Julian Assange arrested at the Ecuadorian embassy in London.

a reply to: Subaeruginosa

My hope is that he pardons him for any alleged offense against the United States and either 1) pressures foreign countries into extraditing him here (prior to the pardon) or 2) sends spooks to render him from foreign custody by force and bring him here...again prior to a pardon

We will see. But lets face it, whatever he decides those countries will do it like the good little vassals they are. They don't have the will or the means to take on the United States.

Yeah, but in all fairness, Trump could come around to your house, shoot your dog and sleep with your wife... It still wouldn't change 'your' vote.

Since the difference would be Trump or someone who thinks my property/assets/person belongs to them/the government, you're probably right. What don't you get about "the left's vision for the United States" is unconscionable and unacceptable?

You aren't the good guys. You don't have the moral high ground. Your side advocates higher taxes, less liberty and Citizens beholden to the government (vs. government being kept on a choker chain by Citizens)

Like I said, you are not the good guys.

a reply to: JBurns

I doubt Julian will get any help from the President , the man who loved wikileaks when they dropped the e-mails now knows nothing about them.


There's gratitude for you.

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: ucanthandlethetruth

originally posted by: face23785
Throw the book at him. I have no sympathy for people who illegally leak classified information. He's not a "whistleblower." Whistleblowers expose wrongdoing. He indiscriminately leaked anything he could get his hands on, including information that put people's lives at risk. That's not protected by whistleblower laws. # this scumbag.

I hope you feel the same way about all the “leaks” by “anonymous sources” to journalists over the last few years. Because it’s obviousky not the fault of the actual whistleblower sending WikiLeaks the info... it’s wikileaks or Assange.

Love the logic there.

If someone tells me my house is on fire, I’m going to hate them versus the person who actually set my house on fire. Brilliance at its best.

Except he's not a whistleblower. Did he ONLY release information about the government spying on citizens or soldiers committing atrocities in Iraq? No. He released hundreds of thousands of classified documents, among them some that expose crimes, but many of which were legitimately classified documents that there was no reason to release. That's not whistleblowing.

Your analogy is flawed. If someone tells you your house is on fire, and they know this because they were at your house raping your wife and robbing you, you should probably be mad at both him and the person that set your house on fire.

ETA: And yeah I do feel the same way about the scumbags leaking to the press for partisan purposes. There are legitimate channels for whistleblowers to go through to expose wrongdoing.

No, he’s not the whistleblower. I’d agree if we were talking Snowden. I come from a LONG line of military, but you’re appearing more upset with him, the distributor of the info, than the actual “whistleblower” who sent the info to WikiLeajs/Assange in the first place. My analogy stands.

Distribution vs. actual theft of data should be obviously different.

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: JBurns

I doubt Julian will get any help from the President , the man who loved wikileaks when they dropped the e-mails now knows nothing about them.

There's gratitude for you.

But keep in mind there’s been a lot of feints and disinformation from this president, a professed lover of the Art of War. It would make sense to me if he’s distancing himself from this and WikiLeaks so later IF Assange unearths more about the 2016 election fiasco, Trump has to seem like he’s thrown all of this to Barr and DOJ and has remained uninvolved.

Just throwing that conjecture out there.

originally posted by: paraphi

originally posted by: UKTruth
He only skipped bail because he was hiding from Americans who wanted him dead because he provided the world with great journalism.

He skipped bail to avoid extradition to Sweden having exhasued all legal avenues. You need to get your facts straight.

Oh come on! You really think that was the reason? He wanted to get the Sweden thing sorted. Even asked them to come to the embassy. He did not want to leave the embassy because he knew there was a very good chance he would be extradited to the US to face these criminals!

People like you were saying he was talking rubbish when he said about being extradited to the US. How all your tunes have changed now!

