The Case Against Playing in the Evolution Court.

a reply to: Grimpachi

Well Grim
Show me the empirical evidence

How does it look now

“Evolution is not a true scientific theory” is different to “not a scientific theory” and I agree, evolution is not a true scientific theory, it’s being labeled as something it’s not

You would have to understand what a scientific theory (layman term) really is as opposed to what a true scientific theory is and you don’t clearly

Just trying to bully your opinion because you have no scientific evidence to produce, nothing to prove evolution

a reply to: Raggedyman

Oh please, you are not asking for evidence you are here to troll for your deity whatever deity you believe in. I don't care if it is jesus, budah, allah, or one other billions of Hindu gods or even the dead gods like zeus.

Your spiel about what a scientific theory is, hilarious. Were you trying to differentiate between a scientific theory and hypothesis because you look dumb talking about scientific theory (layman term)?

And bully? Are you a child? The only opinion I offer is that those of you trolling for your deities are absolutely pathetic. You come off as afraid, petulant, and ignorant. The world at large isn't going to change because you guys troll some website and ignore all the evidence presented to you.

So go ahead and keep trolling for your deity making claims like the theory of evolution isn't a scientific theory. It won't change anything nor do I think there is anyone on here dumb enough to buy into it. But, please keep it up because sometimes you guys make me laugh.

a reply to: edmc^2

I'm not clever or arrogant enough to think I have all the answers.

All I know is that The Theory of Evolution is the by far the best explanation I've read or heard.
There may be a few holes in the theory....that's because we don't know everything.
But I have never, ever seen anything resembling scientific evidence to support creationism or intelligent design.

I have absolutely no idea what sparked the universe into existence or life on earth....but the best explanation we have currently as to how life developed after that initial spark is evolution.

It seems a damn sight more convincing than theories that dinosaur fossils etc are merely tests that 'God' put there to test our faith.
Or that some omniscicent, omnipotent 'being' created everything on some sort of self-indulgent whim and has since just sat back and watched the chaos that has ensued.

There is no evidence whatsoever to support any of the alternatives to evolution other than supposition and guess work usually dictated to by man made religious dogmatic creed of one sort or another.

a reply to: edmc^2

No. I don't agree. Either you reference real science, engage in real science, work with real evidence or you're dead in the H2O.

Political, cultural, religious opinions are irrelevant. That's why we have the scientific method. You, quite obviously, don't adhere to that method because it doesn't allow personal opinions to influence the data.

It doesn't matter whether the discussion is about evolution, dark matter, cancer or the heartbreak of psoriasis. The process is the same. If science followed your model we wouldn't have flushing toilets. Think about it.

If you want to discuss a topic in science, you have to be prepared to discuss the hypothesis, the methodology, the data and the results. If you can't do that, then you have no business discussing it at all unless you're in a like-minded group who thinks they know more than the scientists who actually do the work.

a reply to: Grimpachi

Well Grim
Show me the empirical evidence

How does it look now

“Evolution is not a true scientific theory” is different to “not a scientific theory” and I agree, evolution is not a true scientific theory, it’s being labeled as something it’s not

You would have to understand what a scientific theory (layman term) really is as opposed to what a true scientific theory is and you don’t clearly

Just trying to bully your opinion because you have no scientific evidence to produce, nothing to prove evolution

originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: Raggedyman

Oh please, you are not asking for evidence you are here to troll for your deity whatever deity you believe in. I don't care if it is jesus, budah, allah, or one other billions of Hindu gods or even the dead gods like zeus.

Your spiel about what a scientific theory is, hilarious. Were you trying to differentiate between a scientific theory and hypothesis because you look dumb talking about scientific theory (layman term)?

And bully? Are you a child? The only opinion I offer is that those of you trolling for your deities are absolutely pathetic. You come off as afraid, petulant, and ignorant. The world at large isn't going to change because you guys troll some website and ignore all the evidence presented to you.

