Alabama Senate passes nation’s most restrictive abortion ban

I’m glad to see your a fan of the constitution. The second admendment is my favorite one....a reply to: pheonix358

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: SailorJerry
a reply to: underwerks

The only narrative here is you saying that a woman doesn't own her body once she becomes pregnant.

No im saying she doesnt own the body inside of her.

I cant imagine being so dense you cant understand that, must make life really hard

I find it disgusting that you would let politics twist you around to the point you support something like that.

I find it absolutely disgusting that youre so far left that you think a baby isnt its own person, and that another person has the right to kill it.

Thats on your karma not mine

Let's do a little thought experiment:

If you're hooked up to me and I'm providing life support to you, do I have the right to unhook myself and walk away?

Do you believe the government has the right to force me to stay under threat of violence?

Bad example, if hes tied to you and you provide life support most doctors will try and save both by detaching. Assuming you woke up with him attached to you by mad scientist. However if you carry a child, is another subject. If I drink and drive I risk the chance of crashing or not reacting as good sober. The same as you raw dogging some chick without a condom or on the pill. You chose that, knowing what might happen. The same as drinking and driving. The results here instead of losing your life or someone else dying in a crash. You're pregnant with child.

You knew what might happen, you choose that. If you dont want the responsibility, adoption or maybe the bf does want the child? Sign him off for full custody rights and walk away.

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: InTheLight

You didn't read if you still use that. Hypocrite indeed.

I did read it - hypocrisy indeed.

a reply to: InTheLight

What Alabama and Georgia have done is mobilize millions of women for the democrats, they may have been independents, but they aren't anymore. Even conservative women want to control their own bodies with out government intrusion.

What a political disaster for the Republicans! The DNC didn't even have a plan for 2020, now they don't even need one.

These state abortion laws will not stand up in a lower court much less SCOTUS. The GOP must be facepalming tonite all over America. Republicans even in local elections will be affected.

originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: InTheLight

What Alabama and Georgia have done is mobilize millions of women for the democrats, they may have been independents, but they aren't anymore. Even conservative women want to control their own bodies with out government intrusion.

What a political disaster for the Republicans! The DNC didn't even have a plan for 2020, now they don't even need one.

These state abortion laws will not stand up in a lower court mush less SCOTUS. The GOP must be facepalming tonite all over America.

Do they really think women would move over and die?

a reply to: Tempter

Re: bigleaguepolitics.com...

Since God enabled this innocent little human being to exist, no human has a right to kill him/her. It's that simple.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Yes there is, on both counts.
Stand your ground!

First, "stand your ground" laws are state-enacted laws; there is no Federal law or 'right' to stand your ground. Alabama allows me to defend myself without a duty to retreat, aka stand my ground. California does not. That is the definition of a privilege, not a right.

Secondly, "stand your ground" does not allow anyone to kill another without just cause, aka self-defense. Abortion is not self-defense, unless the mother's life is in danger. In that case, even Alabama's new law allows for an abortion.

And finally, it is still legal to receive an abortion in Alabama. it is a felony to provide an abortion, just as it is a felony to provide assistance with suicide. No woman will be prosecuted under this new law. The comparison to "stand your ground" is therefore moot, as no stand your ground law allows someone to kill another for pay as a service.

TheRedneck

I'm there being all responsible and the condom breaks. Completely accidental pregnancy, oops! Oh well, got to have it now darling even though we can't afford it.

Don't they have the morning after pill in america?

Not being allowed to have an abortion after being brutally beaten up and gang raped to within an inch of your life? Crazy.

a reply to: DanDanDat

A very thoughtful and considered reply, I respect you taking the time on that.

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: uncommitted

I'm really confused, on the first page of this thread you were angry at the politicians in Alabama making you all in your state look like 'hicks' - your word, not mine, and you clearly seemed to be against this - now you've changed your mind because of what exactly?

I am assuming you intended this to me...

I changed my mind because I finally realized that no matter what position I take, as long as Roe vs. Wade stands, there is a substantial part of the population who will demand that I not have any say in making the laws of this country, regardless of what that opinion is, because I am a male. I wish that were not the case, because I would much prefer to work together to find a solution that everyone can accept. But I will not give up my right to be a part of the legal process in order to accomplish that.

I still feel great sympathy for those who will be caught in a legal trap; I still think this new bill is far less than desirable overall, but there is simply nothing I can do about that. In a perfect world, I would be agreeing with people like IntoTheLight and Sookiechacha on this, but we do not live in a perfect world; we live in a world where one side will lose everything. I do not wish to lose everything. That's what changed my mind.

Roe vs. Wade must go.

TheRedneck

What a strange reason!!! A little petulant if you don't mind me saying.

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: uncommitted
a reply to: Tempter

Such a backwards move for a country that likes to pretend it's the land of the free.

We don't have the freedom to murder. We may be the land of the free, but we also have laws.

Calling abortion murder doesn't make you big or clever. But that freedom to murder... you sure people have understood that?

a reply to: uncommitted

What a strange reason!!!

Really? I don't think so.

Want to see a decrepit old redneck turn into a green-skinned monster from the mind of Stan Lee? Hurt a child in front of me (and I am talking about hurting, not disciplining). I will fight you to my last breath in the midst of a convention of armed military special ops. I despise anyone who harms a child. I always have. The closest to being terrified I have ever been was when a guy committed suicide on my rear tandems (he was driving several times over the legal limit). The first thing I saw when I got to the car was the child seat in the back seat, and I nearly passed out. Thank you GOD it was empty... I couldn't have lived with myself, even though I was in no way at fault.

