Trying to resolve 9/11

a reply to: Jesushere

Yep, a very official stone to throw there.

originally posted by: kwakakev
a reply to: Jesushere

Yep, a very official stone to throw there.

Bin Laden never came out and said I trained 19 guys to fly planes on 9/11 at camps in Afghanistan. There very little info about the 19.

The media has never gone to everyone home and asked did your son do this. These men grew up somewhere and had friends, but all we have is a few accounts of Atta and Ziah Jarrah early life. You would think the media would want to know everything about the 19.

15 are Saudis so it would not take long to find where they lived.

I suspicious about the 19 and there real motivations

a reply to: kwakakev



There is no contradiction.

Again. Dust from collapse is expected




In relative terms, not much concrete was used in the towers.

The towers were something like 95 percent open space.

The concrete used was lightweight and would have been easily smashed by the falling steel line coal in a rod mill.

The WTC minimized concrete usage. There is no unexplained missing concrete.

Concrete dust is not evidence of cut columns. Especially if you are claiming cutting charges like thermite.

You just don’t get how much BS the concrete dust argument is. It’s utterly ridiculous.

Now. Do you have evidence of cut columns. Specially since large portions of columns remained standing for serval seconds after the floor system collapse.

a reply to: Jesushere

Bush and cronies made sure after 9/11 nobody in the media would investigate 9/11 and even stifled the 9/11 commission investigation.

How is that possible?
Did they stifle Woodward and Bernstein?
How can you conceive a plan that would stifle unknown people decades into the future?
Do you make them cross their heart and swear pinky fingers?

You do accept that any reporter who could blow the lid off of 911 could write his own ticket for life?
That's a powerful incentive to do just that.

a reply to: Jesushere

Bin Laden is just the patsy. With Afghanistan, the opium trade was an issue as the Taliban where winding down production. This drug situation is just a mess as the rest of it. Many people going without pain medication while the black market makes a fortune.

originally posted by: samkent
a reply to: Jesushere

Bush and cronies made sure after 9/11 nobody in the media would investigate 9/11 and even stifled the 9/11 commission investigation.

How is that possible?
Did they stifle Woodward and Bernstein?
How can you conceive a plan that would stifle unknown people decades into the future?
Do you make them cross their heart and swear pinky fingers?

You do accept that any reporter who could blow the lid off of 911 could write his own ticket for life?
That's a powerful incentive to do just that.

When you work in secret you are protected under the national security act. It is known some of the people involved in 9/11 events on the day and later through the investigation did not testify and were protected and if the testimony was given it was in secret, behind a closed door, the information given there was not disclosed to the public. The public received the sanitised report about 9/11..

Leaks have happened and they're not mind-blowing. The official media is a spokesperson for the status quo establishment. The fell in line for Iraqi War in 2003 and bought into the official narrative Iraq had WMD.

You were considered an enemy of the state, if you stepped outside the official narrative. Bush introduced the patriot act and this made it very risky for journalists to look into 9/11.

a reply to: neutronflux

You just don’t get how much BS the concrete dust argument is. It’s utterly ridiculous.

If it was not for the matter that this is a very serious issue that is #'ing the rest of the world, I do agree.

originally posted by: kwakakev
a reply to: neutronflux

You just don’t get how much BS the concrete dust argument is. It’s utterly ridiculous.

If it was not for the matter that this is a very serious issue that is #'ing the rest of the world, I do agree.

You have what, 20 stories falling into the burning building below from buckling. Why wouldn’t there be dust and smoke pushed out?

Below, pictures of WTC 2 collapse initiation from inward bowing to buckling with no evidence of explosions

a reply to: kwakakev

Now. Do you have evidence of cut columns. Or just total lake of understand dust is not evidence of cut columns.

a reply to: kwakakev

Your strongest case for columns cut by thermite is a building full of drywall made dust? Ok?

Do you have evidence of cut columns?

originally posted by: kwakakev
a reply to: Jesushere

Bin Laden is just the patsy. With Afghanistan, the opium trade was an issue as the Taliban where winding down production. This drug situation is just a mess as the rest of it. Many people going without pain medication while the black market makes a fortune.

Bin Laden is a mysterious character. I suspicious when there family links between two rich geopolitical families, the Bushes and Bin Laden family.

Very strange it's Bin Laden co-creates the boogeymen in the region and starts declaring war on the United States using a newly formed group called Al Qaeda.

Al Qaeda is real, but I suspect the whole story about their creation is hidden. CIA protecting them and allowing a successful attack to go down on 9/11, is very suspicious. Breaking through the wall of secrecy is next to impossible if the CIA wants to keep it all secret, they will.

a reply to: neutronflux

Do you have evidence of cut columns.

Evidence no? Ridiculous yes?

a reply to: Jesushere

There is a long history between the Bushes and Saudi Arabia with the oil trade. Defiantly has a lot of background. The CIA and Al Qaeda have a long history too, part of the picture.

originally posted by: kwakakev
a reply to: neutronflux

Do you have evidence of cut columns.

Evidence no? Ridiculous yes?

You posting random pictures with no context.

And you forgot this post already?

post=24452754]Pilgrum[/post]
a reply to: kwakakev

That's not evidence of cutting (the pile of steel pieces all about the same length). That's how it was delivered to construct the buildings (IE in convenient truck-sized pieces). It was lifted into position where it was welded/bolted together and those joints failed during the collapse rather than the steel sections themselves. There's a reasonable case there for claims of sub-standard construction but we never hear anything along those lines for some reason.

Here's a couple of those 'sticks' which were core column sections and the weld that failed is visible. The column sections are remarkably unscathed otherwise.

So you are using columns who’s welds broke, using an overhead view with no detail as false evidence of cut columns. You fit in well with the charlatans of the truth movement.

a reply to: neutronflux

Evidence no? = false evidence

Ridiculous yes? = charlatans

I think we have a case of sad clown disease. The symptoms appear to be confusion, irrationality and forgetfulness. It is a consequence of having a whole library of irrational thought and literature instilled into their minds over a generation. Bad news, we have a whole culture like this. Good news, it can be changed. It will take time, support and openness. One thing that has been shown is just how flexible these brains can be.

Nice photo of the steel beams. They do have a clean cut to them. Wonder what done that?

a reply to: kwakakev

Form the person who uses proven Richard Gage falsehoods and fraudulent thermite studies? Claimed the WTC pile was hot for three months because of thermite.

Nice photo of the steel beams. They do have a clean cut to them. Wonder what done that?

Do you read anything?

post=24452754]Pilgrum[/post]
a reply to: kwakakev
Here's a couple of those 'sticks' which were core column sections and the weld that failed is visible

If the failures where from explosives, the metal would look “washed / eroded” and have “knifed” edges.

If it was thermite, the metal would have melted jagged cuts covered with slag.

a reply to: neutronflux

NIST has some nice photos of the jagged metal in its earlier reports. Think they got taken out as did not fit the rest of their presentation.

originally posted by: kwakakev
a reply to: neutronflux

NIST has some nice photos of the jagged metal in its earlier reports. Think they got taken out as did not fit the rest of their presentation.

Then post the pictures. Or cite a source with the pictures.

a reply to: kwakakev

What about actual columns.

a reply to: neutronflux

I did find one photo but it is in a pdf file on page 7 link

With part of all these problems, you have established a strong connection between the evidence and ridiculous. It is why you feel stuck in the mud on this. Being aware of this connection will help you combat it. I know you have a very strong, analytical and logical mind in there.