Socialism: Legal Plunder Premised on False Philanthropy

a reply to: dfnj2015

" I'm voting for Bernie "

Ok , you maybe Lookin' for a Decent Job too Mr. Alien ? Bernie ain't gonna get you Squat , I would Pay you a Decent Salary for some " Performance " on the Job , you Game ? That's How it Works..........)

originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: TheSteppenwolf

Ok, that’s all right, (slowly steps back), good boy/girl, you enjoy your thread, your beliefs and what ever
Good luck with that


www.thebalance.com...

Incredibly write an op on socialism and doesn’t understand it

Incredible that you think your IQ means you understand a word that was said to you in this thread. Move along please. Socialism is the 1st step to Communism according to your apparent hero Marx. Some of us here came from Cuba and other Socialist dictatorship, not me but some here. They will let you know you are under the assumption, bad thing to assume, the YOU can understand how to use Socialism the RIGHT way. No, I think NOT.

Now I am a Marxist, your arguing skills are pretty childish
If I am a Marxist then the US is a Marxist state, losers, just you?

I didn’t advocate communism, nor did I advocate Marxism, socialist society or dictatorships.
I said some forms of socialism exist and work well if kept in check

Socialism is not the first step to anything, it can be but it might not be either.

Clearly education in the US is not affordable for everyone, more is the pity.

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: Raggedyman

" Unfortunately you seem serious
It’s tragic, socialism is a necessity and if used properly benefits our society greatly "


You Need a Real Job Boy ? I'll Accommodate you . You Give me an Honest Days Work , I Pay you U.S. Cash . That's How it " Works " here in the Good Ole U.S. Freakin' A. Son . If not , Move the Hell on ......

Hey Zanti, I am in the top 1%, I wouldn’t work for you, doubt you could afford to pay me, I probably wouldn’t even offer you a job
Probably drop a note or two in your coffee cup when you hit hard times

It’s clear to see what’s wrong with the US

LOL , Yo Knucklehead , I Own an LLC. , Painting Contractor . GTFOOHAH...............

a reply to: Zanti Misfit

Don’t know what an LLC is my Luddite friend but I wouldn’t work for you your money or let you near my home
Trust me zanti, you couldn’t afford me anyway

But I digress into the fun of banter

Socialism if used, controlled and kept in check is a very useful tool that helps build
Communities

originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: TheSteppenwolf

Ok, that’s all right, (slowly steps back), good boy/girl, you enjoy your thread, your beliefs and what ever
Good luck with that


www.thebalance.com...

Incredibly write an op on socialism and doesn’t understand it

You’re own link refutes you. Pretty funny.

originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: Zanti Misfit

Don’t know what an LLC is my Luddite friend but I wouldn’t work for you your money or let you near my home
Trust me zanti, you couldn’t afford me anyway

But I digress into the fun of banter

Socialism if used, controlled and kept in check is a very useful tool that helps build
Communities

So you can't form a proper sentence, don't know what an LLC is but you know that socialism is good.

Seems legit!

And for the record, if you have to brag that you are the 1% on the internet?

You are SO not the 1%.

originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: TheSteppenwolf

I'm voting for Bernie. I like the idea of strengthening this country by getting rid of college debt. I rather get rid of college debt than continue dropping 30,000 bombs in the Middle East every year. Do you honestly think dropping 30,000 bombs per year in the Middle East is going to bring peace to the ME? I predict 10 years, 20 years, 30 years, 50 years, and 100 years from now people will be killing each other in the Middle East. At least getting rid of college debt does something positive for change.

It would be pretty nice to be able to borrow something and not have to give it back, wouldn’t it? But that’s an injustice no different than theft.

a reply to: TheSteppenwolf

When you speak of the law having to enforce fraternity? That is social justice, is it not?

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: TheSteppenwolf

When you speak of the law having to enforce fraternity? That is social justice, is it not?

