Medjugorje seer Vicka gives time frame for the secrets before 2021

a reply to: 2012newstart

The reason for that is...you're among very few who take this "seer" busyness seriously. At least here on ATS.

Well, 2012newstart, you have a set a deadline to see verification of what the seers have foretold.

Something will happen by Christmas ... or not.

If not, chalk it up to experience.

Cheers

originally posted by: 2012newstart
a reply to: St Udio
will you reject Medjugorje if some message says that there are other worlds with Extraterrestrials?
Garabandal already said that they also need redemption of Jesus Christ. Extraterrestrials obviously exist in the Universe, and that will not shake my faith in God and His Son Jesus.

I won't reject anything... Jesus talked about there being Many Mansions in God's Kingdom (which signifies to me that God runs something like a Space Federation ~ re: Star Trek )

so my viewpoint is that ETs are factual, other lifeforms (also calling themselves Human) exist out there, with civilizations & cultures equal to or divergent from our present Paradigm found on the Earth-Moon-Sun system

I researched info to truthfully post that ET post I made, the ET disclosure is the 'Secret'... & I contend that the ET will be overlooked as being the personified Anti-Christ we read in Religious Prophecy/End-Times destruction

a reply to: one4all

fits right in with the CIAs paperback story of Adam and Eve which lays out the events of the 12k+ year cycle of Earths' re-making... the Crust Displacement/ the Polar Reversal/ the Micro-NOVA all will take place no later than the cycle period ending in year 2046

Hey man. Has it never crossed to you, that perhaps everything is just a sham? A prank that was started by four mischievious kids and teenagers that grew a bit out of hand?

If believing in Fatima, Medjugorje, etc. makes you a better man and bring you closer to God, then so be it, that's great. However, if your belief in these "apparitions" will shake your faith in God, then the question of where do they come from is well worth asking.

I believe "discernment" is the key word here. Don't put all your faith, efforts and hopes on the words of PEOPLE, no matter how desperate you are for answers to life's greatest mysteries.

If there is indeed a kingdom of God, it is in your heart. Look within and you will find it there, nurturing you. You won't need then to believe in prophecies, seers and alleged miracles. All the answers you are looking for, are already there, deep in your heart.

This is the kingdom of God: Love Him. Love your brothers and sisters. Love your neighbors. Forgive those who trespass against you. Live and let live. Everything else will come by itself.

Don't spend more time and energy waiting for fulfillment of prophecies that will never happen. Rather, focus on what you can do every day to be a better human being.

Bless you brother.

originally posted by: MarioOnTheFly
a reply to: 2012newstart

The reason for that is...you're among very few who take this "seer" busyness seriously. At least here on ATS.

The reason for that is NOT my personality, or whether there are few people. Several years ago there were many people to discuss prophecy and very erudite, more than me some of them.

I take the words of the seers and reason on them, assuming what they say is correct. And if it is not correct, if they fail, then it is not I who changed or failed, but they. They'd better take notice, and also the ones who make their apparitions. Because if it is Virgin Mary indeed, she knows that failing to deliver on the time she allegedly promised, would result in failing to believe in the prophecy. And if it is Not Virgin Mary but extraterrestrial entity...the result will be just the same. As a proof it is not Virgin Mary and that whoever she is she did not keep her words.

Some will say, prophecies are nothing, Church is everything. Similarly it is valid for the Church's promises for 1990 years for coming the kingdom of God (2000 years complete in 2033 minus 4, the 2 millenial anniversary of Jesus' resurrection). They can't just run away and hide behind phrases like: God never ever promised earthly happiness, only afterlife...I bet He did! Reread the Sermon on the mount of Jesus himself. And compare it with the bloodthirsty history of the Churches. If there is satanism in action, it may not be sought farther.

