NATIONAL SERVICE could save Western Civilization

What I have witnessed in my own Western nation state leads me to conclude that we need to take desperate measures socially if we are to have any kind of continuation of our civilization. The worst offendrs have been the "boomers" who first let in the rot of our decay. This was quickly passed on through inadequate parenting to the proceeding two generations, getting worse each time.

Economists, the end is nigh if we do not assume responsibility for our states. The money we will cost ourselves because of our lameness and moral degeneracy will not be enough of a sustainable damage limitation exercise that helps to excuse the finaciers and investors of their duties to the democracies they abuse. Britain is perhaps the most extreme modern example of how it ends for the sociopolitical "abuser" of their own civilization. Nearly every "boomer" I know, even though elderly now, is some kind of financial criminal. Yes, they actual engage in finacially criminal acts and it is tolerated by the authorities who appear to turn a blind eye, but at whose expense?

It is at the expense of civilization and the utter vandalism of everything society linked. The youths we have raised are thugs with knives and guns who worship gang culture. We are severely #ed long term as "The New Silk Road" slithers through us as something superior structurally. China is winning financially and also at the World "Game of Thrones" quite obviously.

I present a way that this can be totally dealt with in one swoop of the cutlass. France is already planning to bring back National Service,

www.express.co.uk...

Macron to make national service MANDATORY for 16-year-olds in bizarre new bid for UNITY FRENCH President Emmanuel Macron will make national service mandatory for 16-year-olds under a shock new €1billion trial, it has been revealed.

I believe that this coming June Mr Macron intends to rein in these little bundles of hell and violence with all the civilization of a wild animal #ting itself trapped in the corner and "educate" them as the whelplings should indeed be educated, as a measure against our barbaric collective human nature tendencies when void of civity and education. If you let them grow wild, unkempt and leave a vacuum then clearly all you will get is an aggressive wild thing good for nothing except using as trashy fodder for your fun and games or to extract wealth from like silver from dross.

If anybody actually cares any more about themselves or their nation then perhaps we should all be thinking along the same lines as Macron and Israel too. Knowing what I know I would definitely bring back national service for 16 year olds unless they are going on into some form of definite skills training or higher education. We could turn them into young adults with a sense of duty and responsibility socially instead of gang fodder.

There is so much work to be done and this would be a very cheap way to "catch up" on all the neglect of the selfish "boomers". We could have them looking after the elderly, doing environmental work, care work of all kinds, farming related experience that encourages an environmental conscience, the obvious military skills training normally associated with national service, you name it we could encourage the kids to develop a sense of duty related to it.

As it stands we are dooming ourselves in a single generation. The kind of societies we will have set against the problems we will be faced with will bring us a chaos that will not be worth living in for all the misery we will have in our faces as karma for our yesterday's inadequacies and corruption.

Yes, Macron is right. This should set a trend. It would do wonders for Britain and the U.S. Israel have it and they are a very ordered society. They still have freedom, bu they teach their young a sense of duty and society, and boy does it show. Israel is most definitely looking socially superior to murdering little dirty hole London right now. Even my own are selfish and corrupt criminals dodging the law because of their own greed, lack of duty and care to their society, and ultimately their civilization.

China and Russia, the world is yours! The West if it continues like this will be the spoils for the birds of the air to feast upon.


Interesting that the "birds of the air feeding on flesh" so often used as a metaphor in the Bible goes well back in time to the origins of Western civilization in Mesopotamia. Yes, the Bible remembered way back to Semite origins and to the ancient sky burials praticed by those people. In Tibet sky burial or celetsial burial is still practiced.

The West needs to get its ass in order or it is doomed. Its present course, well let's say the UK tells us exactly where we are headed - down a smelly drain of our own corruption, greed and ignorance. I must end my thread here as the bad smell from the drain is too much for me to handle any longer. Pooooh, what as stinker you are Britain. Lol, as if you got what it takes to ever be a functioning nation again. You are just a weak and corrupted old criminal ready to be hacked to pieces by all who hate you for how you treated them.

Teach the kids quick and make it work! We could transform our societies very quickly and insure against our old age that there will actually be somebody there who will nurse us insteead of just stealing from us and beating us. Learn quick or perish. Don't be a carcass for the vultures you corrupt old-geezer of-a-civilization.



Would you believe it I used to be the most liberal dude on the planet. My careful scrutiny of the human condition has informed me that civilization requires civility and some kind of order. This is most definitely investor friendly and would save us trillions in the end if we actually bothered to try and make something of this ineffective money burning corrupt catastrophe.

