Justice Department expert: Police shooting of dogs has become an epidemic.

Hell must be freezing over...I'm agreeing with right wingers over a dog/cop issue.

a reply to: okrian

Shooting dogs is the topic.

Irresponsible dog owners is YOUR topic.

You aren't paying me enough to talk in circles with you, move on bud.

a reply to: olaru12

I think the ticket is simply not agreeing with any sad bastards willingly going around offing family pets.

My understanding was thats what serial killers get up to before graduating to people.

And that probably says quite a bit about the people who are becoming Police in this day of age.

a reply to: Mandroid7

Ah I see. You just want to discuss effect and not cause. Have at it then.

In the meantime, I'm not buying this whole emotional narrative brought on by a few anecdotal stories (although that is the recipe for ATS posts these days). I know that there is no way the right wing of ATS is going all PETA. Because if there was an actual concern about the killing of animals then why wouldn't that concern extend to other animals that are equally evolved (cows for example) or pigs, who are demonstrably smarter than dogs and are dying in droves by far less humane methods.

a reply to: gladtobehere

Cops in my city shot my friends tiny chihuahua on a noise complaint .

And kids saw it happen.

No punishment at all for the officer.

a reply to: gladtobehere

If a Cop Ever Shot my Dog , I'd go and Shoot His if he happened to have one too . Only FAIR .............

a reply to: XAnarchistX

I know right.

There just dogs. Not even wild dogs.

Twice in my life I have been attacked by a dog. Was bit both times. I have scars on my leg from one of those attacks.

I never felt like my life was in danger.

Not my life.
I was scared and ran as the owner grabbed their dog one time. Got bit on the ass. I didn't know that dog.
The other time I was alone. My grandmother's dog had broken the rope that held him to a tree.
This was a mean dog. A dog that other kids teased including my brother.
I did not tease this dog. But that day when he got lose he hide under my fathers car and when I walked by he ran out and bit me on my leg. I shouted at the dog and that caused it to back off. I had to limp back home.

If I'd had a gun ether time I wouldn't have used it to kill the dog. If anything I would have shot near it to scare it.

I understand cases where the officer is alone and gets surprised by a large dog.
I understand cases where the criminal uses the dog on the officer.
I understand when an officer is confronted by many dogs in a chaotic situation.
But when did humans become so scared of a single domestic dog that they wont try anything else to defend first?

Humans and domestic dogs have been interacting for far to long for an adult trained in self defense to have to resort to killing a single owned dog.
Especially when the owner is there and the officer has other none deadly weapons to defend with.

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: gladtobehere

If a Cop Ever Shot my Dog , I'd go and Shoot His if he happened to have one too . Only FAIR .............

That makes you a monster. Worse than the cop.

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originally posted by: scraedtosleep

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: gladtobehere

If a Cop Ever Shot my Dog , I'd go and Shoot His if he happened to have one too . Only FAIR .............

That makes you a monster. Worse than the cop.

No , it makes me a Justice Warrior . Matter of Perspective you see .............

a reply to: DontTreadOnMe

"All rules for polite political debate will be enforced."

Now if only our so-called officers of the law followed such reasonable terms.

A multitude of small furry animals and other assorted family pet dogs might still be alive i imagine.

a reply to: okrian

we even more so have an epidemic of terrible (entitled) dog owners.

That's who I blame when I got bit.

originally posted by: UpIsNowDown
Americans love guns, guns fire bullets, bullets can kill living things, Americans love shooting at things. As an outsider I will be verbally "shot down" within this thread, as I see a common denominator in these shootings, access to firearms makes people have itchy fingers.

Policing then becomes "i felt my life was in jepordy" thus I can murder someone, we have crime in the UK (bizzare I know) yet the number of police officers murdered by firearms is minimal, the number of innocent citizens murdered by anyone with a gun is minimal, the number of criminals murdered and not standing in front of a jury is minimal.

Justice is not handed out from a revolver in most countries, yet America accepts it on a daily basis.

And apparently cars make people want to drink and drive, spoons make people want to get fat, and legal, over-tge-counter, analgesics make people want to commit suicide by liver failure.

Legally-owned firearms in the USA have a 99.97% safety rating. Every business on the planet would love to have a safety rating like that.

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: gladtobehere

Cops in my city shot my friends tiny chihuahua on a noise complaint .

And kids saw it happen.

No punishment at all for the officer.

The kids are the ones who phoned it in..

Face the fact that those dogs make things unbearable for a large percentage of people.

Might as well have a human yelling in your ear, it can drive ANYONE to madness.

Barking crazy dogs, violent dogs everywhere in tiny apartments and houses is madness...not good for the dogs or anyone else.

originally posted by: ParasuvO

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: gladtobehere

Cops in my city shot my friends tiny chihuahua on a noise complaint .

And kids saw it happen.

No punishment at all for the officer.