Indeed, several popes since John XXIII try to change things. But not very successful. Why all the good words of pope Francis if he cannot do as little as to remove from ranks the corrupt, fanatics and sexual offenders? As if he begs cardinal Sarah, the ultraconservative leader, to reform the Amazon mass and maybe to reform himself. I have a question not just to the pope but to all reformers, including cardinal Marx who is about to start much more radical Synod in Germany: How long do they think we the believers will be waiting for their reforms, for God's kingdom? Or it just doesn't matter the sacrifices because the Church is built upon sacrifice? Not immediate killing of innocents but protracted life long suffering? If they think otherwise, why don't they just show it with their RADICAL sweeping change? One does not have to be a prophet to see that if the Catholic Church doesn't change in a matter of months, it may not arrive to greet the 2000 jubilee of the Lord.

originally posted by: St Udio

originally posted by: 2012newstart
a reply to: St Udio
will you reject Medjugorje if some message says that there are other worlds with Extraterrestrials?
Garabandal already said that they also need redemption of Jesus Christ. Extraterrestrials obviously exist in the Universe, and that will not shake my faith in God and His Son Jesus.

 

I won't reject anything... Jesus talked about there being Many Mansions in God's Kingdom (which signifies to me that God runs something like a Space Federation ~ re: Star Trek )

so my viewpoint is that ETs are factual, other lifeforms (also calling themselves Human) exist out there, with civilizations & cultures equal to or divergent from our present Paradigm found on the Earth-Moon-Sun system

I researched info to truthfully post that ET post I made, the ET disclosure is the 'Secret'... & I contend that the ET will be overlooked as being the personified Anti-Christ we read in Religious Prophecy/End-Times destruction

Thank you St Udio!

I posted what Virgin Mary allegedly said in Garabandal that the extraterrestrials exist and need salvation as we do. I also posted the diary of St John XXIII who had visions of Virgin Mary and visions how ET fix the earth after a nuclear war. Furthermore, besides his private visions, he encountered a landing UFO saucer and talked with ET pilots, in the presence of his secretary cardinal Capovilla. (please use either the search button or click on my profile to see relevant threads).

I wonder why would Our Lady give secrets of world destruction without giving the rescue way at the same time? Unless that is in the secrets. And here I do not say whether this or that apparition is true or not, I point out timelines and controversies that will inevitably arise should the things keep going as they are.

Last months the US Navy scientist patented free energy engine, and before that, what we would call a hyperdrive engine. I will provide the links to patents. We are already in Star Trek and Stargate era. A matter of time before that all is shown on MSM. Whether some will call it antichrist, actually they already call so pope Francis, president Obama, and a number of other people. And I am sure that when the time of the real antichrist comes, they will not recognize him. Because they have already chosen to serve the lie, including the lie of their own fanaticism.

www.thedrive.com...

6/28: Docs Show Navy Got ‘UFO’ Patent Approved After Fear of China Beating Them To It
www.thedrive.com...

High frequency gravitational wave generator
patents.google.com...

Plasma Compression Fusion Device patents.google.com...

Craft Using an Inertial Mass Reduction Device patents.google.com...

Medjugorje Visionary Marija Said in 2017 “This year the Immaculate heart of Mary will triumph”
mysticpost.com...
marytv.tv... at 1:27
“And I believe that this year the Immaculate heart of Mary will triumph”.
full transcript of the lecture marytv.tv...

a reply to: 2012newstart

That explains it all. The easiest conclusion is, after 38 years everyday alleged apparitions of Virgin Mary, the Medjugorje seers failed miserably in their predictions.

The only other possibility is ALL 10 secrets have been cancelled! Because the Triumph of Mary would come only by the completion of the 10 secrets including the chastisement at the end the 10th, that was said could not be lessened and will definitely happen no matter the amount of prayers and sacrifices. But even if hypothetically some would argue the start of the first secret would destroy the power of Satan and therefore would start the triumph of Mary, still the first secret did not occur in 2017, nor in 2018, nor in 2019 (by November 24). And the seers have said they have the EXACT dates of the 10 secrets, and Mirjana even has them written on a parchment from non-earth origin given by Virgin Mary. If that is correct, then how is it that the Medjugorje seers failed to guess correctly of a year after 38 years in which they allegedly talk to Virgin Mary EVERYDAY?

Yes I am sure that if we ask now Mirjana or Vicka who didn't report a year, they will say "I don't know why Marija said 2017, Our Lady didn't tell ME THAT, the first secret didn't happen yet, I know the date but Our Lady forbids me to tell you"...Well, Vicka's own prediction expires in 2020 or at maximum 2021, but frankly I am not going to wait for it. As I explained quite long, there is no time for the 10 secrets to happen in the given sequence with 10 day forewarning, unless they start right now, by Christmas 2019.

