NATIONAL SERVICE could save Western Civilization

a reply to: crayzeed

If not the military, than its the school systems.

originally posted by: Wardaddy454
a reply to: crayzeed

If not the military, than its the school systems.

Yea, and we in the western world has seen how that is working out! Open borders, Marxism and every problem in society is caused by white people.

a reply to: Malak777

So people protest and a heavy handed government responds by wanting to introduce mandatory service. Lulz.

a reply to: seeker1963

Hey how about you're the problem, racist #s like you that fall for all the crap on TV and fuel race wars. If you don't like us then GTFO back to where your ancestors came here from, you racist asshole

OH and when you're at it please explain to me why they came to white countries that are so terrible in the first place?

You're just a hate filled racist without a critical eye towards propaganda

a reply to: paraphi

Hmm.

When I did college and other educational activities just over 10 years ago their was lots of community engagement schemes ran and I know it's improved vastly.

Despite having a conservative government that has slashed the hell out of public services and grants aimed at the youth we still have some awesome programs etc aimed at the youth. Programs that encourage and teach public relations, volunteering and community work... Things like The Prince's Trust. It did wonders for me as a youth.

But I agree. Macrons "national service" is actually more like community service from what I gather, I like the idea of it since I fully believe inclusion is a powerful tool. Involve our youth in society.

I also want to add that the youth these days are actually more involved with society than any other time I've studied or heard about it's just that our reality is so polarised these days... We have multiple reasons why this is but I just like to coin the realities of such with a simple word. Extremism, we accept a lot more crap as a society today.

Britguy seems to have similar conclusions as me. We've neglected the youth, many have grown up in a poorer and harsher climate than their parents despite existence being better now than any other generation in the past. We've got a disillusioned youth, a society of kids raised by bigger kids... Kids given too much crap to keep em occupied by parents who equally couldn't care too much about anything other than theirs.

Yet at the same time there's plenty of amazing parents raising amazing children that will make some amazing contributions to society. So it's not all doom and gloom.

We need to do more for the youth. As Tupac said:

"Say there ain't no hope for the youth
And the truth is it ain't no hope for the future"

The man was a thug and came from a scummy background yet he was bang on about the neglect and abuse we see in society, especially towards the youth. Kids will emulate their surroundings and upbringing one way or another... Most people only become "enlightened" to their circumstances till much time has been wasted.

As a whole society sucks. Let's show a better way.

a reply to: IkNOwSTuff

They taught me how to survive in a climate that progressively had less and less to offer the youth. I came from a poor background where illegal activity was rife just so people could make the old ends meet.

The OP didnt go there but I will, most of the problems highlighted have been imported, what the Boomers gave us was apathy and a desire to bend over backwards in appeasement so we arent labelled intolerant or racist

I saw the complete opposite growing up, racism and intolerance against minorities was the norm... I'm not even 30 yet. Imported my ass. I grew up in scummy Britain full of scummy Brits, non of what I speak of was imported.

Reminds me of Starship troopers.

a reply to: Specimen

Glad I'm not the only one.

This is crazy authoritarian, or at the least an overture of authoritarian government. I think someone in this thread even mentioned the idea of a "strong state" and prioritising "order". If that's the same argument a lot of people have on this site hold against leftists (despite not all leftists being authoritarian in the slightest) then how would advocating something like this not be an example of cognitive dissonance?

Seriously... I used to love the anti-authority vibe this site had. What's become of us?

I tried to say the same thing when I joined and you would have thought I demanded everyone who wasn't a 100% top physical/mental specimen of a homo sapien be sent to concentration camps and eventual execution after they were drained of their life force.

I think one of the biggest problems lies in the schools. THAT used to be the bonding glue that held society together, well that and church. But now you have teachers and admin that aren't allowed to punish the precious little "angels/saints" that we have roaming the hallways and corridors of our fine learning establishments. Without proper punishment and consequences for their actions, you don't have children who behave or have proper motivation much of the time. Lowering standards for HS graduation, college admittance and college graduation also make things worse.

I think some kind of national service would be good as well but it needs to be done properly and that is going to be a very tough discussion, it'd be something that should be in it's own thread, separate to seeing if people support the idea, b/c there would be so many varying opinions and arguments, I think it would thread-jack the topic.

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: Malak777

Community service is a wonderful thing when done from the heart... when forced to do it though, it's involuntary servitude. Slavery.

There is only one way to "fix" society, and that is to empower people with the skills and tools and resources to be self-sufficient and independent. People who know how to take care of themselves, and have the skills and tools and other resources to take care of themselves, do take care of themselves and don't need or want government/corporate interference in their lives.

People who have the skills and tools and resources to be self-sufficient and independent appreciate and value all the things that go into that. Including valuing and appreciating themselves, which extends to others. And when people can take care of themselves and are secure and stable in their own lives, are usually very happy to help others when they need help, to give back to their communities in various ways without being FORCED to do so. And usually in far more effective and practical ways than those who would force servitude for their own benefit.

