Labour Party in Anti-Semitism Row

Looks like civil war is erupting in the Labour Party over this:

www.bbc.co.uk...

Deputy Leader Tom Watson seems to be at loggerheads with Corbyn and the General Secretary of the party over this and the gloves are off:

Labour has insisted the claims made in Wednesday's Panorama were inaccurate. They denied any interference and said the former staff who had spoken to the programme were "disaffected". Shadow chancellor John McDonnell said the "serious charges" were being "hotly contested", and the process of dealing with complaints in the party had been "improved dramatically". But Mr Watson said he "deplored the statement made" by the party and to dismiss the testimony of the staff - some of whom had signed non-disclosure agreements (NDAs) when they left - was "wrong". Three Labour MPs - Ruth Smeeth, Margaret Hodge and Louise Ellman - have written to Mr Corbyn, saying there was "no justifiable reason for your continuing failure to act". They added: "The ongoing inaction and tolerance of anti-Semitism has made a mockery of the party's core values of anti-racism and promoting equality. By ignoring this issue, you are turning a blind eye to anti-Jewish racism in the party".

This comes after a BBC Panorama programme yesterday showed party members voicing their direct experience of anti-semitism and how people close to Corbyn interfered in disciplinary processes etc., despite the Labour Party gagging them with NDA's. The Party now seems to respond by attacking these whistle blowers rather than dealing with what is clearly an institutional problem.

Personally, I find it quite astonishing that the Labour Party relies on NDA's in this way.. It's the height of hypocrisy.

It seems clear that the party has a real problem here.

The knives are out for Corbyn and his cronies, it seems. My view is that Corbyn is not in control, his cronies are, and that Labour is fast becoming the nasty party. It is like the days of the Militant Tendency never went away.

We need an effective Opposition but these people are dragging it down into the gutter.

a reply to: oldcarpy

From the outside looking in, UK politics is a mess......and that's coming from someone in the U.S.

No one seems in charge. Instead of a revote on Brexit, you should throw them all out and start with new blood.

a reply to: oldcarpy

Why are semetic people are soo fkin special? This is getting fkin old now.

a reply to: pavil

I 100% agree with you.

a reply to: mekhanics

You, not so much.

I love all these pro-remain, pro-zionist blairites leaving the party. Should make the party better overall. Let them go.

originally posted by: mekhanics
a reply to: oldcarpy

Why are semetic people are soo fkin special? This is getting fkin old now.

It does seem like being racist is the worst possible thing in the world nowadays doesn’t it.

The English tptb even knowingly let groups of Muslim men pimp and rape literally thousands of young English girls to avoid being thought of as racist.

In this particular case I’m a bit out of the loop, was the anti semitism someone saying we should gas the Jews or was it someone merely highlighting facts about some people of Jewish descent that Jewish people prefer aren’t highlighted?

It’s interesting how protected Jews are nowadays, did you all hear about Epsteins Wikipedia page, it not only removed references to his ties to certain political figures (and made sure to leave 1 in particular on there) but it also changed the part about his parentage.
It went from “born to Jewish parents” to “born to white parents” and has now been blocked for further change.

Things that make you go hmmmmmmm

Politics is a bad career choice if you cannot handle criticism. Scream the loudest and longest does not add much to effective communication. Trying to discuss an issue when certain related topics are taboo reduces situational awareness and impedes conflict resolution.

a reply to: Ohanka

Yes, lets have a purge of people who hold opposing views. I think that happened a few times in the past and did not turn out too well.

a reply to: IkNOwSTuff

In this particular case I’m a bit out of the loop, was the anti semitism someone saying we should gas the Jews or was it someone merely highlighting facts about some people of Jewish descent that Jewish people prefer aren’t highlighted?

Why don't you read the BBC report and find out?

originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: IkNOwSTuff

In this particular case I’m a bit out of the loop, was the anti semitism someone saying we should gas the Jews or was it someone merely highlighting facts about some people of Jewish descent that Jewish people prefer aren’t highlighted?

Why don't you read the BBC report and find out?

Read your linked article and it gave no details other than that accusations of anti-semitism have been denied.
How about you read your own article and highlight it for me?

Or if it’s easier for you you can just reply with some flippant smart Alec 1 liner implying I’m lazy or an idiot, oh wait you’ve already done that

originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: Ohanka

Yes, lets have a purge of people who hold opposing views. I think that happened a few times in the past and did not turn out too well.