Totally willing to put my money where my mouth is. Even now I would still love to to do a couple of years service mending my society rather than witness all this crap of deterioration.

a reply to: Malak777

The first few paragraphs sound like being from Hitlers' "Mein Kampf". BE PREPARED AND LET OUR YOUTH TAKE UP THE GOOD FIGHT!

No, thats not how you or Macron should solve this. And I haven't read the article, but I guess that Macron didn't have something rascist in mind.

When it is punishable to punish your children , then you get the unpunishable leadership as we are seeing these days.

originally posted by: musicismagic
When it is punishable to punish your children , then you get the unpunishable leadership as we are seeing these days.

And stop raising entitled snowflakes?

originally posted by: eletheia

originally posted by: musicismagic
When it is punishable to punish your children , then you get the unpunishable leadership as we are seeing these days.

And stop raising entitled snowflakes?

Thank you

While I am all for some sort of social service, to teach the young people useful skills and self reliance, we first need to completely overhaul the entire political and social structure, otherwise it's just another means of providing cannon fodder for the warmongers and bankers.
Everything these days is done for profit! If someone, somewhere is not making themselves rich, or richer, then it has no chance of being enacted. Doing things for the betterment of society as a whole just doesn't cut it unfortunately as the political class, those career politicians, spend most of their time and energy keeping the rest of us down, enriching themselves and engaging in criminal activity that they pass laws to protect, when it's them doing it.

If society is ever to change, in any meaningful way, we therefore need to keep those who crave power out of office at all costs. I know, I almost sound like a "Socialist" here but the alternative, as we see right now, is corporate fascism and totalitarianism, giving the illusion of choice with regular elections, but still controlled by the same old monied power elites.

There is urban decay everywhere which could easily be fixed, but we first need to foster some sense of pride in society and involve them in changing it and building a better place for us all. Lowered educational standards, the selfie, me-me-me generation growing up on a diet of pulp Tv and reality Tv stars / celebrities, corporate media entertainment created plastic people living plastic lives, that the public are spoon fed and strive to emulate, all drive down basic morality and ethical behaviour. In short, it's simple social engineering to keep the masses dumbed down and more controllable.

well it's a good thing that millennials are more worried about civics than the previous 2 generations, in spite of what you all think of them, just not the civics you want them to be worried about.

ssir.org...

A lot of this article is ideological drivel. However if you read between the lines, you can see what is going on. Millennials have been left behind, and now that they are the largest voting block, expect what is due to you for leaving them behind by selling out your countrymen by buying foreign goods, and shipping jobs overseas. You brought it on yourselves.

originally posted by: Britguy

While I am all for some sort of social service, to teach the young people useful skills and self reliance, we first need to completely overhaul the entire political and social structure, otherwise it's just another means of providing cannon fodder for the warmongers and bankers.
Everything these days is done for profit! If someone, somewhere is not making themselves rich, or richer, then it has no chance of being enacted. Doing things for the betterment of society as a whole just doesn't cut it unfortunately as the political class, those career politicians, spend most of their time and energy keeping the rest of us down, enriching themselves and engaging in criminal activity that they pass laws to protect, when it's them doing it.

If society is ever to change, in any meaningful way, we therefore need to keep those who crave power out of office at all costs. I know, I almost sound like a "Socialist" here but the alternative, as we see right now, is corporate fascism and totalitarianism, giving the illusion of choice with regular elections, but still controlled by the same old monied power elites.

There is urban decay everywhere which could easily be fixed, but we first need to foster some sense of pride in society and involve them in changing it and building a better place for us all. Lowered educational standards, the selfie, me-me-me generation growing up on a diet of pulp Tv and reality Tv stars / celebrities, corporate media entertainment created plastic people living plastic lives, that the public are spoon fed and strive to emulate, all drive down basic morality and ethical behaviour. In short, it's simple social engineering to keep the masses dumbed down and more controllable.

Convenience is what is destroying modern mankind. I see it Japan where it is becoming not the land of the rising sun, but a land of "let's party life away". It's sad to see the young ones blowing their grandparents wealth that they left them. So sad.

originally posted by: eletheia

originally posted by: musicismagic
When it is punishable to punish your children , then you get the unpunishable leadership as we are seeing these days.

And stop raising entitled snowflakes?

To both of you: I would love to be easy going and believe in the better qualities of the human, but even Jesus did not do that - for very good reason.

I say this of myself,too, that humans are very dangerous wild animals when not educated and trained properly. Each generation we are avoiding responsibility. If we do not care and avoid our responsibility then it is obvious we will end up wiith violent gang culture. In the working class now on the estates it is much better to be in a gang. You have lots more money for easy work, even less chance of being murdered because you have better protection from your fellow gang members than you get with the police and authorities (who do not give a hoot about our security any longer because they are not funded properly as the "boomers" dodfe the law financially) and at least some kind of network and identity.