This is not the ONLY controversion. In previous years Marija said that those are the LAST apparitions of Virgin Mary on Earth. Mirjana said the same. Later Mirjana corrected herself, saying "the last apparitions IN THIS WAY with so many seers etc", and that the books and the journalists are to blame for not reporting her correctly?!? All seers have said in the early years that the everyday apparitions would stop with the Great Sign. Later however Vicka said that there will be chosen one seer to continue having daily apparitions after the Great Sign.

Isn't it better the seers to say that the Virgin Mary's plan is conditional and open to changes? Instead, it is they who insist they have the exact dates of the secrets. Does it mean the secrets have been cancelled alltogether? The 10th secret is said to definitely happen.

When people like me ask reasonable questions out of good faith, they should not be blamed by those religious, forum mods in conservative blogosphere, who pretend to know it all better but who never give a straight answer. Those are very legitimate questions based on the very testimony of the seers themselves, not based on some antireligious propaganda! Come on, folks, if there are several millions or several dozen millions people who believe in Medjugorje (out of 7 bln) doe sit mean those people are constantly wrong that they somehow misunderstood the message and the seers, that it is THEY who need to correct and repent all the time, while many of them go to church everyday and dedicate their entire life on that? At the end, the unbelievers will be "converted" and how many of those sincerely believing people will end up in despair, in health or financial troubles? Is that the award they deserve for living the messages and in general the Christian lifestyle? Isn't it quite a strange game played by the seers and by the alleged messages who require more and more from those same poor people for the conversion of the world, as they say? And when some of those people finally question something in the narrative, it is they who are being attacked as if it wasn't for them everything would be fine in the made up picture?

On top of that, the ongoing ultraconservative COUP in the Catholic Church endangers to sway away exactly those several million sincere believers who are not necessarily the most educated ones. So one may ask, what was it all about? Why don't the Seers defend the reform of pope Francis, and thus stop the absurd process of their followers becoming rebels, while at the same time the seers claim their allegiance to the pope? But they cannot talk of the future of the Church because it is in the secrets...damn it.


The seers would do a bad service to Our Lady if they continuously not only change the narrative but also accuse those honest and well minded individuals, writers and others, who in the first years gathered immense information from no other else but the seers themselves (then children) and published it. Medjugorje seers became famous thanks to those books in pre-internet era. And now we hear from Mirjana that those books didn't say even 1% of the truth... why then teenager Mirjana didn't tell the rest of 99% to the good minded people who spread the message at that time? Did she lie then or now? Or did the prophecy change? The last thing the seers should do is to attack those writers who served Our Lady with pure heart wanting to bring Her alleged messages to the ends of the earth.

Let also say the Medjugorje seers are also human, capable of error and sin. Jakov was warned by Our Lady that he could go to Hell (don't know for what kind of sin). A person who was seeing Our Lady everyday for 17 years from the age of 10 to 27 (1981 to 1998), and who keeps having yearly apparitions on Christmas, was warned by Mary he could go to hell??? One of his visible faults was, he allowed to CHANGE a message, that indeed later he corrected in a private website but the message was never corrected in the official Medjugorje parish site and the majority of other sites. Was that the first time he changed or allowed a message to be changed without telling the truth? How about the other seers? Marija's own monthly messages are given first to the parish, and there was at least one instance when words were changed, indeed not to the extend of Jakov's complete different message. That puts the very legitimate question of trust not only in the seers' own words as authentic representation of Our Lady's, but also of the entire chain of transmission of messages. Why don't the seers have personal websites, blogs, etc? Indeed, Mirjana gives the monthly message live on cameras. But that happened only in the last years when she doesn't really talk of the secrets anymore. And everything about the secrets is shrouded with secrecy, and early interviews that speak of the secrets most are now being disregarded by the seers themselves.

The seers are not better than us, they are on their way of conversion to God as we all are. And they could have been mistaken not only in their personal lives but also of what they report as words of Our Lady. And that is the lighter conclusion, leaving the door open and not rejecting the apparitions as a whole. No surprise, the Vatican approved only the first 7 apparitions from the first 7 days, but not the rest of 38 years.

Those changes seem small but very important. Above all they show the prophecy is not written in stone, even if it is perfectly valid, rather it is conditional.

