Leaving tommorow for the border, will miss you ATS'ers

a reply to: uncommitted

I'm not talking about guns, I'm talking about citizens catching folk on small boats and detaining them until authorities arrive, perfectly legal.
Why so abrasive in your tone? You show me legislation which differs to what I have stated, you will be unable to find it, hint, search citizens arrest then immigration crimes, you will see they are indictable or either way offences which are covered under citizens arrest legislation.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

If I was collecting a steady check, I wouldn’t want a bunch of people coming by making me work harder either. It’s why I don’t cook in a restaurant anymore.

a reply to: DBCowboy

I'm more his Ms. Moneypenny.

...or Pennywise

originally posted by: RUokayHun
a reply to: uncommitted

I'm not talking about guns, I'm talking about citizens catching folk on small boats and detaining them until authorities arrive, perfectly legal.
Why so abrasive in your tone? You show me legislation which differs to what I have stated, you will be unable to find it, hint, search citizens arrest then immigration crimes, you will see they are indictable or either way offences which are covered under citizens arrest legislation.

No, you show me where it is shown to be acceptable. Please, let's have a link. Let's see those stories of civilians on boats detaining migrants and how that is seen as acceptable.

Just show me what you say is happening and deemed acceptable, it's not a big ask, you are the one making the claim. I know what a citizens arrest is and I know what the limitations on it are, do you? I have a feeling you may not.

a reply to: uncommitted

Then you understand that indictable and either way offences are covered by citizens arrest legislation. And yes I completely understand the law. Immigration offences are indictable or either way so citizens arrest is lawful with reasonable force.
Okay, I'll take back acceptable as clearly it is not with you, but lawfully most certainly is.
I'm not going to go round in circles though and I can't be arsed copy pasting the legislation but citizens arrest in such circumstances is lawful.
Unlucky if you don't like that, maybe campaign for a change in legislation? 😂

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
Oh by the way surely you’ve read Manley Hall on the secret destiny of America.

Why would I care what Manly Hall has to say about anything?

oh I don’t know maybe the “Masonicus” thing ??? www.amazon.com...

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

You want me to support this?

Documents unsealed in court on Monday show the FBI began looking into Hopkins in 2017 after receiving reports that said his group, known as the United Constitutional Patriots, was "training to assassinate George Soros, Hillary Clinton, and Barack Obama."

Soros is a billionaire investor and liberal donor.

Witnesses said the group was composed of approximately 20 members and stationed at Hopkins’ home. Additionally, the group was “armed with AK-47 rifles and other firearms,” according to an arrest warrant.

Twenty members. I think I'll do my talking at the ballot box like all sane patriots do.

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
It does? Then why the House not approve a budget to deal with the crisis...

That should be a clue right there. When is the last time Congress passed a budget? Both parties have no interest in passing a budget, not even when they control both Houses.

originally posted by: RUokayHun
I assumed that like the UK, your citizens could make a citizens arrest if someone was suspected of entering illegally.

They cannot and the CBP has stated this quite clearly.

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
oh I don’t know maybe the “Masonicus” thing ??? www.amazon.com...

He wrote most of that gobbledygook 30 years before he was a Mason.

I thought someone so keyed in on the Derp State and the Illuminaughty would know these simple facts.

originally posted by: ladyinwaiting
...or Pennywise

Fair point, you've seen the pics, he is penny wise and 500lb foolish.

a reply to: Blaine91555

“Allegedly” + Daily Beast = hmmmmm

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Yes I understand that now, you have told me twice, I was simply explaining why I have no problem with citizens detaining illegal immigrants trying to enter as we can lawfully do in the UK.
I've made no comment on your laws aside from thinking it rather odd that US citizens cannot do that.
I assume it is okay to make personal observations comparing the differences between our nations, you know, not criticizing yours, just sharing my amazement that citizens in yours cannot detain illegal immigrants while waiting for police and border officials to arrive on scene.

a reply to: RUokayHun


Because a private citizen cannot effect an arrest that a Federal law enforcement officer is legislated to perform.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
oh I don’t know maybe the “Masonicus” thing ??? www.amazon.com...

He wrote most of that gobbledygook 30 years before he was a Mason.

I thought someone so keyed in on the Derp State and the Illuminaughty would know these simple facts.

So he could only write things after being a Mason to make it credible ?
I noticed you only picked on me after I posted the A Michael thing from the Pope’s Prayer.
Is it gobbledygook that Francis Bacon wrote of America as The New Atlantis ?

They also learn much about the history of the world and of “America” (The New Atlantis) that is unknown in Europe from the statesmen they meet

icaadocs.mfah.org...
I would expect a connoisseur of Masonicus to know that, being that Francis Bacon is Thought to have written at least some of the Shakespeare plays and also to be the Wonderman of Europe, and the founder of the Rosicrucians.
But gobbledygook you say.

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

What in the world does any of that rambling have to do with the topic?

a reply to: Blaine91555

Dude...who said anything about supporting them???

I sure as hell didnt!!

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: Nyiah
a reply to: Vroomfondel

We can argue that one in circles, and use your lazy non-border patrolling, non-DC storming ass as a lazy "Do it for me" example, too. So what's your excuse, Vroom? Don't bother answering, your ideals & commitments isn't what's up for debate. When someone's playing wannabe military in the desert while still complaining about the geographic source of their complaints, it's a plan full of holes and poking at those holes is to be expected. You know, kind of like pointing out the glaring plot holes in piss-poorly written books or movies.

Only your argument goes in circles. Mine is pointed in the right direction.

My excuse is this: I did my time in the military already and I am now disabled and won't be storming any borders any time soon. But God help the interloper that reaches my property line.

He wasn't complaining about the geography. In fact he was indicating that the geography is probably the most dangerous thing he will have to contend with. And, speaking as someone who has lived within 25 miles of the border and dealt with that geography first hand, he is right. The rattlesnakes are problematic and they are dangerous. I have been bitten by black widow spiders and been stung by scorpions. I have had my share of up close and personal experiences with tarantula too. I have been hiking on trails where you need two shot gunners to be properly protected from the rattlesnakes.

You can shove your backhanded insults about my writing. I haven't seen anything that remotely qualifies as creative writing from you yet and that includes your feeble attempts at being clever in your posts. My short stories are no more full of holes than your arguments on these boards. The important differentiation there is: my short stories are fiction, you are that piss-poor in real life.

You missed the entire point and made it ALL about you. Nice.

The plot holes reference was regarding the OP, not you, Mr. Center of Attention. Good god, reading comprehension, please work on it.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: RUokayHun


Because a private citizen cannot effect an arrest that a Federal law enforcement officer is legislated to perform.

Yes, you keep telling me US citizens cannot make citizens arrests over illegal entry to your nation. I haven't disagreed with you once about that, just making the observation that to me it seems odd when as a UK citizen I can lawfully detain someone with reasonable force. There are other considerations to it, but we can protect our border, or shores, as private citizens.
I was comparing our two countries stances on this, I assume that is allowed on ATS?

originally posted by: ladyinwaiting
I personally find this very disturbing.

I am sure every one of you are living high hog on the taxpayer and fighting the taxpayer taking care of anyone but yourselves. i hope you get what you deserve down there. UTTER STUPIDITY!