Could Magnetic Bacteria Hold The Key To Experiancers?

originally posted by: The Great Day

originally posted by: bobs_uruncle

originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: pigsy2400

I wonder what would happened if you ran this thing over your head several times:

Extremely Large Heavy Magnet 100 pound pulling strength

I wonder if it would eff up your thinking. I would never do it. It would probably kill you.

Ever had an mri? Or you could try what I have, a 14 tesla (140,000 Gauss) adiabatic reactor. It will erase credit cards at more than 6 feet away lol. It erased all of my credit cards a few times, but hasn't hurt me at all. At least that's what the voices in my head tell me when I can hear past the neurological tinnitus lol.

Cheers - Dave

I just had an MRI for tinnitus! I could feel my head pulsating....must have been the iron bacteria

So you possibly have the same basic kind of tinnitus. I believe mine is possibly myelin sheath/insulator breakdown based causing cross talk between nerve bundles as the mri couldn't locate the issue. It could also be interference between my real mind elsewhere and the neurological tether interface lol. Let me know your results in pm if possible as I am always interested in comparing notes and finding solutions. The virtual loudness of my tinnitus is now at the level of a box fan on high at 2 feet or wind noise in a vehicle with an open window at 40 mph.

Cheers - Dave

originally posted by: pigsy2400
a reply to: KilgoreTrout

Ahh thanks KG I was unaware of this, appreciate your input on this thread, as I do in others

I appreciate the interesting discussion topic, so we're evens.

Just in case in isn't obvious, all the studies listed, particularly post 18th-19th century, are quackery claims at therapeutic benefits. Not saying that there are not legitimate studies, but none of those listed are that. They're largely just remnants of Galenism. I wasn't sure if that was clear.

a reply to: AlanHenderson

I totally agree. The IC community are nothing but a bunch of overpaid, sinister, fake patriots having nil knowledge of anything beyond the mundane.

There is an interesting recent article in BBC's "Science Focus" magazine this month concerning the topics here.

Humans may have an ancient ability to sense magnetic fields

Crystals found in our grey matter may help us to navigate using the Earth's magnetic field.

Humans may have a sixth sense enabling them to sense Earth’s magnetic field. Known as magnetorecepetion, the sense is one of the ways birds and fish are able to navigate huge distances with surprising accuracy – a built-in compass for journeys across the globe. But until now, it hadn’t been seen in humans....

Joe Kirschvink, a geophysicist at Caltech and one of the authors of the study, proposes a way that this could be happening inside our brains. Magnetite, iron crystals found in human cells, could be affected by the Earth’s magnetic field like miniature compass needles. It’s a phenomenon that’s been seen in many north-sensing creatures.....

“Many animal tissues make tiny magnetic crystals,” Kirschvink said. “The best example is the magnetotactic bacteria. There’s enough magnetite in their cells to passively torque them into alignment with Earth’s magnetic field. So what we’re saying is that there are cells containing tiny magnetite crystals that are doing this somewhere in the nervous system and sending signals to our brain.”....

“The brain perceives a lot of things that we’re not consciously aware of,” Kirschvink said. “In fact, the trigeminal nerve, which we think is bringing in this information, most of its sensory inputs are not within our conscious awareness. On the other hand, there may be humans who are aware of this and we just haven’t found them yet.”

Full article : BBC Science Focus Magazine

a reply to: mirageman

Very interesting, mm...

originally posted by: pigsy2400
"Does a simple but not fully understood magnetic particle in human brains hold the answer or some partial answer to episodes of high strangeness?"

It appears as though we make our own magnetite in-house, it is currently believed that ferritin is the precursor to magnetite synthesis. Our lives depend upon iron and it is very hard to come by in a bio-available form due to our oxygen-rich environment. A vast amount of behind the scenes work goes on monitoring and maintaining our iron levels and in ensuring that there is sufficient iron in case of emergency. Too little and too much can cause systemic failure and be fatal (if left untreated). I think that this can explain some instances of experiences but there is no need, other than perhaps exposure to toxic food or a polluted environment, to look for an external source.

a reply to: KilgoreTrout

Yes indeed, it's the biomineralisation of the magnetotatic bacteria which then creates the magnetite itself within the brain and the natural world.

In terms of pollution having an effect on the levels within the brain, there are conflicting theories in the scientific community as to whether this has an effect or not. It appears there is quite a few scientific arguments for and against this magnetic particle!

