Trying to resolve 9/11

a reply to: WhatItIs

There is a reason people hate the truth movement. Not because they can’t handle the truth. It’s because often the truth movement is the con.

There is also a reason that people hate the official story as well. So full of inconsistency, unanswered questions and conflicts of interest that any discerning review can see that things don't add up.

So we are all left to bounce around in the dark and try to make sense of what information is around in this psychological battle space. Finding the truth is not easy, it takes a lot of work that is surrounded by uncertainty and highly charged political positions.

There are a lot of dead ends and inaccurate theories when one realizes the the official story does not have the truth and integrity one expects from a civilized government. Part of it is people doing the best they can with what limited resources they have. Part of it is also intentional to help cloud and confuse what really happened that day.

When starting to make any sense of a day that most people hate, starting with the most obvious and solid facts around the case is a good start. For me that is watching WTC7 fall the way it did. There is only one answer that makes sense in how a building like this could fall into it's own foot print in the time it did. Controlled Demolition.

As for what implications arise from this conclusion, war has been a very nasty culture for a very long time.

a reply to: firerescue

This is the truth not your conspiracy fantasy .........

People can lie, buildings cannot.



If you happen to think the rules of physics and structural engineering took a day off, that's on you.

If you still have to live in this town where things went the way it did, keeping your head down about events does have its advantages. But as for what this unrestrained and savage war machine is doing is becoming more sickly for everyone with covid going the way it has. The DoD has a big part to play in the rollout.

I support and respect what it means to fight for ones nation and a better way of life. It is when we can no longer be honest about just what exactly it is we are fighting my hope fades in this being the right decision.

originally posted by: kwakakev
a reply to: WhatItIs



There is also a reason

No. The issue are people in the truth movement post things like this…

originally posted by: kwakakev
RARELY SEEN WTC7 FOUND FOOTAGE

A short video that has a close up of WTC7 as the internal charges are set off as the building starts its collapse.

A obvious truth movement hoax video

Then they look stupid for using a hoax as evidence in their propaganda.

Double post

a reply to: kwakakev

So what does this have to do with WTC 7, except for your personal paranoia

What rules of physics or structural engineering were violated ?

The part about 3 story bulge in the SW corner and fact that building was moving out of plumb should tell you that the structure was unstable

Explain how one goes about placing explosives in a burning building in matter of hours, it normally takes months of prep work followed by weeks laying explosives

Especially when the whole world is watching

Personally know many of the people at the WTC complex that day who gave me complete rundown of the activities taken by FDNY

a reply to: WhatItIs

What comes across as stupid from here is the belief that structural steel cannot withstand the temperatures of a general office fire.

When looking at the damage sustained to the other buildings closer to the twin towers, some of them got hit hard by the falling debris and sustained a lot of damage. With the parts of those buildings that did not get a big direct hit, they still stood strong after all the dust settled. This is due to the strength of structural steel.

As for how a building like WTC7 will fall the way it did does require taking out all of its structural support beams at the same time.

It is stupid to think that a government will not turn against its population. The history books have many examples of this happening in the past.

a reply to: kwakakev

No. The argument is the damaged building on a site it was known the WTC buildings had crappy fire insulation under when hours of fires with no response that resulted in thermal stress that cause mechanical failure, like what was seen I think in WTC 1 where a few floors failed from thermal stress.

Steel structure are very susceptible to fire related failures.

I believe the other buildings near the WTC that survive were a mixed construction of steel and concrete for their cores. They were not total steel building built cheap, light, and fast as possible.


With you providing only truth movement propaganda. And no explanation how wires and electronics would survive hours of wide spread fires to keep the integrity to actuate a floor by floor system of explosives with no evidence such a system was installed. Hours and hours of drilling and punching holes to run miles of wire and drilling to anchor large groups ox explosives where rental floor space was a premium cost and resultant profit.

I believe the other buildings near the WTC that survive were a mixed construction of steel and concrete for their cores. They were not total steel building built cheap, light, and fast as possible.

a reply to: WhatItIs

Contrast WTC construction with 90 West St, built in 1907, it was designed by famed architect Cass Gilbert

Steel in here was surrounded by 6 inches of terra cotta masonry, floors was terra cotta flat arch

Struck by debris from WTC 2 (South Tower) collapse and set on fire it burned for 2 days When inspectors entered building
found it gutted by fires but remarkable little structural damage Building was renovated

The building was severely damaged in the September 11 attacks in 2001, when the South Tower of the World Trade Center collapsed 300 feet (91 m) to the north. Scaffolding, which had been erected on the facade for renovation work, failed to prevent debris from falling onto the building. Debris tore a number of large gashes in its northern facade, including one gap between the third and 11th floors. Two office workers were killed when they were trapped in an elevator by falling debris. Several remains of 9/11 victims landed on the northern scaffolding and were not retrieved until 2003.

A firestorm continued for several days; the interior light court functioned as a chimney, causing further damage to the interior. The West Street Building's heavy building materials and extensive use of terracotta may have helped serve as fireproofing and protected it from further damage and collapse. This contrasted with the more modern skyscraper at 7 World Trade Center, which suffered similar damage and collapsed on the afternoon of September 11. Nevertheless, falling steel from the World Trade Center resulted in the destruction of the ground-floor Morton's The Steakhouse franchise. Following the attacks, a large American flag was flown outside the West Street Building, which became a "symbol of hope" for 9/11 rescuers.

a reply to: WhatItIs

And no explanation how wires and electronics would survive hours of wide spread fires

Your lack of experience in metal work is showing. Wires and electronics are not the same as 3 inch structural steal. The surface of some steel products do oxidize quickly when exposed to fire. As for any penetration capability, it don't do much.