God is above Mary and above Medjugorje or any other contemporary apparition. if He decides so, He can cancel any planetary cataclysm. But did He cancel it in real? Or it is yet another mistaken word of the seers? I don't know the answer. We will understand very soon.

originally posted by: 2012newstart
www.lanuovabq.it...
from Italian:

"And finally, I can add another detail: a friend who is a driver in Medjugorje has testified several times that he had asked a very specific question to Vicka. It was 2001, twenty years had passed since the beginning of the apparitions (1981) and the revelation of the secrets to the visionaries, when he asked her: "If you can not communicate the date of secrets, can you at least tell us with a football metaphor, where are we in the match?". Then Vicka replied, "The second half has already started," thus implicitly bringing us to 2021."


If there is a twenty year period, in which already the second half of the game has started, that means it will last LESS than another 20 years! That sets up the date of the start of the Secrets in 2020 or even 2019. 2021 is the maximum. We do not know the exact date when Vicka said these words, and it is not said for the purpose of exact counting days (although she knows the exact dates of the Secrets). It is the general notion that in 2001 we have already crossed into the second half of the game.

It Seems to Me like She Said Something and it was taken out of Context
(Maybe debunked, Rather, I'll try to debunk this)

(? Have a Theory)

NGC 1981, a little cluster of 10 stars (in Orion, the Head of Taurus) ...... maps.seds.org/Stars_en/Fig/orion.html

(Okay this is how it goes)

The Homosapien does not Exceed Astrological Age of Taurus, so::: (that means three astrological ages only, Taurus, Aries, and Pisces TO END OF LINE, or Aquarius, in her vision)

"1981 is for Taurus"
"2001 is for Aries and Pisces" (Number 1 to Number 12 in "Long. Degrees" Table)
"2019 is for Aquarius" Aquarius Aquarius 20 January –19 February (Tropical Zodiac)

Just those FOUR Constellations are referenced............she is trying to account for Astrological ages in a literal parallel from YEAR. A.D. 1981 to 2019 .............. these dates are not specifically the beginning or ending of an astrological age, so must, maybe, create another theory.
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(Just a Statement)

(December) Solstice Precessional Alignment of 1980, 1998, 2012, 2016

She goes from 1981 = One Year Deviation
She goes from 2001 = 3 Year Deviation
Shes Goes from 2019 = 3 Year Deviation

She May not be describing the Path of an Unknown Object such as the trajectory of the Comet MABUS that is implied to strike on the Solstice of 12/21/2019....................its Path traces the Astrological Ages of the Homospaien as this earth has in the past ................. which we can say instead, the Deviations are attributed to Observe the Planet Pluto or such. like "Saturn-Pluto-Conjunction for 2019" (other one like uranus-pluto square, or etc are common).

(If it was such the case, that an Object would trace the path of this earth in its astrological ages prior to STRIKE/IMPACT, then follows, the logical statement of the Pleiades as the Galactic Equator Marker (same as Orion in Taurus), then Vernal Equinox in Aries as the Celestial Plane marker, and finally, the Zodiac with Aquarius for the Ecliptic Plane (our sun), as the reference to the Age of Aquarius the next and last astrological age.)

(The Original Position is Debunked because Information was added the Author of the Prophecy did not intend ............ one Theory is that we do not reach the Age of Aquarius, its just a death marker) (Need a Moment to Think............)

(This is already no Beginning and No Ending, but its not Isolated? just a Theory)