If they don't believe in the policies of the labour party as set by it's leadership, they are more than welcome to join another party that fits their beliefs, such as the Independent Group, which is fanatically dedicated to Pro-EU, Pro-Israel and Pro-Blarite policies.

a reply to: IkNOwSTuff

Or if it’s easier for you you can just reply with some flippant smart Alec 1 liner implying I’m lazy or an idiot, oh wait you’ve already done that

You get all that from?:

Why don't you read the BBC report and find out?

If you had read it you would have found this which explained exactly what it was all about:

ight former officials who worked in the team and dealt with anti-Semitism cases claimed to the BBC that: The leader's office was "angry and obstructive" when it came to the issue Officials brought in by the party's general secretary, Jennie Formby, "overruled" some of their disciplinary decisions and "downgraded" punishments to a "slap on the wrist" Seumas Milne, one of Mr Corbyn's closest aides, laughed when advised by a long-serving party official about what Mr Corbyn should do to tackle anti-Semitism in the party On one occasion, Mr Corbyn's office ordered batches of anti-Semitism complaints to be brought to his Commons office for processing by his aides Labour has rejected claims of interference and described the programme as "seriously inaccurate" and "politically one-sided".

But you didn't. So there you are, spoon fed for you.

a reply to: Ohanka

And if Corbyn and his cronies do not like the long established policies and principles of the Labour Party perhaps they can start up their own communist type party rather than try to hijack and purge the Labour party of anyone who dares to dissent?

originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: IkNOwSTuff

Or if it’s easier for you you can just reply with some flippant smart Alec 1 liner implying I’m lazy or an idiot, oh wait you’ve already done that

You get all that from?:

Why don't you read the BBC report and find out?

If you had read it you would have found this which explained exactly what it was all about:

ight former officials who worked in the team and dealt with anti-Semitism cases claimed to the BBC that: The leader's office was "angry and obstructive" when it came to the issue Officials brought in by the party's general secretary, Jennie Formby, "overruled" some of their disciplinary decisions and "downgraded" punishments to a "slap on the wrist" Seumas Milne, one of Mr Corbyn's closest aides, laughed when advised by a long-serving party official about what Mr Corbyn should do to tackle anti-Semitism in the party On one occasion, Mr Corbyn's office ordered batches of anti-Semitism complaints to be brought to his Commons office for processing by his aides Labour has rejected claims of interference and described the programme as "seriously inaccurate" and "politically one-sided".

But you didn't. So there you are, spoon fed for you.

Huh?

That’s about as clear as mud

So they were anti-Semitic for not looking into allegations of anti-semitism???

What were the justifications for the initial accusations of the anti-semitism that they didn’t investigate?

By the logic being used here I could be accused of anti-semitism for not acknowledging they are anti-semitic

originally posted by: mekhanics
a reply to: oldcarpy

Why are semetic people are soo fkin special? This is getting fkin old now.

I know lets put them in "special" camps away from all the other people...…..(sarcasism)

a reply to: IkNOwSTuff

Well, I suppose you can lead a horse to water, and all that.

a reply to: oldcarpy

Not posted much today, been a bit pre-occupied with the cricket.

Just more proof that the party political system is rancid and no longer fit for purpose.

Time for urgent and radical reform of our electoral and parliamentary systems.

I'm not one for reading The Sun but there was an article in it yesterday that so perfectly explains some of what is wrong with The Labour Party at present.

This week Labour has dramatically shown where its priorities lie — not with the traditional working class, but with the sneering elitists of the affluent, pro-EU middle class.

www.thesun.co.uk...

Labour puts the interests of minorities before the interests of their traditional core vote.

As for the anti-Semitism; people may think I'm talking #e - not an infrequent point of view - but the fact is Labour relies on the Muslim vote in many constituencies.
In some of these communities people vote in accordance with the local Imam's instructions....this tends to be for Labour.

Anything construed as pro-Israeli - and by extension pro-Jewish - could jeopardise that block vote.

And what can we expect when the party leader openly and repeatedly expresses support for groups like Hamas?

a reply to: oldcarpy

I loved how some party members were saying we don't get people to sign NDA's after gaging people with NDA's!
Corbyn seems to have lost the plot, maybe supporting hamas has finally drove him mad, and he's seeing Jews every where?

a reply to: Kurokage

I think it is unelected people like Milne who have their hands on the levers of power. I do think that Corbyn has lost the plot but I do wonder if he ever really could follow it in the first place.