What's the bets if he does get extradited to the US ( and it is looking very likely) people like you will change your tune again and say "he has to face justice"

originally posted by: ucanthandlethetruth

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: ucanthandlethetruth

originally posted by: face23785
Throw the book at him. I have no sympathy for people who illegally leak classified information. He's not a "whistleblower." Whistleblowers expose wrongdoing. He indiscriminately leaked anything he could get his hands on, including information that put people's lives at risk. That's not protected by whistleblower laws. # this scumbag.

I hope you feel the same way about all the “leaks” by “anonymous sources” to journalists over the last few years. Because it’s obviousky not the fault of the actual whistleblower sending WikiLeaks the info... it’s wikileaks or Assange.

Love the logic there.

If someone tells me my house is on fire, I’m going to hate them versus the person who actually set my house on fire. Brilliance at its best.

Except he's not a whistleblower. Did he ONLY release information about the government spying on citizens or soldiers committing atrocities in Iraq? No. He released hundreds of thousands of classified documents, among them some that expose crimes, but many of which were legitimately classified documents that there was no reason to release. That's not whistleblowing.

Your analogy is flawed. If someone tells you your house is on fire, and they know this because they were at your house raping your wife and robbing you, you should probably be mad at both him and the person that set your house on fire.

ETA: And yeah I do feel the same way about the scumbags leaking to the press for partisan purposes. There are legitimate channels for whistleblowers to go through to expose wrongdoing.

No, he’s not the whistleblower. I’d agree if we were talking Snowden. I come from a LONG line of military, but you’re appearing more upset with him, the distributor of the info, than the actual “whistleblower” who sent the info to WikiLeajs/Assange in the first place. My analogy stands.

Distribution vs. actual theft of data should be obviously different.

You might wanna get up to date on the case. He's charged with aiding Manning in the theft of the information. That's not just being a journalist who receives and distributes stolen info. And you're wrong, because I absolutely despise Manning and he should still be in prison. Your analogy only stands if you don't know what's going on here. Assange hasn't been charged with merely distributing the information.

originally posted by: face23785

You might wanna get up to date on the case. He's charged with aiding Manning in the theft of the information. That's not just being a journalist who receives and distributes stolen info. And you're wrong, because I absolutely despise Manning and he should still be in prison. Your analogy only stands if you don't know what's going on here. Assange hasn't been charged with merely distributing the information.

Oh, I’m aware of what’s ALLEGED. We will see how it plays out. If he’s actually found GUILTY of assisting in the actual whistleblowing, then I’ll eat my words.

Until then, I think this silly-5-year-max extradition is just a ploy to get him here to question him on muh Russia.

Sorry dbl post

originally posted by: face23785

You might wanna get up to date on the case. He's charged with aiding Manning in the theft of the information. That's not just being a journalist who receives and distributes stolen info. And you're wrong, because I absolutely despise Manning and he should still be in prison. Your analogy only stands if you don't know what's going on here. Assange hasn't been charged with merely distributing the information.

If he did indeed aid Manning in the acquisition of that data, which I some how doubt, then I agree he should face the law, although I don't think it deserves a really harsh punishment because the motive was good, and he's already spent more time locked away than Manning ever did. I get the feeling if Wikileaks were to disclose info about UFO's or highly efficient energy generation, you'd be like "hey that information was classified, what a complete scum bag for leaking it". Some times leaking classified facts necessarily breaks the law, Snowden is the perfect example, and he's a person I highly respect for informing the world just how deeply they were being surveilled even though he broke the law to do it, keeping it all a secret would have been the immoral thing to do imo.

The only people that object to disclosure are those that have the most to lose from it. This article @ Truthdig:

Once the documents and videos provided by Manning to Assange and WikiLeaks were published and disseminated by news organizations such as The New York Times and The Guardian, the press callously, and foolishly, turned on Assange. News organizations that had run WikiLeaks material over several days soon served as conduits in a black propaganda campaign to discredit Assange and WikiLeaks. This coordinated smear campaign was detailed in a leaked Pentagon document prepared by the Cyber Counterintelligence Assessments Branch and dated March 8, 2008. The document called on the U.S. to eradicate the “feeling of trust” that is WikiLeaks’ “center of gravity” and destroy Assange’s reputation.