GMT Coefficient of 584283
Iota Herculis POLE STAR 6/21/10000 B.C.
......... 7000 Years before Mayan Calendar ......... to 8/11/3113 B.C.
Baktun 0 - 8/11/3113mo B.C. to 11/12/2719we B.C. 144,002 Days (394.5 yrs)
Baktun 1 - 11/13/2719th B.C. to 2/15/2324sa B.C. 144,004 Days (394.5 yrs)
Baktun 2 - 2/16/2324su B.C. to 5/20/1930tu B.C. 144,002 Days (394.5 yrs)
Baktun 3 - 5/21/1930we B.C. to 8/22/1536fr B.C. 144,003 Days (394.5 yrs)
Baktun 4 - 8/23/1536sa B.C. to 11/25/1142mo B.C. 144,003 Days (394.5 yrs)
Baktun 5 - 11/26/1142tu B.C. to 2/27/747th B.C. 144,003 Days (394.5 yrs)
Baktun 6 - 2/28/747fr B.C. to 6/2/353su B.C. 144,004 Days (394.5 yrs)
Baktun 7 - 6/3/353mo B.C. to 9/4/41we A.D. 143637 Days (393.5 yrs)
Baktun 8 - 9/5/41th A.D. to 12/8/435sa A.D. 144,003 Days (394.5 yrs)
Baktun 9 - 12/9/435su A.D. to 3/12/830tu A.D. 144,003 Days (394.5 yrs)
Baktun 10 - 3/13/830we A.D. to 6/14/1224fr A.D. 144,003 Days (394.5 yrs)
Baktun 11 - 6/15/1224sa A.D. to 9/17/1618mo A.D. 143993 Days (394.5 yrs)
Baktun 12 - 9/18/1618tu A.D. to 12/20/2012th A.D. 144,000 Days (394.5 yrs)
...................7 Years after Mayan Calendar ......... to 12/21/2019
Aquarius 20 degrees 1,420 to 1,440
Halley's Comet in 2061 ............. which is 42 Years from 12/21/2019


(This is a Complete Mayan Calendar Theory)

7000 Years to 7 Years as Marker from Beginning to End of Mayan Calendar to Activation
10000 Years to 10 Years from (Norway Spiral) to End of Mayan Calendar to Activation (as was said)

(in less than 30 days, millions to hundreds of millions of american citizens will die)

Reflecting on the words of Marija in 2017 “And I believe that this year the Immaculate heart of Mary will triumph”, Marija KNOWS the EXACT DATES of the secrets therefore also the date of the start of the triumph of Mary. She does not need to "believe it", she knows it. Moreover, to be incorrect with more than 2 years doesn't match with the words of all 6 seers that they have the exact dates, and Mirjana has them written on parchment from heaven. .

The conclusion is, the dates of the secrets have come and gone. Maybe the prayers for 38 years of millions of people have averted them. God in His endless mercy has decided not to punish humankind also this time.

As I read the description of the 10 secrets from the first years (just google it) only the 10th secret is said to be unavoidable that will definitely happen and that cannot be lessened. Perhaps it is still coming in the near future.

That matches with all the scientific data of increasing Climate change, to the extend prince Charles to say this year that we have only until the end of 2020 to take actions in order to survive...He would never say such definitive words, the crown prince and future king, if it was not so.
Maybe the Chastisement so much talked in many apparitions, is a global planetary catastrophe.

I hope it will be given a way out, a rescue way for those people who want. Please refer to the patents I posted above. The first time such exotic technologies have been made official and public. I am sure there is prepared way out, only the people should choose it, maybe in protected areas on the planet.

I base these conclusions not just on Medjugorje. It is clear by now that the seers of Medjugorje are not at the level of apparition of Virgin Mary that currently is the biggest one on earth. Regardless of their authenticity that it is not me to determine. They are human, fallible, and show clearly controversies with their past words. As by the way the seers of other smaller apparitions show. That doesn't diminish the fact that we are infront of planetary disaster that one does not need to be a prophet or a seer of Virgin Mary in order to see it coming.

a reply to: 2012newstart

In that regard, of evidence of imminent planetary disaster, with or without apparitions to tell us so, the question goes to WHAT if ANYTHING the Church is doing for its over a billion members and for the world. Is it ENOUGH that pope Francis warns of climate dangers and will write new ecological sins? Does he know something more, as John Paul II said in Fulda about Fatima:


“On the other hand, it should be sufficient for all Christians to know this: if there is a message in which it is written that the oceans will flood whole areas of the earth, and that from one moment to the next millions of people will perish, truly the publication of such a message is no longer something to be so much desired.”

The Pope continued: “Many wish to know simply from curiosity and a taste for the sensational, but they forget that knowledge also implies responsibility. They only seek the satisfaction of their curiosity, and that is dangerous if at the same time they are not disposed to do something, and if they are convinced that it is impossible to do anything against evil.”"

So, satisfaction of curiosity, or decision to do something against the evil that is going to befall us all? From the above words seems to me that the Catholic leaders are well aware of the gravity of situation but prefer to keep their convenient status quo until the last moment, as very well shown in the film 2012 when St Peter's dome fell on praying cardinals and crowd.