That's who I am. It's not going to change. Ten years after I die, don't hurt a kid near my grave unless you want to see the ghost of an old redneck rise from the dead to kick your rear. That's the way it is.

So when someone tells me that no, I shouldn't have any say in what happens to a defenseless child they want to kill, that's not going to set good with me. That is a personal challenge that I find very, very hard to turn down. Make that an entire movement determined to tell me to shut up and mind my own business while they do what they want to a child, and you've got a fight you will never win because I'll never stop coming at you. That's not petulant; that's me. If it takes removing Roe vs. Wade to stop that, so be it; I'll erase the damn thing myself!

I can (and do) have sympathy for the women caught in the middle of this idiotic debacle, but those who decided this is the hill they want to die on have created the problem; not me.

I'm just going to be there when the problem gets fixed.

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

But. You could retreat. Something a pregnant women won't be able to do. Lets say that your daughter has been coming home from school complaining about this creepy guy who keeps looking at her strangely and seems to be following her. Then one night you hear your front door being busted in and you find the creepy man in your house.
Does stand your ground laws allow you to shoot the strange man?
On what grounds? I mean he is in you space possibly stealing your property. Would an law allow you to use deadly force to protect your property?
Or you know your daughter is freaked our by him and by now you are also and probably see him as a danger to her. Does the law allow you to protect your daughter?
Or it's reasonable to assume the guy is a danger to every one in the house including you.
If you do pull the trigger and kill the man and the court disagrees with your decision how much time would you probably be serving in jail?

The only difference between my fictional story and any pregnant woman or child and her parents is that you could possibly grab your wallet and family and retreat.
You can not retreat from something growing inside you!!

a reply to: dawnstar

But. You could retreat.

No.

You need to read that post again. Never. It cannot happen any more than gravity can disappear form the face of the earth.

There is no retreat this time. You chose the hill to die on. Now let's do this.

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

Hey you want to discuss. Lets discuss. You act like its only you poor conservative men are the only ones being insulted on these boards when I can point you to boards where all you will find just about is insult after insult directed at liberals or women!! You are being told your opinion doesn't count because you are a male and I am being told mine doesn't because I focus too much on how the laws are going to effect too small of a number of people to be concerned about.
You want to discuss then discuss but of you just want to attack me because you don't like what I am saying well the maybe someone else can answer my questions or maybe I will run with what I think those answers are.

a reply to: dawnstar

Hey you want to discuss. Lets discuss.

Oh, I would love to discuss. If I thought it were possible, that is. For years, I have watched the steady creep of late term abortion, allegations of harvesting organs dismissed, and that same old tired "men shouldn't get to say what a woman can do" mantra. I put up with it. I held my tongue. I even started this thread out saying I disagreed with the new law and hoping it would not get Ivey's signature.

Then I was told to shut up, go sit in the corner; the women are talking.

There is a point where one is pushed too far, too fast, and there is a point of no return. Your movement reached that point, and crossed it, happily, gleefully. Now there's no going back. Missouri just passed a bill tougher than Alabama and more are coming. Roe vs. Wade is dead, gone, history. It's not coming back this time. It's all gone, and now that you realize the situation you are in, you want to discuss.

We'll discuss after the smoke clears. Maybe by then you'll really realize that you don't get to frame the discussion the way you want it. But I warn you now... one claim that others get no say, and we'll start all over again. That dog don't hunt.

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

Yes I saw your other thread. Gee think the pro-life crowd would consider expanding this non-factual abortion after birth story to include kids up to ten years. I'm thinking of writing a series of children's book featuring a character similar to slenderman who parents call when they get tired of them not listening to them. Think my character should have a bloody ax dragging behind him. Might even put some game add in the paper ya know like are your kids unruly?? Tired of having to tell them to clean their room? Call the abortionist today!!
Hey if we can convince the kids I bet Virginia could have the best behaved kids in the country. Probably the most traumatized also. But that's the price we might be willing to pay.
Just like you are acting like dead preteen girls is a worthy price to pay because someone hurt your little tender feelings.
That's okay. I'll just run with what I got.

a reply to: dawnstar

Just like you are acting like dead preteen girls is a worthy price to pay because someone hurt your little tender feelings.

Keep sensationalizing and trying to demean your opponents. You're making more of them more determined by the word.

Like I said, when the smoke clears... maybe...

TheRedneck

In some state's I believe you can shoot a person for just going on your land to snag a few berries. Or at least some think they can by all the "trespassers will be shot signs" I see around my neck of the woods.
And I may be wrong but I think in some placed you can shoot someone who breaks into your house to rob you or comes into your store to rob it.
And you can shoot someone who you feel presents a danger to you or your family.
Or at least people believe they are justified doing so.
And we just won't talk about some of the cops.
And as a nation we can kill thousands bomb their homes screw up their DNA which leaves future children horribly deformed for "national security" reasons which usually means securing sources of natural resources and preserving the position of the dollar as the reserve currency.
And this law as written will send doctors to prison for the rest of their lives for protecting a child from the emotional and physical damage that a pregnancy would cause her! And it wouldn't surprise me to learn that any parent that intervenes to save that child by taking her out of state or ordering pills online will also be facing jail.
I wonder. How much time did the cop that mistook the guy as someone breaking into her apartment when in fact she was in his get?
Or the cop who killed the mental health counselor who was just trying to to get the mentally I'll person to put his truck down?
Or the guy who shoot thru the door at the trick or treaters?
What about the dirt bags that make the preteens pregnant to begin with.
Any of those gonna get 90 year
sentences for their murders?

a reply to: TheRedneck
Lol I bet it won't be as many as will be brought to our side of any of these laws are passed and stories of dead children and women start hitting the papers.