Assange, who with the Manning leaks had exposed the war crimes, lies and criminal manipulations of the George W. Bush administration, soon earned the ire of the Democratic Party establishment by publishing 70,000 hacked emails belonging to the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and senior Democratic officials.www.truthdig.com...

WikiLeaks has done more to expose the abuses of power and crimes of the American Empire than any other news organization. In addition to the war logs and the Podesta emails, it made public the hacking tools used by the CIA and the National Security Agency and their interference in foreign elections, including in the French elections. It disclosed the internal conspiracy against British Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn by Labour members of Parliament. It intervened to save Edward Snowden, who made public the wholesale surveillance of the American public by our intelligence agencies, from extradition to the United States by helping him flee from Hong Kong to Moscow. The Snowden leaks also revealed that Assange was on a U.S. “manhunt target list.”www.truthdig.com...

As a taxpayer, I claim the absolute right to know not only what my taxes are being spent on but also of any malfeasance or hypocrisy by the people charged with managing those taxes.

a reply to: gortex

Trust me, I am mortally disappointed in his reaction to this.

If I had any real choice in the matter, I would show my disapproval by voting libertarian. However, this next election is simply too important for protest votes and I always say Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.

By far, Trump has been great for this country and has worked his rear end off to get us on track

That said, every fiber of my being, every moral or ethical position in me... says this is absolutely wrong. Backwards, wrong and dangerous.

My one complaint with Assange is that he didn't just expose crimes, corruption and other matters of overriding public importance. Exposing legitimately classified military programs, operations or intelligence material (outside the overriding public interest) is also stupid and dangerous

No one is perfect, no one is without blame...but, that doesn't change the fact that Assange himself is not a leaker and is what should amount to a journalist.

IMO we need more transparency and less secrecy if Rome 2.0 is to survive. That doesn't mean we should be exposing genuine, properly classified programs or operations... but the insulting level of secrecy surrounding certain subjects has got to go. IE: "Area 51 does not exist" "But we can see it with our own eyes. But our enemies already know about it and likely have insight inside" or the Roswell incident where we're expected to believe the Army's top intelligence officers and staff officers are too stupid to know the difference between a darn weather baloon/MOGUL balloon and a "flying saucer" with recovered ETI.

Major Marcel himself came forward later on to say the photos were staged and the real material went to Wright-Patt. The Guy Hottel memo also confirms this. They sure as # aren't going to send a high alt. balloon over to WP or FTD for analysis

a reply to: ucanthandlethetruth

If Snowden wanted to expose interests other than those with an overriding public concern, he would have grabbed up all the ECI PAWLEYS data which are networks that process their human intelligence source communications and other information

Snowden was very careful not to expose human sources or other information that could get people killed.

What he did expose was the treachery of US tech giants in cooperating with NSA spooks and their effort to know everything about everyone all the time

No... if Snowden was working against our interests I have no doubt his exceptionally privileged level of access and insight into NSA's most sensitive networks could have facilitated that.

Instead, he contradicted Obummer and Lyin' Clapper and Lyin' Brennan who claimed American citizens weren't being spied on. That our Constitutional rights *weren't* being thwarted by secret courts, secret warrants and unaccountable undue processes

Right now there are at least 2 countries that want him for various charges. So the question is who will get him first and then who gets him next.

But beyond that, it could be a few years before he gets to the US, as his attorneys are going to fight the extradition order and draw that out for several years, if possible.

So he is arrested, however, what I would like to know is about the supposed dead mans switch, which would send out a large packet of information if he did not send the code after a set amount of time.

a reply to: sdcigarpig

however, what I would like to know is about the supposed dead mans switch, which would send out a large packet of information if he did not send the code after a set amount of time.