“Enforced fraternity” is a phrase Bastia used, but your point is well made. That sounds about right to me.

a reply to: Raggedyman

" Don’t know what an LLC is "


Born in a Cave my friend ,You sound like a Phony to me .........

a reply to: Zanti Misfit

Just not an American, irrespective, don’t need your money your work or anything else.
You have nothing I want
Funny thing is, you have a limited liability, so effectively others take responsibility for your

In my humble opinion, socialism is a response to the inevitable 1% who always buy out every factory, every mine, and every forest and field until the only way to make a living is by selling the only resource not yet owned, which is our time on Earth. When your time starts being worth less and less due to economic global warming, it's not surprising that the general public begins to think about making resources a civil right and not a privilege or commodity to be purchased. Because in the end, the only people not suffering are the ones who play a great game of monopoly and socialism is an antidote to such practices. But that's just my two cents.

a reply to: Lumenari

Oh yeah I am so 1% Lumes, I live in Australia, you yanks would envy what we have if you only knew. I know Americans in Australia who describe parts of the US as third world.
Brag? Not really, it’s just where I was born, blessed if anything
I didn’t set up this society but I appreciate what others have implemented

And happy to be part of a semi socialist society
Born in a public hospital provided for by my taxes I might add
Do you have that?

a reply to: TzarChasm

I think you might be shocked to see how much wealth that 1% needs to be in that 1% category
Irrespective, socialism isn’t all bad

originally posted by: TheSteppenwolf

originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: TheSteppenwolf

Ok, that’s all right, (slowly steps back), good boy/girl, you enjoy your thread, your beliefs and what ever
Good luck with that


www.thebalance.com...

Incredibly write an op on socialism and doesn’t understand it

You’re own link refutes you. Pretty funny.

Maybe that might be your comprehension skills steppin, that link doesn’t refute me at all
The link details the advantages and disadvantages of socialism
I never denied or suggested socialism hasn’t problems

Does your own society deny help to these people
From my link, supporting some benefits of socialism

“Examples of the greater social needs include transportation, defense, education, health care, and preservation of natural resources. Some also define the common good as caring for those who can't directly contribute to production. Examples include the elderly, children, and their caretakers. “


And look at this, socialist/ capitalist countries that thrive
The following countries have strong socialist systems:

“Norway, Sweden, and Denmark: The state provides health care, education, and pensions. But these countries also have successful capitalists. The top 10% of each nation's people hold more than 65% of the wealth. That's because most people don't feel the need to accumulate wealth since the government provides a great quality of life.”

We can throw Australia in there as well

And

“Many other countries, such as Ireland, France, Great Britain, Netherlands, New Zealand, and Belgium have strong socialist parties. Their governments provide a high level of social support. But most businesses are privately owned. This makes them essentially capitalist”

Yet you are saying that socialism is bad though these Western Societies all as liveable or more liveable than any city in the US are suffering, failing and my link refutes me

Your education system is failing you or you failed your education system, hope you failed and not your whole system is failing because the link doesn’t refute me at all

The link states matter of factly what is and isn’t socialism, the failures and benefits of socialism in the listed countries

But it’s ok, you are welcome to be terrified of socialism, boogie men coming to get yah

a reply to: Raggedyman

Sorry for being cheeky there, but hear me out.

None of that stuff is socialism according to the definition of socialism, where workers or the people own the means of production. Everything you mentioned, from universal healthcare to welfare, were conceived and implemented in capitalist, liberal countries.

Welfare states, or the Nordic model, are built on a capitalist system with private property. Your quotes even say “Their governments provide a high level of social support. But most businesses are privately owned. This makes them essentially capitalist”.

originally posted by: TzarChasm
In my humble opinion, socialism is a response to the inevitable 1% who always buy out every factory, every mine, and every forest and field until the only way to make a living is by selling the only resource not yet owned, which is our time on Earth. When your time starts being worth less and less due to economic global warming, it's not surprising that the general public begins to think about making resources a civil right and not a privilege or commodity to be purchased. Because in the end, the only people not suffering are the ones who play a great game of monopoly and socialism is an antidote to such practices. But that's just my two cents.

