This is why I believe in the death penalty

We all know what color he was too

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: vonclod

originally posted by: Gothmog
a reply to: lowballer

Prosecutors and cops many times rush wrong person to judgment.

Good thing they are not judges and jurors , huh ?
Geez

Jurors..lmao, like they are some kind of gold standard.

Basically , yes.
Been one multiple times.
You ?

Perhaps it was not even considered that would actually solidify his point, rather than weaken it?

a reply to: Nothin

Ha

No offence to Gothmog, he did his civic duty.

I just don't have tremendous faith in the legal system. Jurors are just regular people, selected by prosecutors or defence lawyers because either figure they can sway them. They may not see relevant evidence, or be presented false evidence.
A judge see's it all, and has the schooling to sort it out..not that judges don't get it wrong. Prosecutors only care about winning, and will ignore, or bar evidence that may show a defendant may not be guilty..has happened lots.
The system is broken!

a reply to: vonclod

Agreed, and well said.

The the counterpoint was the not only unwillingness, or inability to question such a failed system: but the participating in, and promotion of such inequity, as a valid and respectable system.

a reply to: AlexandrosTheGreat

Torture damages the torturer fully as much as the torturee...and what is the purpose of such actions?

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: AlexandrosTheGreat

Torture damages the torturer fully as much as the torturee...and what is the purpose of such actions?

The purpose is that people who commit heinous acts like toddler porn, deserve pain and death.

On the web there are thousands or videos of men raping babies.
Pretty haredore evidence, you think these people should be unharmed?

a reply to: MisterSpock

Why wouldn't it be a viable choice? Because LOTS of innocent go to their deaths. The state has no interest in proving anyone innocent, and everyone cut loose on DNA evidence after 10 yes on death row has done so with independent funds and independent investigation. The state literally executes those it KNOWS to be innocent. And there's this: it costs more to execute someone than to let them do life in prison.

a reply to: Bloodworth

Killed? Certainly. Where've I said otherwise? Please, do point that out to me.

Kill them, and have done with it. It teaches them nothing.

They're the monsters, remember?? Not us...supposedly.

Maybe i got the wrong guy.

Looking for people who dont want to kill child rapist.

Trying to figure out their malfunction

a reply to: JAGStorm

Way I look at it..You take a life for personal gain..you forfeit your own..you destroy an innocent life for personal gain....you forfeit your own....simple..

There is enough technology out there to find lies ..that if used correctly would ensure that bleeding hearts would have the full blown evidence and come to their senses and realise...there are some really bad people out there....you can incarcerate these people...but the judicial systems give a limited time of incarceration.....meanwhile you as the taxpayer shells out and pays for their upkeep....My opinion ....look at it this way...look at your life and moving amongst people in cities..how safe do you feel?...we all here about some horrible incident someone dies by anothers hand....but we rarely hear of.....Justice..

"Way I look at it..You take a life for personal gain..you forfeit your own..you destroy an innocent life for personal gain....you forfeit your own....simple.."

a reply to: shuck

Aye. Lol

Just worried about getting a red dot on my letter box lol.

a reply to: Bloodworth

Apparently.

My views on the death penalty are very simple. Less is more, because you can't fix death.

You'd better get it right the first time, 'cause, ain't no do overs afterwards. You don't get to say oops.

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: Bloodworth

Apparently.

My views on the death penalty are very simple. Less is more, because you can't fix death.

You'd better get it right the first time, 'cause, ain't no do overs afterwards. You don't get to say oops.

Of course it's almost 2020 with video evidence things are pretty clear.
Many kidnap victims who escape after years
Many videos of Child rapist
Many terrorist attacks using cars and other weapons who are apprehended at the scene.

And sadly many who defend and ask to spare their lives opting to provide many amenities to them fo life

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: JAGStorm

How about those who are executed but later found to have been innocent ?

The statistical probability of that is much lower than the odds of dying in a traffic accident. By your logic, I shouldn't want to drive a car unless it were 100% certain I would get to my destination alive.

We are taking a chance (of accidentally suffering a false conviction) by allowing the death penalty, but if we take that chance, we get something else in return.

Most law abiding Americans aren't terribly frightened of death. It's an American tradition not to fear death.

Hence, we also don't fear inflicting it.

originally posted by: BrianFlanders
I believe in the death penalty because I don't believe a rabid dog is evil (I don't believe in supernatural forces). Just beyond help. You wouldn't torture a rabid dog to death for eating someone's child. You'd just euthanize the dog. Best outcome for everyone.

Yeah. I look at violent crime as being like a kind of disease which, instead of killing its host, results in the death of those around the host.

The answer to most diseases, unless you have a sure cure, is to quarantine. Quarantine solutions aren't fair, and aren't meant to be fair. They are simply the best possible outcome, sometimes.

Clearly, if we were able to put a chip in a person's brain, or have them take a pill, and they would be cured of their desire to do what they do, we would prefer that option. (Or..... that is if you don't mind that we're depriving them of free will.)

The grave is the one quarantine that nobody ever escapes from.

originally posted by: Bloodworth

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: AlexandrosTheGreat

Torture damages the torturer fully as much as the torturee...and what is the purpose of such actions?

