Trans[gender] Fact Checker: The Reality Behind the Myths

So what you are saying is Men DON'T make the best womans?

hmmmm

But they gave that lady an award.

originally posted by: Lysergic
So what you are saying is Men DON'T make the best womans?

hmmmm

But they gave that lady an award.

Well, if you're going to put it that way, I guess I am saying that.

Although I have been told right here on ATS that they are in fact better "women" than women... go figure, eh?

a reply to: RainbowPhoenix

So if there were enough people here to fill up your echo chamber you would stay and have a conversation? Or would that just entail your ehco chamber yelling "BIGOT!" over everyone else?

a reply to: Boadicea

She doesn't have to do jack. Why does she have to feel any type of way about something someone ELSE did or may do? Because they're trans it automatically makes all trans people bad? That's really just the gist of all your horsecrap you spew about trans people on this site. For some reason your either too much of a coward or just to stupid to realize it. And she needs to acknowledge what? That people do bad crap sometimes? Sounds more like you'd like her to take responsibility for someone elses actions all the while advocating for restricition of her freedoms based off of what someone MAY do.

Do you feel the same outrage or guilt yourself when a cis woman kills her newborn? How about drowns her children in a bathtub? Or murders her husband for no good reason? Or is it just the wrong doings of the people you claim you don't hate that you're so worried about?

You're a terf and you're a bigot. Plain and simple.
You're mad because the equality act will most likely pass and there's not a damn thing you can do about it. Good....about damn time we get the same rights as everybody else. The equality act also protects trans people from being fired or not hired for being trans, it protects trans people from being denied housing just because they're trans. School and other forms of discrimination that can hinder trans people's lives in a negative way are also covered in the equality act and your against it because??? "Ew a trans women might use the same bathroom as me" and basically thought crimes is all you got. I'd say the good outweighs the paranoid delusions you see as bad.

But yea you don't hate trans people, specifically trans women..... Its just that 85 percent of us are really just women hating, child molesting, autogenyephiles 😏 whatever makes you feel better I guess.

a reply to: Boadicea

As a skeptic of the transgender movement (read: vast majority of transgender subjects are attention seeking bandwagon opportunists) I very much appreciate your diligent research on the candid backside of this topic and applaud your courage in posting it. Consider me educated and I will share when the opportunity presents. Star and flag.

a reply to: RainbowPhoenix

Don't let it get to you to much sweetie! From one trans woman to another, at least we can take solace in the fact that the majority of people don't think that way about trans people. And I think you're right, it has to be for the same 12 people, I mean seriously does this lady really think people worth a s$%$ are really reading her transphobic threads every week really taking it to heart 😂😂😭 the only people paying attention are the people who already think less of people like us. But mabey she needs it? Probably fills the emptiness in some way or another.

I don't bother replying either, I just say my peace for the people who may not be completely brainwashed by fear and hatred but other than that, i'm just here for the lols.....in that aspect ats excels.

a reply to: Jg513

Big big sad sigh...

Of course no one has to do anything... we all have the right to say "no" and I am very loudly and proudly saying not just "no" but "HELL NO!!!" to those issues which bring harm to others in the name of "trans rights". But they aren't rights. They are entitlements which actually impose on the genuine rights of others. And the safety of others.

For example, women have an enumerated right to sex-exclusive spaces. We have the right to say "no" to men -- i.e., male bodied persons -- entering and using these spaces. If trans persons want their own spaces, they can lobby for them. I may even support them. But they do not have the right to demand entry and usage of our spaces. Period.

And especially with self-ID, which would allow any and all men -- including violent and predatory men -- entry and usage of our spaces.

I get it. You don't give a rats patootie about the safety, privacy and dignity of women and children. You don't care if they get hurt. You don't care if they are preyed upon and molested and victimized.

And it is exactly this willful narcissistic and depraved disregard for the safety and rights of others by Trans Activists that I am saying "HELL NO" to.

And for the record, I have never and would never accuse all trans identifying men of being violent, nor have I ever accused all men of being violent. I have only noted the documented and known truth that trans identifying men retain the same disproportionate rates of violence as all men. including sexual violence. Nor have I ever denied that women can be violent.

