Leaving tommorow for the border, will miss you ATS'ers

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

It was Never Trumpers.


But with all the shade people have thrown, has anyone considered he went down to see for himself what was really going on and is just as likely to bust the group if they are doing wrong?

originally posted by: RUokayHun
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Yes I understand that now, you have told me twice, I was simply explaining why I have no problem with citizens detaining illegal immigrants trying to enter as we can lawfully do in the UK.

What the hell are you talking about? We are certainly not allowed to start detaining people because we think they might be trying to get enter the country.

Citizens arrests are very rare, and limited to stopping an ongoing crime. Such as an assault or burglary. You can't go detaining people in boats because you think they don't look right - you'd be arrested for kidnap and possibly assault if they resisted.

Nonsense.

a reply to: FatherLukeDuke

Why not? It is an ongoing crime. What is the difference between seeing someone steal from a store and walk out or crossing a border into a country where they have no legal right to be? Do you think the US would let me back in from an international flight if I simply said I lost my passport?

The minute they step on US soil they are in violation of law. The only issue I have is that those who stop the criminal may not treat them in accordance of law and then the illegal can tie it up in the courts and they get in.

originally posted by: FauxMulder
That's how you know its all complete and utter pandering bull snip. Obama just like Trump enjoyed 2 years of complete party control and both of them could have passed anything they wanted from complete gun control to building a border wall.

Every issue both parties run on could have had legislation passed in the first two years of their respective terms.

Some Mod should give you applause.

originally posted by: DBCowboy


May start a thread on the benefits vs negatives of vigilantism.

Mind if I use your quote?

Not at all.

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: Blaine91555

Yes, he did reference them in that post. However, did he say he was joining up with them? No.

I'm sure I don't need to tell you there are numerous groups like this down on the border, right? This UCP group is just one of them, and one bent on gaining media attention. JBurns didn't say he was joining up with that specific group. And by the way, they seem to have disbanded now anyway. I'll let JBurns speak for himself, but if you read the whole thread you cited (I did) you would have seen this part...

... I always make sure to sprinkle in some misinformation (or do I?) to prevent the exact details from being betrayed ...

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In any case, I think there's something more important being borne out in this thread, and this is the clear divide between those willing to stand up and do something for themselves and those waiting for the nanny-state to look out for them. Call it the divide between left and right if you will. And, I think this is being pretty well evidenced here.

You say I should speak with my "vote", and believe me, I have! Yet nothing is being done, and thousands of illegals continue to pour across our southern border. Trump wanted to build a wall, and the democrats have resisted and obstructed him in every way possible. Will a simple wall end the illegal alien problem? Certainly not, but it does send a message, and an important message..."Authorized Personnel Only" (i.e. go through the proper immigration process and you are welcome, otherwise...NO TRESPASSING!).

So, what we see in this thread is those who hide behind the 'let the government handle it' mantra when in fact what they really want is an open border for illegals to enter the country. I'm not suggesting this is you in particular, but there are clearly some here who want that. And they are the most vitriolic of all about the subject. (they're also the ones repeatedly starring your and others posts on the matter too).

And a word about 'patriots'. Had it not been for the actions of "patriots", this nation would have never been formed! Had it not been for those willing to get up off their collective asses, and risk it all, the USA wouldn't exist. They got tired of sitting around talking about it, so they got up and DID something about it.

You say you have no issue with militia groups, but yet virtually everything you've posted on this thread calls them out as extremists and to use your words "depraved". You taken issue with the notion of patriotism by saying you object to them taking on an enforcement role. So what role should a patriot have if not to stand up and take action for something they believe in?? Isn't this what patriotism is at its very heart? Incidentally, you've also made the leap of calling them a militia group when they don't even call themselves that. The media does, and the all knowing Wikipedia does, but they don't. So who really is influencing your views...you, or the MSM?

In my first post on this thread I said...

Well, if this is all for real, right or wrong, regardless of what I think about the matter, no one will ever be able to say you sat around on the Internet and just talked about it, but didn't "DO" anything about it. You're standing up for what you believe in, and there's a hell of a lot to be said for that!

I will speak for myself when I say my hat is off to you for standing up for your convictions!

...

And, as you will recall, I went on to say in that same post...

I support the border control theme, no matter how it gets under control. Give 'em hell, but don't forget to use your own personal common sense. Don't let others coerce you into doing something you don't think is right / just. (and know there will likely be some who try). And always remember there are laws, and those laws apply to everyone, not just illegals! Know you're walking a fine line.
...

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I stand by those words. And I stand by people willing to stand up for what they believe in.

Your mileage may vary.

Talk about putting words in someone's mouth

When a militia group takes it to the level of taking the law into their own hands, they become vigilantes. They have already agreed to leave.

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The armed far-right militia that’s been detaining migrants at the southern border in New Mexico is packing up its temporary encampment at the request of law enforcement.

Members of the United Constitutional Patriots, a far-right militia, had established a base near the border in Sunland Park earlier this month, and were using the base to conduct vigilante immigration enforcement. Their actions came under scrutiny last week after antifa surfaced videos showing militia members rounding up hundreds of migrants at gunpoint and turning them over to Border Patrol agents...

...Customs and Border Protection said in a statement that they do “not endorse private groups or organizations taking enforcement matters into their own hands.”

I stand by my earlier statement that I take no issue with many militia groups, only the ones who think are above the law and act on it. I'm also very much in favor of the border wall and anything else to stop the craziness at the border. I'm just not in favor of vigilante's pretending to be law enforcement.

