Early version of AATIP connected with Skinwalker Ranch

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

originally posted by: Spacespider

originally posted by: solve

originally posted by: Spacespider

originally posted by: SailorJerry

originally posted by: Spacespider
Skinwalker Ranch was debunked long time ago.. so I do not buy that story.
There are no evidence that anything strange is going on at that place.
Only ghost stories and native legends.

Please feel free to cite your sources where it was debunked. Since it was years ago, im sure youll have no problem with providing multiple

So you want me to list a list of 500 names of people that have been to that place and found nothing.... ?
I have better things to do, like watching my paint dry

500 people not seeing anything means jack and (SNIP)


Really is pointless arguing over this, i have seen ghosts, UFO`s, "aliens" and so much more, but could not prove it, or if i could, nobody needs to believe me, only your own eyes can be trusted, and sometimes even that is not enough.

-Edit- Dude, i think you are lost, do not worry, sometimes i find myself in the political area, just take some steps back and find stories you are more interested in.

Correction.. it is you that sound lost in hope and dreams of the impossible, expecting to see a unicorn around every corner. And by the sounds of it, so much you even believe to have seen lots of that.. or perhaps you are just smoke without fire, and say anything to make others think you are not "lost".

Come on now, no one has EVER reported seeing a unicorn. (Okay I found a few reports, but just for laughs) People have often reported seeing other things like ghosts/spirits and flying disks and flying cylinders in the hundreds of thousands.

The unicorn fallacy is only misused by those who have never seen anything themselves and because of their own personal fear and their self induced, stunted spiritual awareness has them often using the unicorn fallacy as a crutch.

I believe in you Jack

originally posted by: Spacespider

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: Spacespider

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: Spacespider

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: Spacespider

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: Spacespider

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: Spacespider

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: Spacespider

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: Spacespider
Skinwalker Ranch was debunked long time ago.. so I do not buy that story.
There are no evidence that anything strange is going on at that place.
Only ghost stories and native legends.

How was it debunked?

No one in this universe have ever been able to provide any type of evidence of the incredible.
And ohh boy a lot of people have tried.. and all failed.
Some refused to accept defeat, and came up with even more ghost stories and bad excuses.

Look up what the word debunked means. If someone sees a ufo, but was alone and did not have enough time to take a photo, does that mean it's been "debunked"?

There are lots of photographic and video evidence of UFO

There are none of that when it comes o skinwalker ranch.

And the complete lack of evidence for such a small location with so many people looking for it.
Is enough to call it case closed and debunked, as much as we want to believe, believing does not make it true.

No, all we have here are witnesess, a lot of them. Even the scientist working there did see odd, strange stuff. So it has not been debunked at all! We just do not have the evidence to conclude what was happening there.

So if a group of people told you they owned a hanger with a captured alien inside you will take it as "evidence"
interesting...

I never said that! Stop putting words in my mouth! You said this has been debunked. It has not been debunked, just no real evidence that proves without a doubt that something strange in happening here.

We have a lot of witnesess, including scientists. You either believe them, not believe them, or on the fence.

But to say it has been debunked is wrong, but it has not been debunked.

I just checked to see if we had any milk, and my wife did to... we concluded there is no milk
We thought we had some milk, but now we debunked that silly idea

Seriously! You ate trying to sound clever, but come across as a bit silly.

debunk
expose the falseness or hollowness of (an idea or belief).

So realising you do not have milk is not debunking the idea!

Seriously! Stop now!

But it is.. as we thought we had some.. I of sure of it, my wife even confirmed it, as she thought it to.

Just as you said.. "lots" of people witness something and therefor it must be.

But they came back empty handed, so they debunked their own ghost stories.

Are you just trolling for the sake of it? Even though you have been proven wrong about the word debunk, you are still too stubborn to admit you were wrong. Cannot debate with people like you!

From Cambridge dictionary
DEBUNK: to show that something is less important, less good, or less true than it has been made to appear
And that is exactly what all those people that have gone looking for unicorns and ferries at skinwalker have done.
They came back with a whole lot of nothing.. just like your arguments

You have proved your "milk" explantion completly invalid, and you do not even know it lol

And you still do not get it! You can have a opinion and say "I do not believe they are telling the truth" But you are not debunking because you cannot debunk witnesess unless you have a good reason to suspect they are lying, that's when the work debunk comes in.