Power and control over others is the problem. Not the solution.

I agree. It IS slavery. I used to have to do stuff and i would intentionally screw it up because i didnt want to do it.

a reply to: hombero

I believe he was being sarcastic, you know: everything is being blamed on white people.

a reply to: yuppa

I agree. It IS slavery. I used to have to do stuff and i would intentionally screw it up because i didnt want to do it.

Exactly! Because there is no worth or value in it for you, much less any passion or joy. You're just forced to serve others for their benefit at your expense.

On the other hand, most people are happy to give of themselves, in the ways they know and do best, and find much value and worth in doing so.

This isn't to say that I'm necessarily against some kind of volunteer national service force, just that forced servitude is not the way.

originally posted by: RAY1990
a reply to: IkNOwSTuff

They taught me how to survive in a climate that progressively had less and less to offer the youth. I came from a poor background where illegal activity was rife just so people could make the old ends meet.

The OP didnt go there but I will, most of the problems highlighted have been imported, what the Boomers gave us was apathy and a desire to bend over backwards in appeasement so we arent labelled intolerant or racist

I saw the complete opposite growing up, racism and intolerance against minorities was the norm... I'm not even 30 yet. Imported my ass. I grew up in scummy Britain full of scummy Brits, non of what I speak of was imported.

Scummy how?

You do realise that what we call "racism" is actually the norm around the world and has been for the entirety of human history?

Being xenophobic of other cultures in your culture is not racism, nothing good can come from having parallel societies in the same space

I get so tired of seeing the "blame the babyboomers" line from my generation, all the while I sit here and look around and see those same people who are totally ignorant to how economics and the branches of gov ACTUALLY work.

Always blaming other people, while not taking enough responsibility to educate themselves.

Its like watching someone shoot themselves in the foot, and then blame the person who owns the gun, instead of checking for themselves if the gun was loaded.

Were LITERALLY getting dumber generation by generation.

The idiocy of this whole "Fight the power" ideology, while not know how that power actually works is mind boggling

a reply to: DAVID64
I see this written alot on here. You frequently cite this as an example of the horrors of Islam. But could you tell me to what degree is it more evil for a Muslim to throw someone off a building, for any reason, vs doing so because the target is a homosexual? Also, what statistics do you have that would illustrate a high frequency of this occurrence not only in Muslim majority nation's, but in diaspora enclaves where integration with host laws could see these types of crimes occur, relative to any other typical citizens' choice to murder by throwing off a height??

Outside of a handful of ISIS incidents in Libya, Syria and possibly some footage I think I may have seen in Egypt, I personally have not noted any statistically relevant outbreaks of Muslims murdering people by way of throwing off heights, for any reasons let alone for being homosexual.

Now, homosexuals are battered daily in the USA and England. Some fatally succumb to their injuries. Do you have any legitimate statistical evid nce that there is a significantly higher rate of targeted murder of homosexuals by method of being thrown from a height in majority Muslim jurisdictions vs any other method of murdering homosexuals in non Muslim or sectarian jurisdictions??

I only ask because you , as well as a handful of others, regularly mention this type of crime when the topic of a Muslim anything is brought up in conversation. You are basically triggered to automatically defer to a pre programmed response, and frankly I am not even certain the lot of you are aware of it.

originally posted by: worldstarcountry
a reply to: DAVID64
I see this written alot on here. You frequently cite this as an example of the horrors of Islam. But could you tell me to what degree is it more evil for a Muslim to throw someone off a building, for any reason, vs doing so because the target is a homosexual? Also, what statistics do you have that would illustrate a high frequency of this occurrence not only in Muslim majority nation's, but in diaspora enclaves where integration with host laws could see these types of crimes occur, relative to any other typical citizens' choice to murder by throwing off a height??

Outside of a handful of ISIS incidents in Libya, Syria and possibly some footage I think I may have seen in Egypt, I personally have not noted any statistically relevant outbreaks of Muslims murdering people by way of throwing off heights, for any reasons let alone for being homosexual.

Now, homosexuals are battered daily in the USA and England. Some fatally succumb to their injuries. Do you have any legitimate statistical evid nce that there is a significantly higher rate of targeted murder of homosexuals by method of being thrown from a height in majority Muslim jurisdictions vs any other method of murdering homosexuals in non Muslim or sectarian jurisdictions??

I only ask because you , as well as a handful of others, regularly mention this type of crime when the topic of a Muslim anything is brought up in conversation. You are basically triggered to automatically defer to a pre programmed response, and frankly I am not even certain the lot of you are aware of it.

Most muslim countries have penalties for being gay, death being the most common followed by caning in the more moderate countries. A prominent politician in Malaysia (ex PM) was tried or sodomy a few years ago, he was facing 200 lashes and a lengthy prison sentence. Malaysia is probably the most moderate Muslim majority country on earth.

Having lived in a Muslim country for 6 years without issue and having many muslim friends I can tell you with some certainty that we dont want any part of it in the west.
In their minds they are in a club that is in everyway superior to those not in the club and as soon as they are a large enough voting block they will push for more islamisation, not out of anger or spite, just because they are so convinced of their moral superiority that they would see it as doing us a favour.