We cannot prevent every eventuality... but we can sure anticipate, prepare for and minimize risks and opportunities. Which is exactly why sex-exclusive spaces were created in the first place, and the numbers prove nothing is changed.

a reply to: Jg513

Hey thanks for stepping in and saying what I was too emotionally compromised to articulate. These threads almost always get me riled up being such a personal issue and once I’m boiling I can’t really think clearly about what I want to say as anger clouds my mind. I’ve done this dance a few times here and have learned to just walk away before I start ranting and just making myself look silly. Even a Lion knows it’s time to retreat when Hyenas start to swarm.

originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: Boadicea

As a skeptic of the transgender movement (read: vast majority of transgender subjects are attention seeking bandwagon opportunists) --

Thank you -- I tend to agree. I think the truly gender dysphoric represents a relatively small percentage at this point, as well as the ones with violent tendencies that I worry about. But for the most part, it's basically a LARP (for want of a better word).

I very much appreciate your diligent research on the candid backside of this topic and applaud your courage in posting it.

Thank you again for appreciating the information. There is a dark side to this -- and a very very dark side! -- that needs to be known and understood by everyone. Both the trans community and the general public. And I try to keep myself focused and specific. It sure isn't easy sometimes though.

Consider me educated and I will share when the opportunity presents. Star and flag.

Biggest thank you of all! Yes -- do please share. Especially in regards to the Equality Act here in the USA, or the similar consultations in Great Britain, etc. The people need to know, and have a right to know.

If we can get the crap out of the way, then maybe we can have a productive and responsible discussion!

a reply to: Jg513

It's not cool to talk trash about your fellow ATSers... and it's against the T&Cs.

I'm right here. Talk to me. Not about me.

I mean, duh....

Once you got a dick it's not like you want to get rid of it.

Fact...the only way to make a baby and replenish the human race is between a Male and female

A large percentage of the population are having sex wrong....

Your doing it wrong.....really couldn't be more straight forward.

a reply to: Jg513

what part of the OP is wrong? If you want to educate us to the correct views on gender dysphoria, please do it. But to just have a side conversation about how mean folks are is weak. I don't know any Trans people in real world, so my views are limited to interactions here. So far, lots of emotion, few facts.

a reply to: RainbowPhoenix

But you didn't walk away did you? You still came to the thread choosing to take it as a personal attack on yourself, which it wasn't. This is the problem that won't go away......facts....which is what the OP was stating. No-one knows the gender of anyone on these anonymous forums unless they state it....you came right out and stated you were trans and proceeded to be offended on behalf of every other trans on the planet instead of ignoring it. That was a choice as was your attack on Boadicea for having an opinion that differed to your own which made you "so boiling angry it clouds your mind". If you are getting that angry about words on a screen, I suggest you get some help and talk to someone.

You should be happy that you are living your chosen life with the freedoms & rights you have because believe me, if you were living in many other places you'd seriously have something to complain about!

a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

You don’t know what your talking about so just stfu, I’ve been in many other conversations here before especially on this topic where it came up. The original person I was responding to very well knew that as they went out of their way to call me a man several times. I’ve authored multiple threads on it, I’m not a new member, I’ve been around for awhile. Now any other false assertions you’d like to make. Im so sick of all you trash people.

a reply to: Jg513
Everyone needs to snap back I to reality. There is no her no she. Men are men whether they mutilate their body with surgery And cocktails of chemicals and hormones or just wear wigs and a dress. Same goes for women who think they are guys. No sorry, your a lady.

The good news is, with six more years still our administration can likely succeed in reversing all the harm to society that Obama allowed to happen during his tenure.

I had to walk out of a job interview last year because my supervisor would have been some guy that wears make-up And apparently had breast implants. Not going to happen. People like that in authority positions are always bullies levying threats for refusing to indulge in their insanity. I like the job I ended up with better anyways.

a reply to: Bloodworth

Let's not go down that route.

People are free to do as they wish. They are not free to force the rest of us into uncomfortable or unsafe places or circumstances as a result or even into places where we have things that are ours erased. And that's the outgrowth of the current trans movement.

Women's sports are being erased by the idea that all you have to do is identify as a woman to compete there. You don't have to physically be a woman. When that happens, you erase the idea that women's sports were women's sports because it was recognized that women are physically less powerful and capable than men. I understand that certain aspects of feminism would like to ignore this reality, but it is a reality.