You saying this was debunked a long time ago is invalid, unless you can show how all the witnesess including the scientists who studied on the ranch are lying. Giving an opinion is not debunking. It's a opinion.

I cannot make it anymore clearer!

The lack of evidence or anything at all..
That is debunking something.
Until then, its just a cute story you can enjoy and dream about

That's not debunking! Jesus! If someone sees a ufo, and tells me about it, and I do not believe them, that is not debunking. That is me not believing them, which is an opinion!

Seriously! You do not have to be a rocket scientist to figure that out!

originally posted by: Spacespider

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: Spacespider

originally posted by: SailorJerry

originally posted by: Spacespider

originally posted by: SailorJerry

originally posted by: Spacespider
Skinwalker Ranch was debunked long time ago.. so I do not buy that story.
There are no evidence that anything strange is going on at that place.
Only ghost stories and native legends.

Please feel free to cite your sources where it was debunked. Since it was years ago, im sure youll have no problem with providing multiple

So you want me to list a list of 500 names of people that have been to that place and found nothing.... ?
I have better things to do, like watching my paint dry

Yes please provide the list of people and their testimonies

You made the claim, now back it up

No need.. as I said I could go google hunting for those names, but I have better things to do.
But the point is.. they ALL came back with nothing at all.
All those loonies that still believe should be the one that provide evidence.

No, you are making the statement, so you have to prove it. I know you cannot prove anything because you are an armchair debunker at best who lime to be known as part of an intelligent group thst likes to throw around the words " critical thinking" and thinks being in this group adds and extra 20 poi he to your IQ.

If you are wanting to be in this group, then at least make valid arguments instead of throwing around words you do not even know the meaning of!

I hate to be the wolf that gives you bad dreams
But I guess I am

No, you are just one of many armchair debunkers that are absolutly clueless!

a reply to: Spacespider

This is pretty cool, four legs, and one single horn,

But i also request the list of those 500 people now. You said you can give the list.

a reply to: gortex


What a wonderful video. We are caught in a web between data and replicability of science, which is going to be late in this game, technology, which is mistaken for demons and fantasy, spirituality and consciousness, which is confused for randomness and probability, and it goes on. We also have the standard ATS debunkers who have either never been part of an highly advanced defense SAP project or are actively seeking to disinform. My guess is of course, is the former.


I will give it a decade or two. Some of the people who worked on these sytems and observations will be validated with the advancement of field theory and gradual acceptance of the idea that the physical reality is simulated and that matter and information is transfered in and out of dimensions through technology and "other" means. I will also tell you emphatically, that there are 16 dimensions (square of 4) and that access is based on resonance and fields based on the square root of pi. The way to access and use reconassance is most interesting but the NRO in conjucntion with the DIA/Navy/USAF have the technology to track these interdeminsional energy transfers and physical "manifestation" of species or the non-physical actions which can be manifest by the higher intelligence.

Now, the skeptical blowhards and "know it alls" here seem to miss one essential fact, and that is reality based on their few millenium evolution, coupled with indocrination and limited cognition is not just physical and mathmatical but metaphysical which can be manipulated technologically and through the understanding of natural laws of quantum fields and through those natural interdimensional energic sources themselves .

a reply to: EternalSolace
I admire your willingness to admit your own shortcomings. We could all benefit from a little unflinching self examination — except for me, of course.

a reply to: solve
Over the years I’ve come to realize I don’t know anything about this universe (or universes). I’ve come to believe just about anything is possible. For example, how was I so lucky as to be a human being, born to good, middle-class American parents in 1956? I’m fortunate in so many other ways that it seems noncoincidental at times. Why wasn’t I born a cockroach, or a bacterium? Why was I born at all? Consider the odds of that particular sperm from dad fertilizing that specific ovum in mom, developing into a fetus and carried to term with a safe delivery. The odds are astronomically against that happy union, yet here I am.

a reply to: SkinwalkerRanch

Well, on the bright side we're not debating about who owns the ranch! Welcome back!