I was in Leicester, UK, for a few days and stayed in the Muslim area. I was well impressed with their civility and society. The kids are very good and very polite, even to me who am not Muslim. I truly believe that Islamic community is morally in much better health than the native former Christian British. I can't actually believe my eyes that it has degenerated so quickly. I don't like what my parents are about. I find them very greedy, selfish, ignorant and neglecting. They did not live up to their responsibilities to me as my parents. They were more interested in making illegal money. I love them, but I see clearly how corrupt they are and how that has destroyed Britain as this generation have beaved like this en masse and it has shown in their political choices. They are a terribly corrupt, abusing and neglecting generation.

I think we could mend this, but it would be hard work. I don't see that happening though. Maybe America will wise up and order itself, Germany might, France is already trying, but Britain? There seems to be nothing I can get hold of politically to have any kind of faith in. Our religion is dead. Christianity has been totally discredited by those who abused their authority. It is dead as a national teacher of morality and behavior through corruption and neglect (and downright deliberate murder of its structure politically). That leaves only the state as a means of social development. Marx was certainly right about state being necessary if religion is absent. We have to have some authority, some kind of shaping force because people, left to themselves, become very cruel and barbaric very quickly. I find the British society to be very ugly and inadequate now, if there is indeed any kind of society left at all. It only follows that we will become vulture food if we continue this way.

Just the "thoughts of a dry brain in a dry season". Our schools have let us down. They are churning out thugs good for nothing in the less well offf areas. It is not the thug's fault. They are the victim. I am not blaming them. I am blaming the ones who have let them down and did not raise them or care about them. I could easily have been another thug if I had not educated myself and took an interest in religion and morality. Education and training work. They are vital. Without that all we have is barbarism.

I'm knackered now after writing all this on a Sunday morning when I have had such a sleepless night of general social and political anxiety. At least it shows I do care.

a reply to: Britguy

Yes, so right you are.

The boomers have let us down economically and politically. Theirs is the politics of all you mention. Change depends so much on education and perception. I worry that even the best of us is no longer adequately educationally empowered to see the wood for the trees.

I want to point out generally there is no racist motive pursued here. This is directed at the whole shebang.

I think that some form of contributory service is good for young adults, and for the community at large.

People equate national service to be "doing time" in the military, but actually it could be (and should be) doing stuff for the community and the common good. There are myriad roles from doing work in schools, working with the elderly, environmental work. Such a thing will instil life skills into young people, and give them a sense of worth.

Sadly, any proposal for this type of thing will get shot down by politicians who purport to be progressives, but are actually regressive.

originally posted by: ManFromEurope
a reply to: Malak777

The first few paragraphs sound like being from Hitlers' "Mein Kampf". BE PREPARED AND LET OUR YOUTH TAKE UP THE GOOD FIGHT!

No, thats not how you or Macron should solve this. And I haven't read the article, but I guess that Macron didn't have something rascist in mind.

There isnt one mention of race in the whole OP and I dont think Hitler had a monopoly on highlighting moral degeneracy.
Says alot about you that you thought along racial lines though, youre a closet racist, the most despicable kind of racist who hides their inner thoughts behind a thin veneer of virtue signalling and tokenism.

The OP didnt go there but I will, most of the problems highlighted have been imported, what the Boomers gave us was apathy and a desire to bend over backwards in appeasement so we arent labelled intolerant or racist

This morning has been a watershed for me. I am having to acknowledge that Christianity is finished in Britain in terms of potency and purpose. There is no way short of a miracle of us ever turning back in enough numbers to make it our national cultural identity. The Western individual is too full of beads and trinkets (I Phones and Social Media) to even have any awareness of the cogs of existence that must be kept greased and not neglected to the point they rust and the whole machine falls apart. Also, there are so many diverse religions in the UK that we would be culturally marginalizing and state backing a social in-crowd of exclusivity and inclusvity. Once the bough breaks there is no return back to the perch in the canopy. The foreign big investors who own our asses will not like it if we marginalize their religious kin and who could blame them?

The only way multiculture can happen with any form of social cohesion is via strong state. It has to be some kind of Marxist approximation. That is the tragedy of "losing (our) religion". What replaces it is always inferior, less human and more machine like and impersonally cruel at times. With religion and authentic spiritual discipline comes compassion. How is the state gonna teach people to be compassionate? Political correctness is only creating frustration and fragmentation as I see it. It is not a solution. PC is the worst irritant and is lighter fuel to the fire.

