Early version of AATIP connected with Skinwalker Ranch

originally posted by: gunshooter
a reply to: EternalSolace

how is this person a fake? prove it.....

maybe you're the fake here. there has been more proven about this place than you can imagine with your closed little mind. it would make your poor little head pop...

It's all good, he apologized a few posts after that statement. Just having a bad day, as most of us sometimes do

I just listened to a podcast the other day on Skinwalker Ranch...think it was on Higherside Chat from April. It would be interesting to know if the new owners have any government connection since the new research going on seems decently funded.

a reply to: vlawde

I take it back what i said earlier today, will not have sweet dreams-------------- EVER AGAIN, the insanely large black triangle is real, and it was constructed by either aliens or one of the ancient super civilizations.

Be careful what you wish for.

a reply to: vlawde

The Skinwalker guy is a billionaire? I never knew! It all makes sense now even though I never bought into the phuckery. I think when I was young I might have entertained one hour plus long video from YouTube of someone filming and "investigating" at the ranch.

There was a whole lot of nothing iirc, similar to a ghost detective TV show. Those were big hits and probably still are by the way. Lots of money to go around in all of this.

That's what the people who are into it don't understand; it's entertainment. It's deep, psuedo real entertainment that cant be declared real or fake definitively, thus people who believe in it or are into it are the consumer and that's fine, there's plenty. They won't complain or criticize.

And really, that's all it is, revenue and a hobby similar to an alternative reality roleplaying game. I hate to use the example but Pokemon GO was one of those. Walking around detecting things that aren't there and collecting or fighting them, then gravitating to areas where there were more players and dueling each other, trading pokemon, and having social interactions in real life.

If you went to a Skinwalker Ranch retreat vacation thing or a convention on it, UFOs even, that's what you'd get. The hobby treated and satisfied in addition to social interactions with people who are also into it and voluntarily there thus disarmed to the usual pitfalls of socializing with strangers, making new friends in public.

a reply to: vlawde

I do think those are very closely connected. It's all related to dimensions IMO, like harnessing the power of the multidimensional plane as of looking into a mirror and see yourself but you can't touch your own self reflected image?

Sometimes I think that biology can only be on planets and celestial phenomena or certain entities not bound to biology only exist in space between the boundaries and laws of physics of a different nature and both can't be in one place without shells to keep their own physical appearance?

If you want to see evidence for UFOs, demons, or alternate dimensional entities, there's one place you need to visit and it's expensive. It doesn't happen often elsewhere, just on his property at a higher occurrence for unknown reasons. The Government was going to investigate it but they were too scared.

He's a billionaire. Not from entertaining retreats to his ranch but he just happens to be a billionaire and it's his property coincidentally where all of this happens. Nothing irrefutable yet, no admissable evidence despite decades of entertaining any who can afford to show up for research.

Don't ask me why or how, I don't have all of the answers. What I do know is that you can find hundreds of videos on YouTube from the ranch if you're into it. Leading experts from the field of hypothetical.

originally posted by: Spacespider
Skinwalker Ranch was debunked long time ago.. so I do not buy that story.
There are no evidence that anything strange is going on at that place.
Only ghost stories and native legends.

How was it debunked?

originally posted by: r0xor
He's a billionaire. Not from entertaining retreats to his ranch but he just happens to be a billionaire and it's his property coincidentally where all of this happens. Nothing irrefutable yet, no admissable evidence despite decades of entertaining any who can afford to show up for research.

He who? Bigelow? It's not his ranch anymore, he sold it.

Skinwalker Ranch

The ranch was sold by Bigelow to a private corporation, Adamantium Real Estate, LLC, in 2016. In 2017, the name "Skinwalker Ranch" was filed for trademark through Justia Trademarks. The trademark was issued in 2018.

The link also talks about the Pigasus award the ranch received, why does nobody ever talk about that?

Nothing irrefutable yet, no admissable evidence despite decades of entertaining any who can afford to show up for research.

You could call it a "null result", but I wouldn't call it "no evidence" or even "no admissible evidence", rather there has been evidence gathered which apparently failed to support the mythological Navajo "witches" aka "skinwalker" after which the ranch was named, or any of the other claims, despite Bigelow's National Institute for Discovery Science setting up instruments to detect things

Las Vegas Based Scientists Study 'Skinwalker Ranch'

In 1995, the ranch came to the attention of NIDS, the National Institute for Discovery Science based in Las Vegas. NIDS bought the property and began an unprecedented scientific study. Observation posts were built. Video cameras were installed and operated. Scientific personnel and former lawmen were on the property 24-7 for 8 straight years. Dr. Colm Kelleher headed up the NIDS study.

I have several hypotheses, such as maybe the "experiencers" are what need to be studied rather than the properties. Maybe they can sense things that other people can't which may or may not exist in some form independently of their own brain. Perhaps that hypothesis or something like it was even evaluated by NIDS, since a security guard who worked there said he felt like he was a guinea pig in their experiments.

originally posted by: mirageman
He also says that the security guards were placed there, not as real security, as lab rats for some form of testing without their consent. Although the story seemed confusing back in 2012 this starts to make a lot of sense now. It might also make sense whey there are so many neuro-scientists on the board at TTSA!