Women's locker and changing rooms are being made into co-ed spaces by this. I cannot be assured that I won't turn around find myself sharing space with a naked biological male because of this trans push. I don't care how much this person thinks he's a she. What I see is a naked man. What other women see is a naked man. What little girls see is a naked man. Our comfort and sense of safety is being sacrificed so that transpeople can feel better and more comfortable themselves. Their discomfort is being forced on us. *They* don't care one bit because they have what they want. You can see the reaction already from one -- speak out and you're a TERF and bigot. Those are nasty, degrading terms. But all we're doing is what any woman does when a naked man invades her space.

a reply to: RainbowPhoenix

Your insults and hostility is neither necessary nor appropriate. But very telling.

Yes, you have been here for a while, and yes, you have weighed in on these topics before... I remember. And I remember very clearly you telling me once that you had lived a lifetime of pain and so you didn't care who got hurt as long as you got what you wanted.

I remember. Very clearly.

Your words now are confirming your words then. Consider this carefully as you rage that we dare discuss this matter.

And consider very carefully how your words influenced me and others then... how they are influencing me and others now... and will continue to influence us...

a reply to: ketsuko

Bravo! Well said!!!

Women have rights and protections based on our sex -- female -- and our biological reality thereof.

Changing the definition of "woman" to fit their image is a gross deceit and violation of our rights and protections.

It's also a great threat to the safety of women and girls, in both private spaces and in sporting events.

a reply to: Boadicea

Blah blah blah got it. You don't mind treating people less than you and restricting rights to be free based off of THOUGHT crimes. Based on something someone may do. So its okay for me to be fired just because im trans? Or to be denied an apartment or able to rent a house because im trans? How are those entitlements? Thats covered umder the equality act as well. I know you wont actually answer those imprtant questions cause it makes your whole standpoint look like the hateful crap it is. Its better to apeal to emotion and claim people are narcissistic with your google phd . And keep in mind, cause I know you transphobes will try, thats not me saying uncle sam should provide me with a job just because i'm trans, but that I can't be fired because I am....which is still very legal in half the country and a real possibility for trans and gay people. And statistics are like assholes, everybody and every group has them. It doesnt make the b.s you spew true. Kinda like the b.s statistic you provided about trans women not getting full srs. You wanna make it seem like its because they're " really not trans" and there just perverts and criminals using being trans as a means to expliot people. When the reality is that srs is extremely expensive and most insurances unless your lucky, wont cover it. It has nothing to do with them wanting to not fully transition and everything to do with income to actually get the surgery.

This is why I claim your a bigot and a terf. You use your statistics and fear of something you don't understand, without any form of critical thought to paint a whole community in a bad light. You don't have to come out and say that your a terf or a bigot boadecia, the proof is in the pudding. Seriously would bet my life savings that if it were up to you trans people would be round up and put in cages.


Further more, to kill two birds with one stone answer another moronic poster, I really don't give a damn about sports. Despite what most of you nutjobs think, i'm actually inclined to agree with you on that matter, I don't think someone who has been a champion weight lifter as a male should be able to transition and be competing with females. But they should be ABLE to transition. Thats where our shared opinion on the matter ends becuase we all know you don't think people should be able to transition at all. On top of that, not all transwomen have the advantages ya'll wanna complain about. Trans women who were lucky enough to take puberty blockers(which we all know you don't agree with either) before the advantages of male puberty don't have the advantages of male muscle mass and bone density that your camp points to. But instead of being consistant and fair, its alot easier to just bar a whole community from something regardless of who your broad generalizations hurt.

Wanna stop violent criminals and rapists boadecia? Then how about using that right to "yell hell no" and go yell at the polticians and the prison system that keeps letting these violent criminals out of jail in the damn first place. And oh so classic I " dont care about violence against women and children" puhhhhhlease. I guess it's alot easier to just blow smoke out of your ass than to actually come up with a valid argument of why you think its ok to punish people for crimes they haven't even commited.

Funny you claim to care about children so much. Wheres all your posts on the catholic church. Like I said before your just mad because pretty soon your opinion on the matter wont mean a thing. ...boohoo😫😫😫😫