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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: KrzYma
so infinite density requires infinite mass.
One more time; division by zero is not infinite, it is undefined.
originally posted by: KrzYma
a reply to: Phage
undefined.
but this means ...not imaginable... means you can not make a picture of it
originally posted by: Phage
originally posted by: KrzYma
a reply to: Phage
undefined.
but this means ...not imaginable... means you can not make a picture of it
It means something quite specific. It means that mathematics does not allow it.
But as we know, mathematics are not the same thing as reality. They are a construct created by humans to represent reality. When it comes to situations of extreme gravity such concepts break down.
originally posted by: KrzYma
a reply to: Lumenari
you don't need better math, you need better understanding what you are calculating
no division by 0 no singularity...
I have explained the black hole physics one post above and edited the main post.
read again...
originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: KrzYma
The speed of light is not dependent upon the density of a field or gravity.
You have already shown in this thread that you do not understand the difference between mass and density.
black hole is a mathematical construct and nothing else...
so... if a black hole has a singularity inside of it, that is of infinite density, means of infinite mass, we do not exist
density comes from mass
and mass is gravity as the gravity force is the result of mass, at least it's what the main stream science is telling us.
F = GMm/r2
enough density in the EM will prevent light to escape from it, sure...
the speed of EM radiation is dependent on the density of the EM field, sure..
but there is no such thing as a singularity, no infinite density no Einstein black hole mathematical construct...
I did not say that.
OK... so you say the light do not bend on its path while propagating because of gravity ??
Gravity does not alter the speed of light.
how can you say the speed of light is not dependent on gravity if gravity of a black hole keeps the light from escaping it ??
Light is not bent by mass. Spacetime is. One way to look at it is that, within the event horizon, light is trapped in an orbit around the singularity.
how is it that light/EM radiation is bend by a mass and how a black hole keeps the light inside the event horizon if it's not dependent on the field or gravity ??
More or less. In the Newtonian view.
BTW: gravity is the field density...
so... if a black hole has a singularity inside of it, that is of infinite density, means of infinite mass, we do not exist