Have you ever seen the result of a car caught in a hotter than usual fire? The aluminum head block will melt while the steel suspension remains intact.

originally posted by: kwakakev
a reply to: WhatItIs

And no explanation how wires and electronics would survive hours of wide spread fires

Your lack of experience in metal work is showing. Wires and electronics are not the same as 3 inch structural steal. The surface of some steel products do oxidize quickly when exposed to fire. As for any penetration capability, it don't do much.

Have you ever seen the result of a car caught in a hotter than usual fire? The aluminum head block will melt while the steel suspension remains intact.

So hot the back end paint is untouched. And parts of the plastic on the top rack unmelted?


How does copper wire, blasting caps, and electronic boards (batteries) survive long hours of an office fire?

originally posted by: kwakakev


Have you ever seen the result of a car caught in a hotter than usual fire? The aluminum head block will melt while the steel suspension remains intact.

Evidently the aluminum would make quite the mess…



Where did the aluminum run off to in your picture?

I haven't posted about 9/11 in over a decade, whats even the point any more? A major crime was committed against the people of the US by insider factions within the USG. The number of drills that day, the complete paralysis of NORAD response, the number of people in key positions who had only taken such in days prior etc means it can only have been coordinated from inside.
Nobody except Dr Judy Wood have actually put forward evidence corresponding to the physical effects about the destruction of the WTC buildings. To this day we still don't know what method was used but dustification is a correct term for where the buildings went. Not up in smoke - up in dust. 80% of the materials in the buildings did not crash to the ground, there was no seismic signal appropriate for the mass that supposedly fell. Such would be the case if it was Thermite, conventional explosives, nuclear or fire-induced collapse that had occurred. WTC 7 'collapse' was so weak it didn't even register at one of the 7 stations recording that day.
The final proof I needed was that out of 110 stories supposed to have collapsed somehow they neatly accordioned into a mere 4 stories of rubble. 96% of the total mass packed into a pile not even 60' tall? A few sections did fall outside of the building footprint but not enough to alter the basic question; where did all that material go?
I haven't trusted our Federal government since and they have proven that stance correct over and over again during the last 2 decades.

originally posted by: Asktheanimals

Dr Judy Wood have actually put forward evidence corresponding to the physical effects about the destruction of the WTC buildings.

Dustification? Really.

You know WTC 1 and 2 floors fell, leaving large portions of their cores standing whole seconds. Then the cores tumbled down.

WTC 1 and 2 how identifying marks on the core columns, how many columns were unaccounted for?

a reply to: WhatItIs

Dustification? Really.

Yeah, really.

a reply to: Asktheanimals

I haven't posted about 9/11 in over a decade, whats even the point any more?

I started this thread to find a way to live with the event and its subsequent fallout. It has been interesting to see how others live with it. I guess we have to find our own path through this mess.

It has been enlightening to see just how underhanded, deceitful and truly wicked government has become. It gave a good heads up for when this covid plan surfaced.

For now, just using this thread to add any new pieces of the puzzle that turn up. As for dealing with the ongoing psychological trauma that does exist, one step at a time.

a reply to: kwakakev

That sequence of the core columns vanishing was what convinced me first. Those beams were connected to solid granite at the bottom so they could not fall straight down. Had they collapsed they would have leaned then tipped over. That is not what we see. Look into the smoke (dust) and you can see solid beams but by the 4th frame they're gone. Poof. Like magic.

a reply to: WhatItIs

Great question. I was wondering how much steel was recovered vs what went in to the building's construction. That should be a very telling difference in volume. Funny but Bloomberg reports 8,000 tons of steel was stored away and another 200,000 tons were sent for scrap. 200,000 tons is also reported as the amount of steel used in the buildings using a quick google search. Ummm, anyone see a problem here? Actual figures may be impossible to find.
www.bloomberg.com...

originally posted by: kwakakev



For now, just using this thread to add any new pieces of the puzzle that turn up. As for dealing with the ongoing psychological trauma that does exist, one step at a time.

What. You just linked to obvious video hoax. And you’re posting to an individual that is the DR wood camp where DR Wood claims no explosives. But dustification.

originally posted by: Asktheanimals
a reply to: WhatItIs


www.bloomberg.com...

This link?

www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2023-02-11/suburban-police-station-finds-new-life-as-artist-housing

In the DC Suburbs, an Artful Compromise Over Density and Housing
A former police station finds new life as low-income housing for artists in a development that bridges the divide between commercial and residential strips.

www.bloomberg.com...

/www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2023-02-11/suburban-police-station-finds-new-life-as-artist-housing

Can you quote and cite where it makes any claims regarding WTC steel removed from the site?

a reply to: Asktheanimals

That sequence of the core columns vanishing was what convinced me first.

One theory that sounded reasonable was some kind of extreme temperature device at the base of the building that sent up a big blast of heat around 7 000 - 15 000 degrees that just vaporized the internal core structure as the rest of the building had its thermite cutter charges and other more general explosive to powderise the rest of the building and cover up what was going on in the internal core of the building.

As for how half a cop car gets oxidized while the rest is fine is due to the path the pryoclastic cloud generate by this heat took.

Dr Judy looks like she gets close to a lot of it. As for a 10/10, Architects and Engineers for 9/11 truth gets first place here. I know they only go so far, been rock solid where they stand.