unfit for government.

It's a world with a lost up its own arse where Labour complain that the fantastically complicated Brexit was not sorted in two years, yet cannot address antisemitism over a longer period. It’s because half the leadership are racists.

Now hold on just one moment there, you have always been against labour and are merely jumping the bandwagon here now are you not.

Let's just have a quick historical review of Antisemitism in the Conservative party shall we.
en.wikipedia.org...

Milliband would have been our First JEWISH prime minister and he was the leader of the Labour party before Corbyn and nearly won that election, you know the one were five hundred thousand ballot papers got stolen from a G4S van and the Conservatives won by about five hundred thousand Votes - though of course we all know our elections are never rigged or set up now don't we and there was a thorough police investigation that was totally and completely impartial (sarcasm intended).

Before him only Benjamin Disraeli whom it so happened WAS Jewish but had converted to Anglicanism became prime minister but before either of us were even a twinkle in our great grandparent's eye's now was it not.

I put it to you that the CONSERVATIVES are NOT fit to govern this nation, they are divided, self serving old school boy lout's that when they are not bumming there bat boy's down the back corridors (the dark corridors of power) they are fiddling there secretary's or some poor kid from a children's home (sorry but I definitely believe those claim's to be true) and thinking of way's to cheat the people of this nation to make themselves richer.

Dear God if only I had a penny for every one, the truth is that NON of our current politician's are fit for the role they are in - regardless of the party EXCEPT the back benchers of both party's.

originally posted by: LABTECH767
Now hold on just one moment there, you have always been against labour and are merely jumping the bandwagon here now are you not.

You should not presume to know anything about my political leanings. Stick to the topic in hand. Historic anitsemitism in the Conservative Party does not compare to the problem in the Labour Party today.

Whether you believe Panorama or not, the fact remains that over the last (say) three years there has been a steady exposure of antisemitism throughout the Labour Party and the leadership have not been able, or have been unwilling to, stamp it out. This includes exposure of acts of antisemitism from Corbyn himself, albeit historic.

Anyway, it's not all Panorama and some contrived conspiracy (possibly a Zionist conspiracy, eh?) to discredit Labour. MPs and Peers have resigned from Labour in the last year citing antisemitism as rife.

originally posted by: oldcarpy

Why don't you read the BBC report and find out?

And the BBC is a notably unbiased source?

a reply to: eletheia

Well, the BBC is full of lefties so what was your point?

These whistleblowers have said what they said, that needs to be addressed.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: BenutzerUnbekannt

Maybe its the conspiracy theorist in me but....

There are rumours that if Jeremy Corbyn was to be elected Prime Minister then the Armed Forces may openly revolt against him.

Im not sure about that, the UK and the Armed Forces are not even remotely political, the division between the two (Armed Forces / Government) is completely ingrained and a Coup DeEtat is impossible, the Armed forces are not, by any stretch of the imagination, capable or willing to remove democracy.

Milliband would have been our First JEWISH prime minister and he was the leader of the Labour party before Corbyn and nearly won that election,

Wasn't he famously filmed trying to eat a bacon sandwich?

www.indy100.com...

I agree about back benchers.

Frank Field, for instance. I may have disagreed with a lot of his views but you had to respect him. Look what happened to him - that was truly shameful:

en.wikipedia.org...(British_politician)

In August 2018, he resigned the Labour whip citing anti-semitism in the party, whilst also citing a "culture of intolerance, nastiness and intimidation" in local parties.[2] Field lost a confidence vote in his constituency party a month before his resignation, after siding with the government in Brexit votes.