So go ahead and keep trolling for your deity making claims like the theory of evolution isn't a scientific theory. It won't change anything nor do I think there is anyone on here dumb enough to buy into it. But, please keep it up because sometimes you guys make me laugh.

Oh pulease, see what I did there, acted like a drama queen

I don’t need creation to be a christian, plenty of Christians accept evolution

Why don’t you man up, like a man and show me empirical evidence, show me the science that proves evolution, show me that you are more than an irrelevant opinion trying to act smart when all you can do is throw dispersions irrelevant to the conversation

I will go ahead and and ask for scientific evidence, I won’t stop, not till I have seen anything relevant or enough to satisfy my questions

around here you are a lightweight, insignificant, in my opinion.
You offered nothing scientific at all, dismissed

a reply to: Raggedyman

That’s good stuff... maybe he will understand if you repeat yourself
he’s kinda thick rambling on about God and God’s none of which he believes in to back up his faith like that’s his empirical evidence of course that does nothing to prove evolution others rambling on about how it’s the best guess science can provide is far more accurate because, what that actually says is we don’t know but we like the sounds of that... And that is all the theory of evolution is a bunch of guess work that keeps collapsing on itself spawning the newest latest best guess to keep the faith alive...
It’s all true because these scientists guess it’s their best guess... Now that’s funny!

a reply to: Raggedyman

Thanks, I needed a laugh.

Like I said before you don't want scientific evidence. You are here to troll for your deity.

I have seen the many, many threads here that have explained the scientific evidence to you. You always dismiss it out of hand. Maybe you are just not smart enough to understand and I am not patient enough to teach dumb people so I will not be showing you any evidence.

originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: Raggedyman

Thanks, I needed a laugh.

Like I said before you don't want scientific evidence. You are here to troll for your deity.

I have seen the many, many threads here that have explained the scientific evidence to you. You always dismiss it out of hand. Maybe you are just not smart enough to understand and I am not patient enough to teach dumb people so I will not be showing you any evidence.

Stop with the opinion and get the empirical evidence, do you know what that means, what empirical evidence is?

I can parrot this line forever and ever

Show me the empirical evidence, it’s easy for you seemingly, just do it, just get it
End it

Not scientific theory but EMPIRICAL evidence, do you know what that is?
Get it, end it

originally posted by: 5StarOracle
a reply to: Raggedyman

That’s good stuff... maybe he will understand if you repeat yourself
he’s kinda thick rambling on about God and God’s none of which he believes in to back up his faith like that’s his empirical evidence of course that does nothing to prove evolution others rambling on about how it’s the best guess science can provide is far more accurate because, what that actually says is we don’t know but we like the sounds of that... And that is all the theory of evolution is a bunch of guess work that keeps collapsing on itself spawning the newest latest best guess to keep the faith alive...
It’s all true because these scientists guess it’s their best guess... Now that’s funny!

Well in their defence, I don’t see people who believe in evolution as enemies, I once believed it.
It’s the best option outside of a supernatural cause

That supernatural cause is pretty hard to believe

Just disappointing that so many believe evolution is a settled science when it really is not, more a faith

As Christians we don’t need to push creation, it is a little hard to believe, what we need to do is push science into proving or disproving evolution

a reply to: Raggedyman

If you wanted evidence and if you wanted a debate you would have taken Woodcarver up on the offer. He tried with you lot he offered to go through it with you all in this very thread.

You didn't and by that, you all demonstrated that you are just here to troll. None of you could even demonstrate a high school understanding of biology. Yell and rant all you want about empirical evidence. From what you have demonstrated of your scientific knowledge it is doubtful you even know what that means.