As of today, we receive a more concrete message of warning from some civil authorities, not all, such as the warning of prince Charles, as well as from the scientific community regarding the climate change. Whether the planetary cataclysm will be only climate change or more?

The patents of new energy source hundreds times more powerful than the known sources, and of antigravity flying device, come to show us there will be a rescue way out. Maybe some protected areas with antigravity fields to deflect whatever impact is coming our way. Or simply leaving the planet, something that is not so easy to be done for all people. Whatever it is, seems a lead in that direction has been taken. Hope more to come within weeks and months.

And going back to the apparitions and church matters, if they want to be relevant they should provide rescue ways NOW not after the event to say, "see we told you to repent and you didn't, so God punished you". A punishment that will spare neither good nor bad, as the text of Neues Europa Fatima version and Akita apparition say. That puts a relevant question as why the Merciful God will punish the good ones together with the bad ones? And not provide a rescue way for His servants? Where is the point then of a justice exercised by sending that same punishment over the earth? Because not all of the 7 bln people are equally guilty. 1 bln people are kids for example.

Questions that are very relevant from a religious point of view, not from atheistic point of view. And that Must be addressed without any further delay, both by seers and by Vatican. The Vatican has direct knowledge, so are the seers. To return to Marija, her statement above makes clear some of the secrets have passed as dates without anything to happen. Why then she still keeps silence on them? Why not to tell us the truth, are some secrets cancelled or not? The contradiction she creates risks the entire credibility of apparition. I do not want to repeat things already said in previous posts.

And if the seers are allegedly forbidden by Mary to speak, is the pope forbidden too? Again, if we receive more relevant information from scientists, princes and even hollywood, then isn't it better we just listen to them instead? The Vatican must realize it will lose any credibility if it knew of apocalyptic events and did nothing. There is always Day After and the survivors won't be merciful then.

(Thinking for a Moment)

Our Lady of Akita
July 6, 1973
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1981 = Difference 8 Years
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Turin Shroud of Jesus Burning
April 11, 1997
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2001 = Difference 4 Years
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Two Witnesses of Revelation Killed
12/9/2019 (before or on the solstice)
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2021 = Difference 2 years

Counting Down



Garabandal apparitions 1961

20 Years before 1981 = 1961 ............. that is apart of the pattern .....................
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in 1961 the deviation was only 4 years "1961 to 1965" ......... 4 years, then 8 years, then 4 years then 2 years ............ as was said like that.

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Halley's Comet in 2061 - 100 Years = 1961 .......... that is the pattern at 100 Years. When the Mother of Jesus traveled, to wherever, when she "fleed egypt?" and went to bethlehem, that is probably the parallel

The Five Emperors were:
96-98 A.D. Marcus Nerva
98-117 A.D. Marcus Traianus
117-138 A.D. Publiius Hadrianus (Hadrian)
138-161 A.D. Antoninus Pius
161-180 A.D. Marcus Aurelius
historycentral.com/dates/1ad.html

4 B.C. to 97 A.D. = 100 Years with no year zero you minus a year.................WHEN MARY FLEED EGYPT, TO BIRTH OF JESUS IN JERUSALEM.................100 years from that is Appointment of "Marcus Nerva!!!!!!!!!!!"

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(Everything will be resolved with Moses, this year 2019 ............... have legal reasons why 2020 is invalid no wives (see difference from halley's comet 2061, for 41 years of matthew wife genealogy, or 42 years to 2019 for revelation's dispute of wive) ................. 2021 is measured at 52 and 52 Years from Fatima, that is not a solar year measurement (norway spiral to halley's comet in 2061 is correct)

(The Statement is for 2019 only) (we thought we debunked this already)

(Moses dies about 2 weeks before December Solstice 2019 and then the Comet MABUS appears and then millions dies in the usa, maybe numbered at the norway spiral, for Dec. 9, 2019 ............. that appears legally valid and true)

The newest message of Our Lady through Mirjana says it all. Please refer to it in medjugorje.org medjugorje.hr or other Medjugorje sites. here I will post only the part that seems unusually....loving, as if coming from a poem of poet writing of love between two young people

December 2, 2019
... Among those who love my Son and who love each other through Him, words are not necessary. A gaze is sufficient for the unspoken words and unexpressed feelings to be heard. There where love reigns, time no longer counts. We are with you....