They left willingly now though. It's moot.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: FauxMulder
That's how you know its all complete and utter pandering bull snip. Obama just like Trump enjoyed 2 years of complete party control and both of them could have passed anything they wanted from complete gun control to building a border wall.

Every issue both parties run on could have had legislation passed in the first two years of their respective terms.

Some Mod should give you applause.

I don't know, I haven't sacrificed anything lately

Just a reflection, but some of the narrative reminds me of my youth in South Africa, and military conscription.

"Leaving tomorrow for the border" ... could have been written in South Africa, 1988.

Wow, you guys are that stage already?

a reply to: halfoldman

No we are not. It's just a small group of 20 or so people who thought they could play vigilante and get away with it. Their leader was a felon who will no doubt go to jail for illegally possessing a gun on top of trying to round up and arrest people with no authority to do so. Peaceful ending as they left when asked to leave.

Every now and then a nut, usually with a long criminal history, will take advantage of peoples emotions and scam them into following them. Always small groups, seldom totaling over a 100.

a reply to: Blaine91555

That is that group, there are some 200 known militia members near the border operating in various states. So may be as many as 15 various militias.

a reply to: JBurns

Be safe, Jay. Don't let the fervor of the group cause participation in poor decisions. You have an opportunity to do a lot of good. You have an oportunity to let others know what is really happening, so they can make intelligent decision.

All best

a reply to: Ahabstar

200 altogether sounds right. I know they are small groups.

I have friends in two militias in Idaho. Good people with their heads on right that would never get involved with usurping the Border Patrol and interfering. Those groups are large and one reason is they are rational people.

They don't strap on weapons, they get involved in politics. They do target shoot and stay prepared, but they are not radicals. Half of them are in law enforcement and they are the salt of the earth, not felons stirring the pot hoping for bullets to fly.

a reply to: Blaine91555

I hope you're right.

But I don't think so.

I think the Marxists have cornered you - the final domino has fallen.
(I mean current ideology, not anyone personally.)

Now you have Angola or Vietnam on your doorstep.

The Cold War never ended - it just got more interesting.

And soon you have it right in front of your house.

a reply to: halfoldman

The view from other countries is flavored by the news. Don't be fooled by it. For the most part the US is peaceful and moderate.

Marxist yell a lot but there are not very many of them. The kids change as they develop adult minds.

If anything it was worse in the 1960s / 70s.

Social media and the Internet make it seem likes its rampant. It's not.

a reply to: Blaine91555

Exactly. In the 60’s to early 70’s quite a few communes popped up. Some are still little towns today. Kinda like the Great Awakening in the US with religious themed utopias that morphed into little towns around the Midwest.

Not much of that going on. Well except for many scattered small towns throughout the South and poor neighborhoods in Northern cities being predominantly Spanish speaking which has been on going since around 2005.

I can take you to corner grocery stores that have been Mom and Pop stores since the Great Depression in Hamilton, Ohio where every bottle of Coca-Cola is made in Mexico now in what was traditionally predominantly black neighborhoods from about 1965-2008. There were too many problems that made integration impossible besides the language barrier...violence and crime was the impetus to black flight.

It is interesting from a social observation how segregation occurs. Not very interesting for social advancement observations.

originally posted by: Blaine91555

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They left willingly now though. It's moot.

So you agree...they weren't really any danger at all and they willingly left.

Did you have a point..any point? Or, were you just echoing the words of the MSM???

I didn't put any words in your mouth, you did that all by yourself.

Now, you willingly acknowledge that all your "ado" was much about nothing, right?

So, basically you don't have any rejoinder, just a comeback.

You continue to say you have no issue with militia groups, yet you see no purpose for them other than being "vigilantes". In other words, if I read you right, they have no purpose other than to just sit there and talk smack in their parent's basements about all the stuff they think is wrong with the world, and as long as they do that...they don't bother you. Is that right?

C'mon, man...you're talking out of both sides of your mouth!

a reply to: GeechQuestInfo

Gee thanks for the nasty comment. I never said it was a mythical land. I only pointed out the truth. Even faced with the truth people still will believe everything is just peaches and cream. I guess no one else thinks that is highly usual for 6 armed men to escort 1 woman and a child across the border. I get called acorn brain. In what way should the police/border guard/military handle a situation like that without everyone dying in the process??

If a airplane was to fly into our airspace one or two fighter jets would intercept them and ultimately blow them out of the sky and at Sea. So why should we accept every Tom, Dick, Harry, and Jane to come across our border on the ground? It's a double standard. We have no idea who the hell those people are and what their intent is. That kid could be kidnapped for all we know. Don't be surprised when the bullets start flying, just saying.

Quite clearly, when it comes to migrant/refugee policy, Soros and his fellow globalists are the real policy makers. Soros staffers Crowley and Rosin call for “accepting the current crisis as the new normal and moving beyond the need to reac

Their report also provides revealing details on the Soros/IMI/OSF relationship to Goldman Sachs titan Peter Sutherland, the UN’s top globalist agent in charge of designing and implementing the UN’s chaos-producing migration programs.

www.thenewamerican.com... pjQP-nzb8dsSVW32qkxnffRpVJdCBNSV1hl35CveHzalZRPncYgY
Notably, Sutherland is part of Bilderberg.

originally posted by: sean
If a airplane was to fly into our airspace one or two fighter jets would intercept them and ultimately blow them out of the sky and at Sea.

Bad analogy, they aren't in the military and there isn't some yahoo with his own fighter jet trying to do the Navy or Airforce's job.

Good luck, hopefully your super citizen power will ensure those filthy migrants stay in their own country.....