Alabama Senate passes nation’s most restrictive abortion ban

a reply to: Xcalibur254

1.) If life begins at conception, does that mean any child conceived on US soil is a US citizen?

Makes sense to me that citizenship be determined at that point. I just don't agree with birthright citizenship for illegally present parents, but that's a whole 'nother critter.

2.) If life begins at conception, does that mean child support payments should begin as soon as a woman knows she's pregnant?

Yes. It would have to be retroactive since there's no present way to prove fatherhood at conception, but yes. It should also include 1/2 of any and all medical costs incurred by the woman.

That would include the cost of an abortion.

3.) What about CHIPS? Shouldn't that kick in as soon as a woman becomes pregnant?

WIC already does, so sure... why not?

TheRedneck

It is against the very constitution of the nation.

a reply to: pheonix358

did'nt know there was a constitutional right to murder... oh i mean terminate a pregnancy

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: jaxnmarko

Why is it that a group made up of, I believe, entirely men (there may be a few women in the statehouse there)

What, men aren't allowed to make law anymore according to you?

Well, here's a little tip: the bill was sponsored by Terri Collins, a woman. It now goes to the Governor's desk... that would be Kay Ivey, a woman (who I am proud to support so far). Seems your belief is about as factual as the moon being made out of cheese. And even if it wasn't, how about this: every single politician in the statehouse was elected by women as well as men. Women get to vote in Alabama! How about that!

Here's an idea... I'll go along with this idea that men cannot vote in any way on any abortion-related issue if we can, at the same time, restrict women from voting on anything else. Hey, one idea makes as much sense as another!

TheRedneck

Which gender has all the power in the Alabama senate considering there are only four women members?

www.theguardian.com...

The same with Georgia.

www.ajc.com...

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Sorry you don't have the right to kill the unborn. I hope roe v wade is overturned.

Jaden

a reply to: underwerks

Using the government to regulate what a woman chooses to do with her body

no you see, that battle was fought with the sexual revolution in the 60s. nobody cares what a women does with her body, she can have sex with whoever she wants... their can be consequences to that, and killing thinks so you dont have to face them is not ok

a reply to: underwerks

If you're hooked up to me and I'm providing life support to you, do I have the right to unhook myself and walk away?

Not sure if it's still that way, but we were warned when I first learned CPR that the law says you cannot start CPR and simply walk away until medical personnel arrive and take over; you can be charged with negligent homicide or sued for wrongful death. The only way to ensure you are not charged is to literally pass out from exhaustion.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: Masterjaden
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Sorry you don't have the right to kill the unborn. I hope roe v wade is overturned.

Jaden

With the majority of judges being conservative now, it most certainly will be.

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originally posted by: olaru12
This is an orchestrated march into a fascist theocracy. Baby steps.

I agree; and with baby steps like this one we might be a fascist theocracy at some distant date. As a means to combat this progress we ought to shout down all decanting opions on the subject. That will really show these fascists how it's done.

a reply to: InTheLight

I am simply not going to get into that debate with you... all it does is change my mind and make me want to see Roe vs. Wade overturned.

You seem ignorant of the fact that half of those who voted for the legislators were female. You do know women get to vote?

TheRedneck

a reply to: InTheLight

Not going to happen. There's a lot of single issue voters on the Right that only care about abortion. If Roe v. Wade gets overturned there goes a large section of their base. Not to mention such a move would galvanize the Left.

If Roe v. Wade gets overturned then the Republicans can kiss their control goodbye for a while.

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: InTheLight

I am simply not going to get into that debate with you... all it does is change my mind and make me want to see Roe vs. Wade overturned.

You seem ignorant of the fact that half of those who voted for the legislators were female. You do know women get to vote?

TheRedneck

It is never that black and white. The point still remains that there is no equal and fair representation in the senates of your states.

a reply to: InTheLight

And how did Trump cause this silly bill to come about?

Come on, think! It's like certain people lose all sense of reason and comprehension once the 'A' word is used. This is one group of people who went overboard and did something stoopid. Period. You are arguing with people who would otherwise agree with you, just because you seem unable to even figure out who is responsible for what.

TheRedneck

I doubt that an overturn will occur before the next election...probably during Trump's next term, if that happens.

a reply to: InTheLight

Because a vote for Trump is a vote for fascism.

You know what we should do? Find ways to keep him and people like him off the ballet. Find ways to keep their voices silent. If we simply deny these people access to our system of governance we can really protect ourselves from fascism.

a reply to: InTheLight

The point still remains that there is no equal and fair representation in the senates of your states.

You know something? You're right.

So let me recant everything I have posted in this thread: I now hope Roe vs. Wade is struck down and we go back to a time when all abortions are illegal. Not because I think it would be a good thing; because I am sick and tired of being told I should be ashamed because I am male. You want women to be the victim? Let's do this!

This way maybe, just maybe, we can climb out of that hell without sacrificing all reason in the process and finally get some serious debate.

Thank you for opening my eyes.

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

I now hope Roe vs. Wade is struck down and we go back to a time when all abortions are illegal.

When was that?

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: InTheLight

The point still remains that there is no equal and fair representation in the senates of your states.

You know something? You're right.

So let me recant everything I have posted in this thread: I now hope Roe vs. Wade is struck down and we go back to a time when all abortions are illegal. Not because I think it would be a good thing; because I am sick and tired of being told I should be ashamed because I am male. You want women to be the victim? Let's do this!

This way maybe, just maybe, we can climb out of that hell without sacrificing all reason in the process and finally get some serious debate.

Thank you for opening my eyes.

TheRedneck

Well if it is overturned then society will have two deaths on their hands if women are forced to seek illegal abortions.

Luttrell points to Seay's comments while speaking with Bustle. "If the committee members cared about trusting doctors or trusting women, or if they cared about common sense or being medically and legally sound — as the bill’s sponsors claim — then they would listen to the lines of people blocking off their day to make their way to the capitol to testify in opposition to HB 481," she says. Indeed, after committee members voted to move the bill forward, protestors outside the room began chanting "shame, shame," according to video circulated on Twitter. "It is certainly not that they’ve not heard from their constituents," Luttrell says. "It’s just that they’re not listening."

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a reply to: Sookiechacha

That was back when young girls were found bleeding to death in alleys from a botched self-abortion attempt.

We have made a lot of progress since then, but apparently some people are not satisfied with making progress; they want to act like men are second-class citizens. I am not a second-class citizen, and if it takes returning to those days of horror to make things right, so be it.

I did not want to see the error of my ways, but I simply cannot ignore it any more. Abortion has become too messed up to fix what we have, so let's start all over again. REPEAL ROE vs. WADE!

TheRedneck