The Importance of Belief

a reply to: rom12345

One Man's truth is another's lie.

Perspective being the definitive ticket.

originally posted by: glend
a reply to: Nothin

I really couldn't stomach much of it. Its logic is wishy-washy. Preceding the primordial belief of I AM is the belief that his true essence stands by itself. As an analogy, In the computer world, each thread has its own memory stack, its own code to execute. If the thread is I AM. Then who is the main program that executes the thread. Who is the programmer that writes the program.

Again: there seems to be some element missing...
Sorry, but it feels like you leave me no choice but to guess, or assume things that are left unsaid.
Is it possible that you are holding some deep beliefs, or things that you are 'sure' that you know, that you are not able to overlook when contemplating new ideas?
Do you consider yourself a Christian, or person of faith?

Just trying to understand why truth-talk would seem 'wishy-washy'?

A computer program needs a programmer, 'I AM' doesn't need anything before it. Please don't say that it does.
Would try to explain in perhaps a different way, if you would only ask.
Why would you not ask?
Do you already have it all figured out?
If so: then why even discuss?

a reply to: Nothin

A computer program needs a programmer, 'I AM' doesn't need anything before it. Please don't say that it does.

There is this...

In many animals, basic instincts and behaviors are encoded in the organism's DNA. The DNA provides instructions for the animal to build specific neural circuits to perform certain behaviors in response to certain stimuli.

If a new born did not have instructions (aka programming) . It would never breath, it would never search for food, it wouldn't even move. Thereafter the baby's ego construct is built from a brain that has been specifically built by DNA to think in certain ways. The ego construct learns from experience that the skin of its body is the extremity of all touch perception. Thereafter surmises I AM

So is I AM truth given that human sensory organs are known to be limited. Well you could make the assumption. But that doesn't make it truth.

I will just leave that as my final comment in your thread. I am not trying to disrail or upset you. I truly don't agree with your point of view. Sorry.

a reply to: glend

Hi Glend. Sorry that have been bulldogging the thread. You seem like a nice person, and am sorry if have gotten on your wrong side.
It's just that nobody ever seems interested in getting to the bottom of things, and thought that my point was very strong.

The rest will be for anyone else that may be interested in looking to see below, beyond, or beneath all beliefs, deeper than any interpretations.
Perhaps we have a chance, for once, to find what is true, and what is not true?

The 'I AM' does not include the body that the baby discovers. It does not include any part of this supposed physical universe.
It does not include any concept from out-of duality. Even all of our senses are not accepted as real.
Nothing that says 'two' passes.

The concept of 'I AM' is the idea of touching on the only thing that one can know as truth, and everything else is belief, opinion, and/or dream-state interpretation.

Only: 'this that is'.
This sense of awareness.
This, right here, right now, below the sensory data.

It is clear that contemplating this is very challenging to folks whom have deep-seated beliefs, such as religion, or world-view beliefs. It seems very difficult to look beyond our beliefs, no?