My main question is and has always been, when will real evidence from the ranch be released? I'm hearing the current owner is researching things in a different way than NIDS did and possibly getting better results. I've also heard the owner said he'd release the findings. If so, will this be an open disclosure, or slowly leaked without hard evidence by Knapp and the gang?

originally posted by: SkinwalkerRanch
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Highly interested about these,

Do black triangle UFOs have something to do with the place, or have they been seen there?

Also very interested about descriptions of cryptids, especially those that resemble a Bear, or a Wolf.

These are at the very top of my mind, at the moment.

originally posted by: Spacespider

No one in this universe have ever been able to provide any type of evidence of the incredible.
And ohh boy a lot of people have tried.. and all failed.
Some refused to accept defeat, and came up with even more ghost stories and bad excuses.

The only visual 'evidence' of something paranormal at the ranch was the strange CCTV clip apparently from 2004 of 'twin towers' (as NIDS nicknamed them, according to George Knapp) seemingly materialising out of thin air - the sole piece of 'hot' footage in Jeremy Corbell's long-awaited and overlong but ultimately empty 2018 documentary.

ATSer ctj83 made a valiant attempt to analyse it, but without further info from Corbell, Knapp or Anyone (which was not forthcoming), we all seemed to reach a depressing dead-end.

As mentioned before, ex ranch owner Sherman claimed to have gone to great lengths between 1994 and 1996 to capture video footage of black triangular UFOs and 'portals' on the property, according to Colm Kelleher and Knapp's infamous 2005 book. However, anyone asking for the whereabouts of that presumably vital footage will meet the same wall of silence.

So, plenty of Stories, but Zero Evidence to date. Campfire tales indeed. Perfect for an Amusement Park Ghost Ride.

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My guess would be because the secrecy has to do with National Security!

a reply to: ConfusedBrit

I've pretty much left ATS and ufology, deciding it would be healthier to pursue other interests.

What I'll say is this - I didn't reach a dead end on that footage at all. However, after some ATS nut jobs not have basic reading comprehension skills, and assuming I was the owner of the footage or I was covering up for Corbel I gave up trying.

I still have the analysis. I may or may not release it - depends if there is a need.

It may be unnecessary - I've since heard that there is interest and proof coming on the towers from another unknown source, and also that The Uninvited will cover the ranch.

Ideally Jeremy will update everyone on the real story behind the towers. I think time is short - but seeing as he chose to include it in his film, I doubt there will be much problem doing that.

a reply to: SkinwalkerRanch

Are you able to talk about Jacques Vallee's assertions that the Ranch computer and security systems were being interfered with and hacked directly on the property? Or that the camera that was mysteriously cut down, was, according to both Vallee and Alexander was cut down with rusty scissors?

Or, the Bigelow device Chuck Zuckowski has talked about?

a reply to: ctj83

Thats a few good observations there CTJ!

How would anyone remotely access the computers there? I am making assumptions here, but surely they would have been on a closed network and it would have been LAN as well and not Wireless nor connected to the internet.

So lets say that assumption is correct; that would mean you would need hard access to a terminal onsite to be able to gather any data!

However, with the DIA onsite, maybe they were there to "manage" the event/site more than anything else...

I too would be interested in a reply on this one...!!

originally posted by: ctj83
a reply to: ConfusedBrit

I've pretty much left ATS and ufology, deciding it would be healthier to pursue other interests.

I hope you continue to occasionally pop in, but I understand how this stuff can drive someone nuts!

Ideally Jeremy will update everyone on the real story behind the towers. I think time is short - but seeing as he chose to include it in his film, I doubt there will be much problem doing that.

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We don't need Jeremy to tell us, because it was part of George Knapp's original TV documentary despite Corbell informing us on ATS during his AMA that he basically snuck it in at the last moment, as if it were something illicit.

But will George spill the beans? Frankly, I'm surprised it wasn't discussed with Springer around the camp fire, especially since the towers were the major carrot being dangled at us during the film's promotion.