In terms of state China has the strongest order. It is dominating everything else it comes in to contact with. Marxism in hybrid form has yet won the day and Mao is the political victor. Our own corruption and self destruction makes the state ever more necessary, useful and powerful. Marxism never assassinasted religion. It just capitalized on the mess the murderers in the cathedral left behind them.

I have been thinking hard about our future as a civilization. The future is very bleak for our "Bleak House". Once multiculturalism has a foot-hold there can be no monopoly on religion and morality. We must go on as fragmented minorities at loggerheads with each other politically in competition and the fittest of the fittest shall survive in the feuding competition of political and social interests, like vultures fighting over post-codes (zip-codes). PC is not working. It is inflamation only and as weak as a tyrant's integrity gone unchecked. The state must evolve to maintain some kind of order, structure and cohesion or we will end up like gangs at war with every accompanying savagery and Mexican misery. It is becoming what I was most fearing, a post "Inferno" Rome of feuding minority interests, food for certain vultures who will make capital out of these carcasses.

Or should we put a bet on Jesus suddenly showing Himself and making everything better like Fairy Godmother? Can't see that happening any time soon, can you? The state it is then. Every civilization ends "not with a bang but a whimper". I am alluding all over the place here. I wonder if you know the works I am referring to? See, you don't know, that is how much you have neglected your own cutlure, to your utter detriment and poverty of substance. "Vacant shuttles weave the wind". "Oh cursed spite".

I know, let's solve it by making abortion, extreme feminism, transgenderism and gay sex our god of freedom to worship as our official rainbow religion. That should be a nice final nail in our coffin. Well done, chaps. Happy our funeral said Socrates to his little boy lover as he got poisoned for being a civilization destroying worm. Strong poison to drink to be sure.



Dying little baby, screaming...

In this story, Socrates has been convicted of corrupting the youth of Athens and introducing strange gods, and has been sentenced to die by drinking poison hemlock. Socrates uses his death as a final lesson for his pupils rather than fleeing when the opportunity arises, and faces it calmly.

a reply to: Malak777


I totally agree

originally posted by: Britguy

it's just another means of providing cannon fodder for the warmongers and bankers.

I've seen Army Recruitment pop-up shops appearing in East Anglian towns. Always saddened when I see this, always wonder why. Are there plans we have not been advised of or if as now, could any such plans be the harbinger of the proposed Pan-European 'super army'?

So in reality you want the army, navy and air force to take over the discipline of your child rather than do it yourselves. That's called passing the buck.

I was in Leicester, UK, for a few days and stayed in the Muslim area. I was well impressed with their civility and society. The kids are very good and very polite, even to me who am not Muslim. I truly believe that Islamic community is morally in much better health than the native former Christian British. I can't actually believe my eyes that it has degenerated so quickly. I don't like what my parents are about. I find them very greedy, selfish, ignorant and neglecting. They did not live up to their responsibilities to me as my parents. They were more interested in making illegal money. I love them, but I see clearly how corrupt they are and how that has destroyed Britain as this generation have beaved like this en masse and it has shown in their political choices. They are a terribly corrupt, abusing and neglecting generation. 

Because you can legally beat your wife and throw gay people off the roof, right ?
Yeah...we need more of that kind of civility.

Stop whining about your parents . You are old enough to take charge of your own life and if you haven't, it's your own damn fault, so quit looking for reasons to blame anyone other than your own poor choices and failings.

You are the very definition of entitled snowflake.

a reply to: Malak777

France is already trying,

How is France trying, when it out and about beating protesters who just want a fair go?

National service may teach conformance and learning to obey but lets face it - its just training for cannon fodder for WW3.

We've seen how the Govts looked after the Vietnam vets...theres always billions for the MIC whilst disability pensions are barely at subsistence level.

a reply to: Malak777

Community service is a wonderful thing when done from the heart... when forced to do it though, it's involuntary servitude. Slavery.

There is only one way to "fix" society, and that is to empower people with the skills and tools and resources to be self-sufficient and independent. People who know how to take care of themselves, and have the skills and tools and other resources to take care of themselves, do take care of themselves and don't need or want government/corporate interference in their lives.

People who have the skills and tools and resources to be self-sufficient and independent appreciate and value all the things that go into that. Including valuing and appreciating themselves, which extends to others. And when people can take care of themselves and are secure and stable in their own lives, are usually very happy to help others when they need help, to give back to their communities in various ways without being FORCED to do so. And usually in far more effective and practical ways than those who would force servitude for their own benefit.

Power and control over others is the problem. Not the solution.