Yes it does seem to make more sense now, though I still don't really understand why TTSA needs so many neuro-scientists.

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: Spacespider
Skinwalker Ranch was debunked long time ago.. so I do not buy that story.
There are no evidence that anything strange is going on at that place.
Only ghost stories and native legends.

How was it debunked?

How was it proven?

a reply to: Arbitrageur

Why does TTSA need so many Neuro-scientists?

If you are going to examine the "experiencers" then what part of their body are you going to look at? Their legs and arms?

As previously stated if under "examination in testing" you would want to monitor their brains, whether thats MRIs or otherwise. That makes logical sense to me...

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: Spacespider
Skinwalker Ranch was debunked long time ago.. so I do not buy that story.
There are no evidence that anything strange is going on at that place.
Only ghost stories and native legends.

How was it debunked?

No one in this universe have ever been able to provide any type of evidence of the incredible.
And ohh boy a lot of people have tried.. and all failed.
Some refused to accept defeat, and came up with even more ghost stories and bad excuses.

Providing recreation facilities; Arranging and conducting special events for social entertainment purposes; Entertainment services, namely, storytelling; Publishing of printed matter; Publishing of electronic publications; Entertainment services, namely, creation, development, production, and distribution of multimedia content, internet content, motion pictures, and television shows ...

Link

The ranch is now registered as an entertainment and multimedia production facility for a third party company called Adamantium.

Sound like any other company you might know?



But for whose 'entertainment' is this all for?

As far as I can find nothing went on at the ranch before the Bigelow era. James Carrion of MUFON was even refused permission to visit there while Bigelow was negotiating a contract with MUFON (funded with black money from the government).

It is my belief that there are forces at work here that “manage” Ufology for their own purposes... I am no longer comfortable with the MUFON-BAASS relationship. ...

...I financed my own trip to Utah with Dr. Frank Salisbury who was looking to republish his book ... Since the book covered the Uintah Basin...where the Bigelow Skinwalker Ranch is located, Salisbury sought and was denied access to the Ranch.

Through Dr. Salisbury, we were able to interview the brother of the original owner of the ranch who sold it to the Shermans who subsequently sold it to Bigelow. The ranch owner’s brother was adamant that there was no UFO or strange activity on the ranch prior to the Sherman’s purchase...

What I see in the MUFON-BAASS relationship is active management of MUFON’s work....

Link

*Note: At the time Carrion was unaware of who was sponsoring Bigelow. Which as we now know was the US government and managed through Bigelow.

The only people I can find that are telling us first hand that spooky stuff goes on at the ranch are the very people working for the government or Bigelow.

originally posted by: Spacespider

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: Spacespider
Skinwalker Ranch was debunked long time ago.. so I do not buy that story.
There are no evidence that anything strange is going on at that place.
Only ghost stories and native legends.

How was it debunked?

No one in this universe have ever been able to provide any type of evidence of the incredible.
And ohh boy a lot of people have tried.. and all failed.
Some refused to accept defeat, and came up with even more ghost stories and bad excuses.

Look up what the word debunked means. If someone sees a ufo, but was alone and did not have enough time to take a photo, does that mean it's been "debunked"?

The other big mystery of course is what they were really doing at Skinwalker Ranch when the AAWSAP contract for all intents and purposes was an assessment of foreign threats to U.S. defensive systems some 40 years into the future.

STATEMENT OF OBJECTIVES FOR THE ADVANCED AEROSPACE WEAPON SYSTEM APPLICATIONS PROGRAM

18 July 2008

1. BACKGROUND: The Acquisition Support Division (DWO-3) of the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) has the responsibility to provide guidance and oversight to the Department of Defense (DoD) acquisition process along with leveraging the DoD Intelligence Community to coordinate, produce and maintain projections of the future threat environment in which U.S. air, naval, ground, space, missile defense and information systems operate. In order to accurately assess the foreign threat to U.S. weapon systems, a complete as possible understanding of potential breakthrough technology applications employed in future aerospace weapon systems must be obtained.

2. OBJECTIVE: One aspect of the future threat environment involves advanced aerospace weapon system applications. The objective of this program is to understand the physics and engineering of these applications as they apply to the foreign threat out to the far term, i.e., from now through the year 2050. Primary focus is on breakthrough technologies and applications that create discontinuities in currently evolving technology trends. The focus is not on extrapolations of current aerospace technology. The proposal shall describe a technical approach which discusses how the breakthrough technologies and applications listed below would be studied and include proposed key personnel that have experience in those areas.

3. REQUIREMENTS:
a) The contractor shall complete advanced aerospace weapon system technical studies in the following areas:

1. lift
2. propulsion
3. control
4. power generation
5. spatial/temporal translation
6. materials
7. configuration, structure
8. signature reduction (optical, infrared, radiofrequency, acoustic)
9. human interface
10. human effects
11. armament (RF and DEW)
12. other peripheral areas in support of (1-11)

Link

The harcore TTSA fans will tell you that this is all cleverly worded and coded so "future threats" means alien technology. But I am not seeing it myself. Seems more like Bigelow and his long term chums being 'financially rewarded' for his compliance with the wishes of the MIC.

a reply to: mirageman

Weren't N.I.D.S messing about with cool stuff like the Hutchison Effect and remote viewing at that time ?
I guess doing it with tax payers money is better than using you own.