The purpose is that people who commit heinous acts like toddler porn, deserve pain and death.

On the web there are thousands or videos of men raping babies.
Pretty haredore evidence, you think these people should be unharmed?

To quote the Godfather "Don't hate your enemies. It clouds your judgement."

Simple attrition is enough. Darwinism will eventually do the rest.

Kill enough of these people (or at least prevent them having a chance to mate), and their genetic predisposition will eventually die out entirely.

People who do that kind of stuff are responding to an innate instinct. Hopefully one they possess and most of the rest of us do not. (Or one the rest of us are capable of controlling.)

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: JAGStorm

How about those who are executed but later found to have been innocent ?

The statistical probability of that is much lower than the odds of dying in a traffic accident. By your logic, I shouldn't want to drive a car unless it were 100% certain I would get to my destination alive.

We are taking a chance (of accidentally suffering a false conviction) by allowing the death penalty, but if we take that chance, we get something else in return.

Most law abiding Americans aren't terribly frightened of death. It's an American tradition not to fear death.

Hence, we also don't fear inflicting it.

originally posted by: BrianFlanders
I believe in the death penalty because I don't believe a rabid dog is evil (I don't believe in supernatural forces). Just beyond help. You wouldn't torture a rabid dog to death for eating someone's child. You'd just euthanize the dog. Best outcome for everyone.

Yeah. I look at violent crime as being like a kind of disease which, instead of killing its host, results in the death of those around the host.

The answer to most diseases, unless you have a sure cure, is to quarantine. Quarantine solutions aren't fair, and aren't meant to be fair. They are simply the best possible outcome, sometimes.

Clearly, if we were able to put a chip in a person's brain, or have them take a pill, and they would be cured of their desire to do what they do, we would prefer that option. (Or..... that is if you don't mind that we're depriving them of free will.)

The grave is the one quarantine that nobody ever escapes from.

originally posted by: Bloodworth

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: AlexandrosTheGreat

Torture damages the torturer fully as much as the torturee...and what is the purpose of such actions?

The purpose is that people who commit heinous acts like toddler porn, deserve pain and death.

On the web there are thousands or videos of men raping babies.
Pretty haredore evidence, you think these people should be unharmed?

To quote the Godfather "Don't hate your enemies. It clouds your judgement."

Simple attrition is enough. Darwinism will eventually do the rest.

Kill enough of these people (or at least prevent them having a chance to mate), and their genetic predisposition will eventually die out entirely.

People who do that kind of stuff are responding to an innate instinct. Hopefully one they possess and most of the rest of us do not. (Or one the rest of us are capable of controlling.)

Dont hate your enemies, just kill enough of them.
I'm sure we can put emotions aside and kill all child rapist without prejudice.

Or we can go apocalypse now style and terminate with extreme prejudice.

Either way they gots to go, not be taken care of

I am for bringing the death penalty back to the UK.
I am not sure why they got rid of death sentences here to be honest, but due to an increase in prison violence recently, I'd say bringing it back would help to remove the worst cases from prisons and help prisoners who are more or less forced to be around them.

I've never been to a prison so I wouldn't know but I think it's really screwed up that someone who might be selling drugs or is in for theft or whatever, will get stabbed, raped or murdered within a week or two being there.
Everything in this country is backwards nowadays, It's just going to get worse.

IMO death penalty works for some cases.

The death penalty does not act as a deterrant because those committing heinious crimes never intend to get caught.

You would think the death penalty cases would be low in countries like Saudi Arabia, China and so on but they are worse than the USA. The Saudis just beheaded 37 people on violent crime in one day.

I agree with the death penalty but only as a means to remove violent people that refuse to live peacefully with everyone else. It should not be used as revenge or a deterrant.

For people that want to make them go out with as much pain as possible are no better than the killers and should be watched. There are many cases of people carrying out justice in tit for tat killings.

The easiest way to remove them is to give them a tablet of fentanyl. It takes very little to put them down and as we have seen recently, is cheap to produce. The subject is removed.

originally posted by: surfer_soul
a reply to: Blue Shift

And if innocent people occasionally get killed, that's a price that we as a society are willing to pay to keep it

So what you’re saying is murder is wrong and so should be punished with murder even when the accused maybe innocent because you get to keep the death penalty?

Some logic there...

If we follow the logic through, if a person is killed and was later found innocent, then it becomes a murder, and the ones that would support it with innocents being killed as a price should also be put down.

originally posted by: truthnlies

originally posted by: Bluntone22
I'm for more death penalty.
And no more 20 years on death row.

more death penalty and i say as soon as all your appeals or 5 years passes , times up. none of this living the good life on our tax dollars for 30 yrs #.

It is a myth that our tax dollars are so high because of the amount of people in prison.
California recently let go many because of overcrowding issues and the cost per prisoner went up.

The number of guards stayed the same and the expensive pensions do not go away.

Who's more of a sicko.

The one who ends their misery or the one prolongs it.

Cheap hard labour cheaper then higher any white, black, or latino. Probably just as cheap as a bullet