You are here to troll for your deity and that's all.

a reply to: Raggedyman

I don’t see anybody as my enemy I don’t hate anybody...
As far as believing supernatural means being needed for origins to me it’s not hard to believe at all because that’s exactly what would be required to create from nothing... The first law of thermodynamics is rather insightful for determining that is exactly what would be required. Now to say I can comprehend the intelligence or capabilities of God and provide scientific evidence to prove it would be a bold face lie. I’m ok with saying that science is incapable of defining God or proving his existence. It can’t even establish evolution as factual let alone God. Now although I don’t see anyone as my enemy I can say I have a hate for the absolute lie that evolution could ever replace the need for creation or a creator.
One thing is certain evolution is in absolutely no way responsible for origins it could never be seen as creating or responsible for creation. It would always need something to start off with. It’s a lot like the old joke where the devil learns how to create a man and goes to God bragging about how he is now his equal, and God laughs and says ok Satan give it your best shot let’s see what you got. So the devil with a determined look on his face bends down and picks up some dirt. Then Gods voice booms No! And the devil craps his pants a little as God continues to tell him make your own dirt...
Here’s some more logic evolution is just like that it needs creation but creation does not require evolution at all yet at the same time even if it’s ever proven to be an undeniable fact. The same will remain true and creation would have then allowed for it... Evolution and Creation two diff things but only one could ever trump the other... That’s rather revealing...

a reply to: 5StarOracle


Can we test genetic inheritance?
Can we test DNA similarity between species, and plot the resulting percentages?
Can we date geological layers?
Can we find fossils in those geological layers that correspond to geological time scales?
Can we geo-locate those fossils and create maps of species distribution at varying geological time scales?
Can we correlate those maps together to understand the movements, extinction and emergence of different species?
Can we see variance from generation to generation within species?
Can we test how environmental factors effect those variances?
Can we see significant build-ups of changes in a species line over long periods of time?
Can we etc... etc... etc...

The answer is a definitive yes to all of these and more, in other words science.

So what field of research do you suggest these (and other) similar questions and lines of inquiry fall under, if not evolution?

originally posted by: TerryDon79
a reply to: edmc^2

Wow you creationists whine a lot.

“Boohoo! I can’t prove my god is real, so I’m going to cry foul. Those nasty scientists are all out to get us. Boohoo!”

And no, I don’t agree with that half-arsed list you quickly put together because you can’t prove your god is real.

And don’t worry, I won’t be replying again. You can have you little hissy fit.

So you see the evolution theory is just a case against God by the delusional.

a reply to: puzzlesphere

Can any of those things provide sufficient succinct results to remove all doubt or go beyond what it is suggested to represent?
Can it?
In case you don’t know the answer is no...
All of your broad strokes to illustrate do fall under what is suggested to represent evidence for evolution, but all of those things fail to paint the whole picture...
It’s ok I know you don’t get it...

a reply to: puzzlesphere

Be certain God doesn't exist next time you reply.

a reply to: Out6of9Balance

Just as certain as you, just honest about it.

a reply to: puzzlesphere

What's that about?

Nevermind.

originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: Raggedyman

If you wanted evidence and if you wanted a debate you would have taken Woodcarver up on the offer. He tried with you lot he offered to go through it with you all in this very thread.

You didn't and by that, you all demonstrated that you are just here to troll. None of you could even demonstrate a high school understanding of biology. Yell and rant all you want about empirical evidence. From what you have demonstrated of your scientific knowledge it is doubtful you even know what that means.

You are here to troll for your deity and that's all.

Woodie wouldn’t know his toe from his finger
I asked for empirical evidence, you have offered nothing now run along

Relying on woodies argument because you don’t have an argument, that’s pathetic really pathetic, more pathetic than woodies


I didn’t come here to debate, I asked for empirical evidence for evolution, you just talk and offer nothing

a reply to: 5StarOracle

You are right and I hope didn’t imply anything that negates your position, just that I can understand the atheistic position
I disagree with evolution, just understand why they believe what they believe as opposed to creation

As I stated I know christians who accept evolution and they are sincere christians so I can’t condemn my brothers and sisters in Christ, love