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: Spacespider

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: Spacespider
Skinwalker Ranch was debunked long time ago.. so I do not buy that story.
There are no evidence that anything strange is going on at that place.
Only ghost stories and native legends.

How was it debunked?

No one in this universe have ever been able to provide any type of evidence of the incredible.
And ohh boy a lot of people have tried.. and all failed.
Some refused to accept defeat, and came up with even more ghost stories and bad excuses.

Look up what the word debunked means. If someone sees a ufo, but was alone and did not have enough time to take a photo, does that mean it's been "debunked"?

There are lots of photographic and video evidence of UFO

There are none of that when it comes o skinwalker ranch.

And the complete lack of evidence for such a small location with so many people looking for it.
Is enough to call it case closed and debunked, as much as we want to believe, believing does not make it true.

a reply to: gortex

And there's the man in the video, Alexander, who for years claimed the US Government had no interest in UFOs and there were no studies being conducted right up until a couple of years ago.

His one time boss (at NIDS) obviously never mentioned BAASS and AAWSAP and of course AATIP to him in the past decade. Maybe that's because there wasn't any UFO studies going on at all and the only thing going on at the ranch was testing on human subjects? We know the good Colonel has had some interesting hobbies in the past.

originally posted by: Spacespider

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: Spacespider

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: Spacespider
Skinwalker Ranch was debunked long time ago.. so I do not buy that story.
There are no evidence that anything strange is going on at that place.
Only ghost stories and native legends.

How was it debunked?

No one in this universe have ever been able to provide any type of evidence of the incredible.
And ohh boy a lot of people have tried.. and all failed.
Some refused to accept defeat, and came up with even more ghost stories and bad excuses.

Look up what the word debunked means. If someone sees a ufo, but was alone and did not have enough time to take a photo, does that mean it's been "debunked"?

There are lots of photographic and video evidence of UFO

There are none of that when it comes o skinwalker ranch.

And the complete lack of evidence for such a small location with so many people looking for it.
Is enough to call it case closed and debunked, as much as we want to believe, believing does not make it true.

No, all we have here are witnesess, a lot of them. Even the scientist working there did see odd, strange stuff. So it has not been debunked at all! We just do not have the evidence to conclude what was happening there.

originally posted by: Jay-morris
Look up what the word debunked means. If someone sees a ufo, but was alone and did not have enough time to take a photo, does that mean it's been "debunked"?

a reply to: Jay-morris
I agree. I wouldn't use the word "debunked", but statistically speaking even MUFON admits that the majority of " If someone sees a ufo, but was alone and did not have enough time to take a photo" type reports end up being things like man-made objects or natural phenomena including astronomical objects, etc. Even mass sightings like the Yukon incident can result from misinterpretations.

So in the example of the UFO sighting you mention, instead of saying it's "debunked", I'd say the more applicable expression is rule of the internet #32 which is phrased several different ways with the same basic meaning:

Rule 32. Pics or Didn't Happen.
(Rule) 32. You must have pictures to prove your statements

In the case of Skinwalker Ranch, it's not the same situation because they DID have cameras set up! So when nothing shows up on the cameras in that case, claims of things which didn't show up on the cameras are either debunked or the result of incompetent camera placement etc. I read all kinds of sorry excuses for why there's no photographs to document skinwalker ranch events, but not a single good reason. Hence the Pigasus award the ranch received seems appropriate.

originally posted by: mirageman
But for whose 'entertainment' is this all for?
...
The only people I can find that are telling us first hand that spooky stuff goes on at the ranch are the very people working for the government or Bigelow.

And George Knapp which ties into your media and entertainment theme since he's Mr. media and entertainment, who I used to respect a lot more but as of late he seems more like a pawn on the chessboard, whose actions seem to be driven by the chess game players.

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: Spacespider

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: Spacespider

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: Spacespider
Skinwalker Ranch was debunked long time ago.. so I do not buy that story.
There are no evidence that anything strange is going on at that place.
Only ghost stories and native legends.

How was it debunked?

No one in this universe have ever been able to provide any type of evidence of the incredible.
And ohh boy a lot of people have tried.. and all failed.
Some refused to accept defeat, and came up with even more ghost stories and bad excuses.

Look up what the word debunked means. If someone sees a ufo, but was alone and did not have enough time to take a photo, does that mean it's been "debunked"?

There are lots of photographic and video evidence of UFO

There are none of that when it comes o skinwalker ranch.

And the complete lack of evidence for such a small location with so many people looking for it.
Is enough to call it case closed and debunked, as much as we want to believe, believing does not make it true.

No, all we have here are witnesess, a lot of them. Even the scientist working there did see odd, strange stuff. So it has not been debunked at all! We just do not have the evidence to conclude what was happening there.

So if a group of people told you they owned a hanger with a captured alien inside you will take it as "evidence"
interesting...