The LGBT community will not be tolerated, you can take that to the bank

originally posted by: IkNOwSTuff

originally posted by: worldstarcountry
a reply to: DAVID64
I see this written alot on here. You frequently cite this as an example of the horrors of Islam. But could you tell me to what degree is it more evil for a Muslim to throw someone off a building, for any reason, vs doing so because the target is a homosexual? Also, what statistics do you have that would illustrate a high frequency of this occurrence not only in Muslim majority nation's, but in diaspora enclaves where integration with host laws could see these types of crimes occur, relative to any other typical citizens' choice to murder by throwing off a height??

Outside of a handful of ISIS incidents in Libya, Syria and possibly some footage I think I may have seen in Egypt, I personally have not noted any statistically relevant outbreaks of Muslims murdering people by way of throwing off heights, for any reasons let alone for being homosexual.

Now, homosexuals are battered daily in the USA and England. Some fatally succumb to their injuries. Do you have any legitimate statistical evid nce that there is a significantly higher rate of targeted murder of homosexuals by method of being thrown from a height in majority Muslim jurisdictions vs any other method of murdering homosexuals in non Muslim or sectarian jurisdictions??

I only ask because you , as well as a handful of others, regularly mention this type of crime when the topic of a Muslim anything is brought up in conversation. You are basically triggered to automatically defer to a pre programmed response, and frankly I am not even certain the lot of you are aware of it.

Having lived in a Muslim country for 6 years without issue and having many muslim friends I can tell you with some certainty that we dont want any part of it in the west.
In their minds they are in a club that is in everyway superior to those not in the club and as soon as they are a large enough voting block they will push for more islamisation, not out of anger or spite, just because they are so convinced of their moral superiority that they would see it as doing us a favour.

The LGBT community will not be tolerated, you can take that to the bank

It’s openly stated by every single muslim on earth. Total world wide islamisation is the goal.

The lgbt community aren’t the only ones that won’t be tolerated.
If anyone is interested in, well to make an inexhaustible list short, any rights or freedoms of any kind whatsoever, I’ve some bad news for you.

Living under Islam is the only way most people will learn. Like you obviously know, it’s certainly not the best is it?

Unfortunately, the defenders of this hateful bigotry don’t get to live through the oppression. They just let it in the door and put laws in place to allow it to prosper.
Then when it prospers, their children and grandchildren are put to the knife, if they’re lucky.

But I’m just ‘spreading hate and intolerance’, apparently it’s not cool to denounce racist, bigoted, supremacist ideologies.

a reply to: Malak777

aye lets save civilisation by increasing military presence and spending and indoctrinating our youth to support the military industrial complex!

well done
for that outstanding thinking !

seriously the reason we are in this mess is because of our military aggression and spending !
we dont need national service !

WOuld you even sacrifice your life , for these #in scumbags in parliament ?

who in their right mind would actually sign up for military service for these #s ! they are an absolute shower of bastards , I wouldnt even piss on them if they were on fire !

No one with a reasonable mind right now , would register to support the UK government if you do then you are #in mental

a reply to: Breakthestreak

Openbly stated aye ?

I have multiple muslim friends and none of them have ever expressed their desire to convert Scotland into a islamic state !
So you are saying they are just biding their time , before they kill or convert their friends and family who arent muslim ?

You talk rubbish , not all muslims are hardcore followers of Islam especially if they live in the UK or the west
just like not all christians are extremist god crusaders who wish to protect the church from non believers

originally posted by: worldstarcountry
a reply to: DAVID64
I see this written alot on here. You frequently cite this as an example of the horrors of Islam. But could you tell me to what degree is it more evil for a Muslim to throw someone off a building, for any reason, vs doing so because the target is a homosexual? Also, what statistics do you have that would illustrate a high frequency of this occurrence not only in Muslim majority nation's, but in diaspora enclaves where integration with host laws could see these types of crimes occur, relative to any other typical citizens' choice to murder by throwing off a height??

Outside of a handful of ISIS incidents in Libya, Syria and possibly some footage I think I may have seen in Egypt, I personally have not noted any statistically relevant outbreaks of Muslims murdering people by way of throwing off heights, for any reasons let alone for being homosexual.

Now, homosexuals are battered daily in the USA and England. Some fatally succumb to their injuries. Do you have any legitimate statistical evid nce that there is a significantly higher rate of targeted murder of homosexuals by method of being thrown from a height in majority Muslim jurisdictions vs any other method of murdering homosexuals in non Muslim or sectarian jurisdictions??

I only ask because you , as well as a handful of others, regularly mention this type of crime when the topic of a Muslim anything is brought up in conversation. You are basically triggered to automatically defer to a pre programmed response, and frankly I am not even certain the lot of you are aware of it.

Well stoning is the most popular method i hear. There's a country that recently made homosexuality a stone to death offense.