Socialist countries have done far worse for the environment. Look at Chernobyl or the Ariel sea, or the pollution in Beijing, whereas capitalist countries invent electric cars and alternative energy.

North Korea is socialism. Venezuela is socialism. Mugabe’s Zimbabwe is socialism. Everyone suffers under socialism.

originally posted by: TheSteppenwolf
a reply to: Raggedyman

Sorry for being cheeky there, but hear me out.

None of that stuff is socialism according to the definition of socialism, where workers or the people own the means of production. Everything you mentioned, from universal healthcare to welfare, were conceived and implemented in capitalist, liberal countries.

Welfare states, or the Nordic model, are built on a capitalist system with private property. Your quotes even say “Their governments provide a high level of social support. But most businesses are privately owned. This makes them essentially capitalist”.

I would agree that socialism should refer to ownership of means of production, however
It falls under socialism as used in your OP so would a legitimate point by Raggedyman.

originally posted by: TheSteppenwolf
a reply to: Raggedyman

Sorry for being cheeky there, but hear me out.

None of that stuff is socialism according to the definition of socialism, where workers or the people own the means of production. Everything you mentioned, from universal healthcare to welfare, were conceived and implemented in capitalist, liberal countries.

Welfare states, or the Nordic model, are built on a capitalist system with private property. Your quotes even say “Their governments provide a high level of social support. But most businesses are privately owned. This makes them essentially capitalist”.

Again I am going with comprehension skills
I am not a socialist, I am a Christian, hate communism, hate the idea of a government controlling it’s people, against communism and a socialist state, clear?
But
I can see the value in “some” socialist policies. But not only me, many people in other Western societies can as well, that’s why they exist in some Western Societies.
I can see that some socialist policies work and take care of people who need help

That is what I have been saying all along, Western society is based on people working for money, great.
Capitalism mostly but we have a responsibility to people who can’t afford basic human services and I am happy to pay tax and allow those to receive those basic services and benefits.
Friend just got legal aid, might be able to fight a corrupt charge he would have had to accept if he didn’t get legal aid, that is socialism

Nowhere have I suggested socialism across the board or supported state sponsored socialist regimes.
I am happy to live in community, help when I can and be helped if necessary.

Are those things stated by the article socialists, according to the article they are socialist. So capitalist liberal countries like mine can instigate socialist agenda and they can work and be helpful without turning a country into a socialist run basket case
I was just reporting what was written

originally posted by: TheSteppenwolf

originally posted by: TzarChasm
In my humble opinion, socialism is a response to the inevitable 1% who always buy out every factory, every mine, and every forest and field until the only way to make a living is by selling the only resource not yet owned, which is our time on Earth. When your time starts being worth less and less due to economic global warming, it's not surprising that the general public begins to think about making resources a civil right and not a privilege or commodity to be purchased. Because in the end, the only people not suffering are the ones who play a great game of monopoly and socialism is an antidote to such practices. But that's just my two cents.

Socialist countries have done far worse for the environment. Look at Chernobyl or the Ariel sea, or the pollution in Beijing, whereas capitalist countries invent electric cars and alternative energy.

North Korea is socialism. Venezuela is socialism. Mugabe’s Zimbabwe is socialism. Everyone suffers under socialism.

You have completely ignored TCs point here

When the extremely wealthy get to wealthy and powerful, like the French Revolution, the peasants revolt
Socialism rises and the powerful are destroyed, like that movie Hunger Games

Capitalism can become as equally evil as socialism, there needs to be a balance


And those countries you have listed are dictatorships, not just socialist countries.
It doesn’t matter the politics or religion, they can and are always perverted.
We are on the cusp of a dynamic shift where capitalism will be totally corrupted I believe