Words are not necessary! time no longer counts! That says it all! We are inside the sequence of events. And I am thinking of the political crisis in US and UK, EU reshaping, of Church developments and so on, but really can't say anything online. We all are given reason to know the signs of the times. Maybe that article helps too spiritdailyblog.com...

OK, 2019 passed. There is no technical time for 10 secrets to unfold, with 10 days forewarning before each of them, and reasonable time from secret to secret, if the final secrets should be accomplished in 2020. Although there is a remote possibility of 2021 as I explain in OP.

Other events and prophecies, including that of St Bridget of Sweden for antichrist defeat in 1980+40 years lead to year 2020.

That is to say, Medjugorje seer Vicka Failed.

Another Medjugorje seer Marija who produces the monthly messages, FAILED as well. She said in 2017 she expected the Triumph of Mary to happen in 2017. It didn't happen then, it didn't happen now. Moreover, how could it happen without the fulfillment of the Secrets, something we were repeatedly told not only in Medjugorje but also in Fatima, Garabandal and countless other less known apparitions?

Does it mean the secrets are cancelled? And if so, why shouldn't the seers tell us even THAT? Virgin Mary forbids them? But they leak it anyway! As with Garabandal seers, they were not forbidden to say the nature of the Great Warning, but they "felt" that if they didn't say it back then why should they say it now? Great logic! At the expense of all of us, the victims!

Why would the seers' testimonies differ so much from the first years of interviews recorded rather meticulously by believing and respectful journalists? Mirjana of Medjugorje went on to say in her book, that 99% of those printed books in the first years were not true. but they contain her own words and the words of the other 5 seers! Did the seers lie us then, or now? Did they relay the words of the Virgin (if it is she who appears to them) correctly? As I pointed out, we know of at least several messages to have been changed, Jakov's was the most notorious one, not with exchanged words but entire sentences, when he said initially the dreadful phrase "time is running out".

So far,4 out of 6 Medjugorje seers are caught not to report correctly what allegedly Virgin Mary said. Because if it is the real Virgin Mary she cannot change her words, to say "expect the triumph in 2017" and then to cancel it. Or if it was cancelled, why wouldn't the seers bother a little more to tell us that? After all material and financial benefits they receive? (indeed Vicka lives poor life, but ONLY she. The others enjoy mansions-hostels worth millions where they welcome pilgrims who pay for it).

While those and other very relevant and respectful questions of people who are deeply believing remain unanswered and even scorned to be asked, the narrative goes on and on - more sacrifices are required, more suffering... One may doubt who is the source of such messages of "sacrificial love" that sacrifices the object of love, i.e. we the people. For the conversion of hypothetical sinners. Anyone to have asked us do we want it?

That all on the background of the looming Iran - US war can hardly be called a "triumph" of anything but hatred. Sure not triumph of love or triumph of Mary. US Iran war has the potential to go nuclear. Moreover, North Korea is expected to make the next provocation, and if we are not sure how advanced Iran is, we know for certain North Korea can EMP USA in a matter of minutes. USA is not satisfied with its position of superpower rather goes after those rough countries who can destroy not only the American but all the Western civilization. One cannot help but recall images of the Apocalypse.

And if so, why for heaven's sake those repeated messages of sacrifice, instead of CLEAR DIRECTIONS OF GOING INTO REFUGES, IF NOT RAPTURE? Some other apparitions give at least the promise of such refuges. They are of course not promoted by the Catholic Church. And the protestants at least promise the Rapture, although it never happens.

Seems to me, whatever will happen, it will be very different from the narrow narrative we are receiving from such channels. Very different from what we have ever experienced too. Because, if we believe in a loving and merciful God, it is incomprehensible how He would let innocent people suffer and die in radioactive clouds, with the survivals having their genes mutated forever, only because He doesn't intervene and actually allows Satan to strike?

Don't believe anything other than what you see! Jesus said it himself:

Matthew 24:22 “If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. 23 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. 24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you ahead of time.

originally posted by: one4all

originally posted by: 2012newstart
a reply to: St Udio

will you reject Medjugorje if some message says that there are other worlds with Extraterrestrials?
Garabandal already said that they also need redemption of Jesus Christ. Extraterrestrials obviously exist in the Universe, and that will not shake my faith in God and His Son Jesus.