The kids are the ones who phoned it in..

Face the fact that those dogs make things unbearable for a large percentage of people.

Might as well have a human yelling in your ear, it can drive ANYONE to madness.

Barking crazy dogs, violent dogs everywhere in tiny apartments and houses is madness...not good for the dogs or anyone else.

So a human yelling in my ear deserves to be shot? No trial, no jury, just straight to execution, huh? Maybe the owners should be ticketed and held responsible rather than murdering a dog?

Most people are unbearable to me. I don't go on killing sprees.

Hell, I have allergies, but I can't just stomp on everyone's gardens.

originally posted by: scraedtosleep

If I'd had a gun ether time I wouldn't have used it to kill the dog. If anything I would have shot near it to scare it.

In most states, "shooting to scare" is considered wreckless/dangerous discharge of a firearm and is classed as a felony. In the state of Texas it is classified as "deadly conduct". Just so's you know. (after accidental discharge while cleaning, "firing to scare someone away" is the second leading cause of accidental gun deaths. kids playing is a distant third)

I understand cases where the officer is alone and gets surprised by a large dog.
I understand cases where the criminal uses the dog on the officer.
I understand when an officer is confronted by many dogs in a chaotic situation.
But when did humans become so scared of a single domestic dog that they wont try anything else to defend first?

wikipedia article on fatal dog bites in the USA. In a typical year, 4.5 million Americans are bitten by dogs, with 6,000 -13,000 of the bite episodes requiring hospitalization.

If you use less that lethal means to drive off a dog, the dog gets to decide whether it wants to continue to attack you, or return to attack you. If an officer is already dealing with a violent or confrontational owner, that's a definite factor in their perception of danger.

Humans and domestic dogs have been interacting for far to long for an adult trained in self defense to have to resort to killing a single owned dog.

Dogs were bred by the Romans for use in war, to terrorize the enemy. For a thousand years. Most European breeds are descended at least in part, from Roman dogs of war.

Especially when the owner is there and the officer has other none deadly weapons to defend with.

Especially nowadays, when the rabies treatment no longer requires you to get the injections directly in your navel. You can get them over a course of 6 weeks in the thigh muscle. And the tetanus shots aren't even needed if the cop's booster series is up to date. Just a check-in with wound care every other day until the wound seals, to prevent infection.

originally posted by: okrian
As much as I'm not for shooting animals, we even more so have an epidemic of terrible (entitled) dog owners. Constantly ignoring leash laws, blaming others when their dog runs up to people/attacks, leaving dogs outside to bark all day long, can't be bothered to clean up their dogs crap, exploiting ridiculous 'support animal' loopholes. What's the larger problem? I'm going to guess that for once it's not actually the cops in this situation (btw, the source for this 'expert' is from 5 years ago and it was just a guess without any validity in their numbers).

I agree.

Dog barks, shoot it.
Dog poops on your lawn, shoot it.
Dog sniffs you, shoot it.

If a cop came to my place unexpected for something insignificant and shot my dog, he'd end up having a very serious reason to be at my place with company.

And they don't just shoot aggressive dogs. Any dog that goes near them. Wagging tails, no problemo, bang.

Cowards. Where did real men go, who entered the police force. Now it's scared little boys on steroids with small peckers and who are easily startled.

originally posted by: okrian
a reply to: Mandroid7

Ah I see. You just want to discuss effect and not cause. Have at it then.

It's got NOTHING to do with dog owners.. They're shooting placid family pets. Nothing about the owner could change that.

jesus...

originally posted by: scraedtosleep

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: gladtobehere

If a Cop Ever Shot my Dog , I'd go and Shoot His if he happened to have one too . Only FAIR .............

That makes you a monster. Worse than the cop.

How so?

I'd like to see why.

originally posted by: ltdan08
And apparently cars make people want to drink and drive, spoons make people want to get fat, and legal, over-tge-counter, analgesics make people want to commit suicide by liver failure.

What purpose has a car? To drive. Any other use of a car, is illegitimate. If someone uses a car for something other than it's intended use, they are doing so beyond the scope of the cars intended purpose.

What purpose does a spoon have? To ingest food. People can over eat with their fingers. If someone uses a spoon as it is intended, the spoon is not being used in an illegitimate manner.

Who takes OTC medications in order to develop liver failure? Or indeed, to commit suicide? A slow, painful and prolonged death, I assure you, someone intent on committing suicide, would rather use something... like a gun.

What purpose does a gun have? Kill things.

Damn you are so deluded you even believe the rubbish arguments put forth by other deluded people...
If you hunt, you are killing things, the intended purpose for a gun. If you use your gun for anything other than killing, then you are using your gun in a manner that it was not intended for.

Cars, drive. Spoons, eat. Guns, kill.

Legally-owned firearms in the USA have a 99.97% safety rating. Every business on the planet would love to have a safety rating like that.

So what?