Me too SD

I had planned to spread it around the Web all day when I first heard of this, but here we are approaching 24 hours and nothing has happened... yet

It is very possible he had a certain amount of time to enter a code (hopefully a OTP with secondary verification) with a certain amount of leeway either direction to account for illnesses or other unforeseen circumstances. *If* the file is real, we should expect to see this code surface soon. Most likely from left field too

All I know is I am keeping my eyes open, hoping and praying he did in fact have the information to sink these SOBs along with the means to ensure its release and distribution

Personally, I downloaded their largest file and bought a separate external hard drive to hold it. If it is fake, at least I have an extra 1TB drive to use ah well

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: gortex

Trust me, I am mortally disappointed in his reaction to this.

If I had any real choice in the matter, I would show my disapproval by voting libertarian. However, this next election is simply too important for protest votes and I always say Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.

It's pretty obvious why Trump distanced himself from Wikileaks after being elected, had he not there would've been more screeching about collusion between Trump, Wikileaks, and Russia. I'm sure his advisers told him to take this course of action and it makes sense. However if he does get extradited to the U.S. and he gets locked up, there's a very good chance Trump will give him an early release before before the end of his presidency, just as Obama pardoned Manning right before Trump got into office.

a reply to: JBurns

It seems likely that whatever is protected by that switch might be useful to Assange if attempting to negotiate a plea deal.

originally posted by: BlueAjah
a reply to: JBurns

It seems likely that whatever is protected by that switch might be useful to Assange if attempting to negotiate a plea deal.

Excellent point BlueAjah, I did not think about that

I hope Assange is successful! Although after what he has been put through, I would not blame him for letting the whole thing come crashing down around them. I can only imagine some of the dirt an intelligence clearing house like WL would have on our "leaders" who are supposed to set an example

The "journalist" (lol) with gigabytes of world-shaking information that he sat on for almost a decade to leverage his own freedom? Sure. That checks out.


This isn't even the real Assange. It's his MK-Ultra clone. The real Julian Assange is on Mars with Space Force, fighting socialism.

a reply to: gortex

My wife is Ecuadorian, and here's the inside track for you - Ecuadorians are outraged at this. My wife put it as an affront to the sacrosanct nature of an embassy - that the president, via the ambassador, would invite UK police into the embassy to remove someone who had claimed asylum - she, and most Ecuadorians, consider the current president of Ecuador to be a scheming, manipulative deceiver, who has already rolled back a hundred & more freedoms & areas of great progress that the former president (Correa) had secured after a hard fought battle (including an attempted coup some years ago where his life was literally endangered, where the army mounted an operation to secure his freedom from the police scumbags who had mounted the coup - and incurred injuries in the process of shielding him behind a wall of soldiers as they moved him along the street in a car at slow pace to escape the police lines which had been established..) He recovered from the coup, and even offered an olive branch with reform & new areas of funding for the police who led the coup. And now, he's been forced into exile after the current president (Lenin Moreno) got himself voted in (an utter scumbag who appears to have used electoral scams to get himself elected - with the help of the US deep state too apparently, hence this is no shock whatsoever). The regular folk already considered Moreno a bad dude, for stabbing Correa in the back, taking over the party & attempting to establish legislation stating that Correa can never be president ever again (like a spoilt kid basically, trying to make sure he isn't ousted once the bulk of the people realise what a douche he actually is & demand him out & that Correa come back & take over again. Apparently the Assange thing has infuriated many Ecuadorians, and there have been big protests outside the presidential palace this very night..

Trump is now claiming he "..[doesn't] really know anything about Wikileaks", whereas in 2016 he claimed that he "..love[s] Wikileaks". Come on Donald, take down the deep state clowns who want Assange broken in the system, and give that journalist/ publisher his freedom.

a reply to: 0zzymand0s

The real Julian Assange is on Mars with Space Force, fighting socialism.

Maybe then it will finally be real socialism and actually function as they say it is intended

I say that in jest, but who knows? Just because it wouldn't work for a nation of 350,000,000 individual liberty loving Citizens doesn't mean it wouldn't work on a Mars colony. In fact, one could argue that such an outlook could be beneficial in a prospective space colony