What if I told you what we call Aliens are Humans from our past and that they do not follow religions that are imaginary like ours today but they still search for our creator/s.We follow dogma being led like sheep in our genuine honest search for our creator/s.....they have overcome the Dogma and still seek their origins.
www.youtube.com...

That might be one of the best messages I have seen on ATS.

Well done.

And please, for the love of God, keep 'em coming. So much dreck here...so little time...

a reply to: MarioOnTheFly

Francis is a communist whom has politicized the Catholic religion. He has talked about getting rid of capitalism in "socialist/communist meetings" and replacing it essentially with socialism and even communism. He has gone so far as to claim something like communists are the best Christians. To many people, and myself, he is the false prophet.

The Catholic religion has throughout the years turned more and more "liberal." It has been politicized to favor far left-wing beliefs, and has been even against what Jesus, and even the bible teach. Jesus wasn't a socialist, nor a communist. He was a carpenter, and as such was a capitalist, but he didn't talk in favor of any particular economic or political ideology.

However when he said: "Render unto Ceasar what is Ceasar's, and to Elohim/God the things that are Elohim's/God's", it is clear he was saying to follow the laws of men, but also Elohim's God's laws.
He was responding to a question about whether or not they should pay taxes, it was a trap. In his response it was clear he was saying to respect the laws in that nation and follow those laws. The things that are Elohim's/God's are spiritual, and not materialist. But he wasn't saying to negate all things materialistic either. His response was more like "follow the laws of men, but also Elohim's/God's laws."

a reply to: one4all

I doubt your claims. There is no point for "ets" to communicate with someone, giving messages about what is to come etc, whose only interaction with the world is the internet. It makes no sense for "advanced beings" to contact some obscure person, whom will just make claims and proclaim those claims are the truth, but no one knows whom this person is.

The only person I know which knew about at least some of the real secrets of Fatima, and gave us some hints as to what some of those secrets are, is dead. His name was father Malachi Martin.

He had written books in which he stated many cardinals had turned from the path and were in fact luciferians, and that there is a very powerful group of people whom had been turning the Catholic church into the luciferian mess that it is today.

I personally believe his statements, and what he had been writing about, because he was a very respected theologian. He had doctorates in archaeology, Oriental history and Semitic languages. in fact he knew several languages, including several dead languages. He was one of the scholars whom translated the Dead Sea Scrolls. He was a friend, and confidant of Pope John Paul I, and he was in at least some of the meetings in the Vatican in which the higher ups spoke about the secrets/prophecies of Fatima and what to do with them.

Here is the last message he gave us on Coast to Coast AM before he died, from falling a flight of stairs and then getting a heart attack 2 years after giving this last message.

cyberspaceorbit.com...

BTW, it's obvious what father Malachi Martin was talking about in that last interview. At least as it pertains to this.

The Ribbon - Is The Sun About To Enter A Million-Degree Cloud Of Interstellar Gas?

That article was published in 2010, and all the signs point to us not only moving into this region of the galaxy, (even the interstellar wind has changed direction Eleven Spacecraft Show Interstellar Wind Changed Direction Over 40 Years)but also that the many changes Earth, and which have been occurring in other planets in the Solar System, and even in our Sun all seem to be linked to this change of the region of the galaxy our solar System has been moving into.

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: MarioOnTheFly

Francis is a communist whom has politicized the Catholic religion. He has talked about getting rid of capitalism in "socialist/communist meetings" and replacing it essentially with socialism and even communism. He has gone so far as to claim something like communists are the best Christians. To many people, and myself, he is the false prophet.

The Catholic religion has throughout the years turned more and more "liberal." It has been politicized to favor far left-wing beliefs, and has been even against what Jesus, and even the bible teach. Jesus wasn't a socialist, nor a communist. He was a carpenter, and as such was a capitalist, but he didn't talk in favor of any particular economic or political ideology.

However when he said: "Render unto Ceasar what is Ceasar's, and to Elohim/God the things that are Elohim's/God's", it is clear he was saying to follow the laws of men, but also Elohim's God's laws.
He was responding to a question about whether or not they should pay taxes, it was a trap. In his response it was clear he was saying to respect the laws in that nation and follow those laws. The things that are Elohim's/God's are spiritual, and not materialist. But he wasn't saying to negate all things materialistic either. His response was more like "follow the laws of men, but also Elohim's/God's laws."

Pope Pig reveals himself