ICE arrests 280 at Texas firm, biggest immigration bust in a decade

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

Employers are the ones that need to be hit hard and fined. There also needs to be a better system than E-verify in place.

I've heard E-verify was a joke and after reading a few different sites about it, there seems to be a lot of truth in its inadequacy.

www.cato.org...

E-Verify is worse than a coin toss at identifying known illegal immigrant job seekers — 54 percent of illegal workers run through E-Verify are approved for work.

Worse, a small percentage of legal workers are erroneously flagged as unauthorized. Applying that error rate to the entire American workforce, E-Verify would flag between 400,000 and 900,000 U.S.-born workers as illegal. Thirty-six percent would have to wait at least eight days to resolve the error. Of those workers who are barred from employment after their appeal, a full six percent of them are eventually found to be legal.

The notion that an American citizen could be denied a job thanks to an ineffective and shoddy regulatory scheme is alarming and ought to be a non-starter for policymakers considering this mandate.

Fortunately, in this case, we don’t have to speculate. E-Verify mandates tried in Alabama, Arizona, Mississippi and South Carolina have proven ineffective. In those states, all new hires are supposed to be run through E-Verify, but only 54 percent actually were in 2013.

I had a book keeper that did books for a few different paint companies. She told me that tax time was a nightmare for her, especially the larger companies because of all the fake documents i.e.; SS#, Driver Lisc., Green Cards, etc...

Not sure what the solution is, something needs to be done about employers being held accountable for the hiring of illegals. Our laws for filing fraudulent gov documents also needs to be enforced. It's not fair that US citizens get the book thrown at them because they're locked in the system, while illegals claim ignorance and skate for the same crimes.

a reply to: mtnshredder

I was not aware of everify so thank you for that. I can see that as this is a government run program and mandated for use by contractors working on government projects. It sounds good in theory but once again as a government agency it seems to have set the goal but missed the kick,

One wonders, might not the government refine this program? Is that even possible? With all the billions clammering to be used for a wall, might not that money be well spent in establishing a program that works? One with teeth One that is reliable?

It almost sounds like it is noting more than a ''wink wink, nudge nudge'' among employers who are willing to settle for least amount of effort to look legal.

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

Its one of those "sounds great theoretically but fails in execution" scenarios. You would think they could fix the program faults somehow. They seem to have the right idea.

Adios Amigos.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Wardaddy454
And yet I find nothing from much more recent documentation.

So?

So one donation, and one donation alone (that I can find), could be nothing more than trying to grease the wheels of bureaucracy.

Not enough evidence that that makes him a Republican. So, I guess you were just trying to stir the pot.

GREAT JOB ICE! Go get more! WOOOHOOO!!!!!
Punishments for those that hire them as well! Lets go!

originally posted by: Wardaddy454
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So one donation...

It was two separate donations.

...could be nothing more than trying to grease the wheels of bureaucracy.

Or it could be his political affiliation.

Not enough evidence that that makes him a Republican. So, I guess you were just trying to stir the pot.

When you find him giving to a Democrat then you can make that claim, right now he's only given to Republicans. Deal with it.

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

That is because they pay off the politicians to look the other way.
The illegal immigration problem can be all blamed on the chamber of commerce and cheap labor express. This is just a drop in the bucket.

originally posted by: Waterglass
a reply to: DigginFoTroof

Come on man really. They can't comment. Yet. What if the employer did their jobs and vetted all via the FEDS system or each person had an illegally obtained Social Security Card, which when checked by the employer were given the green light to hire. Yea, it happens all of the time and maybe one of the illegals has your grandfathers Social Security number. Think about it. Yes, its that bad out there.

Also how don't we know whether the Feds verification system is also compromised. We don't.

Everify must work though otherwise why would many of the states reject it where illegals are high in numbers. The politicians in those states are being paid off to reject it by the business.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: scraedtosleep

"Owners" have little latitude when a stolen ID comes up as genuine 😎

Stolen ID has a picture.

Also E-verify uses a social. You also have to have two forms of ID (unless you have a passport, which satisfies the ID requirement).

Also everify has a national database with a picture of the person in it.
Pedro who no habla english and uneducated wants to work at the chicken factory would have to hack into the system to change the picture on fake card to his.

The fact that the states with the most illegals reject everify speaks volumes about what is going on.

a reply to: jacobe001

The ironic part is I'm fine with the wall, anti illegal immigration.... But Everify easily is the best solution, which will do more than the wall IMO.

No one is going to come if the jobs are cut in half. You'll still have construction companies who pay under the table.... But factories will have to comply.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Wardaddy454
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So one donation...

It was two separate donations.

...could be nothing more than trying to grease the wheels of bureaucracy.

Or it could be his political affiliation.

Not enough evidence that that makes him a Republican. So, I guess you were just trying to stir the pot.

When you find him giving to a Democrat then you can make that claim, right now he's only given to Republicans. Deal with it.

Two minor donations from years ago is flimsy. You should learn to deal with that.

originally posted by: Wardaddy454
Two minor donations from years ago is flimsy. You should learn to deal with that.

I'm not the one salty he's a Republican.

a reply to: jacobe001

That is because they pay off the politicians to look the other way.
The illegal immigration problem can be all blamed on the chamber of commerce and cheap labor express. This is just a drop in the bucket.

Certainly. And as you point out, this problem does indeed extend to and beyond the ''chamber of commerce''. The extent of the cover up here, the conspiracy if you will is the almost total lack of public awareness that is focused at this end of the illegal worker conundrum rather than all the hoopla on those workers illegality itself.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Wardaddy454
Two minor donations from years ago is flimsy. You should learn to deal with that.

I'm not the one salty he's a Republican.

Well, at least that's one thing you aren't salty about. You need to work on the rest.

originally posted by: Wardaddy454
Well, at least that's one thing you aren't salty about. You need to work on the rest.

As soon as the government drowns in a bathtub I'll be fine.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Wardaddy454
Well, at least that's one thing you aren't salty about. You need to work on the rest.

As soon as the government drowns in a bathtub I'll be fine.

Exactly my point. You need to work on that, since that wont happen.

originally posted by: Wardaddy454
You need to work on that, since that wont happen.

Nah, I prefer to be outraged about our crap government instead of fawning over it like some obsequious toady.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Wardaddy454
You need to work on that, since that wont happen.

Nah, I prefer to be outraged about our crap government instead of fawning over it like some obsequious toady.

If you think I'm fawning over it, then you fail to understand why I, and many others, voted for Trump.

Where has your stewing gotten you?

originally posted by: Wardaddy454
If you think I'm fawning over it, then you fail to understand why I, and many others, voted for Trump.

Thinking? It's kinda apparent when you cannot admit that obvious Republican is obvious.

Where has your stewing gotten you?

Into this rather scintillating repartee with you.