This experiment here highlights one aspect of that argument but also against it in terms of of causing alzheimers or not;
phys.org...

The interesting parts of this particle is that it is possible to control individual cells. The membrane that surrounds the bacteria means that when the bacteria undergoes "bio-engineering" and the proteins are edited to make them more or less magnetic, when reinserted into the body they are not rejected.

There is also the possibility of them transmitting individual electrons too...and also utilising their magnetic charms to target Brian tumors and cancers.

The application of the bacteria themselves are fascinating and there is much talk within the bio-technological community as to what they can do with these bacteria in the future and applications...

Even DARPA are interested which always worries me....especially with their Brain to Computer Interface stuff...

Organic iron in vegetables. In bio-dynamic agriculture stinging nettles are specialists for the regulation of organic iron in the household of Nature.

Inorganic iron such as supliments will kill small children.

If inorganic minerals are given to the body, it can fool the body into thinking it has a surplus when little of it is useable.

A difference between the inorganic and organic mineral.

a reply to: mirageman

In terms of high-strangeness, I am wondering if the fact that the magnetite crystals have been associated with Alzheimers Disease, and AD is associated with damage to the Hippocampus, as is medial Temporal Lobe epilepsy, that clues may be better looked for in the hippocampus in general.

The third important theory of hippocampal function relates the hippocampus to space. The spatial theory was originally championed by O'Keefe and Nadel, who were influenced by E.C. Tolman's theories about "cognitive maps" in humans and animals. O'Keefe and his student Dostrovsky in 1971 discovered neurons in the rat hippocampus that appeared to them to show activity related to the rat's location within its environment.[41] Despite skepticism from other investigators, O'Keefe and his co-workers, especially Lynn Nadel, continued to investigate this question, in a line of work that eventually led to their very influential 1978 book The Hippocampus as a Cognitive Map.[42] There is now almost universal agreement that hippocampal function plays an important role in spatial coding, but the details are widely debated.[43]

Later research has focused on trying to bridge the disconnect between the two main views of hippocampal function as being split between memory and spatial cognition. In some studies, these areas have been expanded to the point of near convergence. In an attempt to reconcile the two disparate views it is suggested that a broader view of the hippocampal function is taken and seen to have a role that encompasses both the organisation of experience (mental mapping), (as per Tolman's original concept in 1948) and the directional behaviour seen as being involved in all areas of cognition. So that the function of the hippocampus can be viewed as a broader system that incorporates both the memory and the spatial perspectives in its role that involves the use of a wide scope of cognitive maps.[44] This relates to the purposive behaviorism born of Tolman's original goal of identifying the complex cognitive mechanisms and purposes that guided behaviour.[45]

It has also been proposed that the spiking activity of hippocampal neurons is associated spatially, and it was suggested that the mechanisms of memory and planning both evolved from mechanisms of navigation and that their neuronal algorithms were basically the same.[46]

en.wikipedia.org...

The crystals rather than a vestigal ability of navigation possibly interact with other inputs to place us in space and time. Is it possible that under certain influences those same crystals and their interactions with our other senses, can displace us in space and time?

originally posted by: pigsy2400
Yes indeed, it's the biomineralisation of the magnetotatic bacteria which then creates the magnetite itself within the brain and the natural world.

Yes, but what I was saying is that like the bacteria we make our own magnetite. The bacteria seem to make the best and most efficient though, nice regular and orderly crystals which might make then a preferable source of magnetite, if our systems have such a preference. Indeed, the bacteria may even have evolved to exploit such a preference. I don't know but either way the magnetite in our brains isn't necessarily bacterial...

...until proven otherwise

I would like this to be true. but.
I have had a brain scan, and I do have one!
but with that VERY powerful magnet I felt nothing at all!

I have try'd magnets and powerful amplifier with a coil under my pillow.
trying all types of frequency. all night!
I never fell't or got any reaction at all!
after each of them I never felt any disoriented.

A few insights from a different direction. Someone might find them insightful.

In addition to iron look at magnesium and manganese. There is both a native form and a form one might call "impurities" in the brain. Bacterial and fungal. Viruses can also be called "impuritities".

It has been mentioned before that organisms can aquire memories.

There was a acience experiment where aquatic arrow worms were conditioned to fear a light being turned on above their aquarium.

The worms were electrocuted when a light was turned on. With repitition the worms would cringe even when it was just the light.

Arrow worms are canibalistic. So the scientist cut them up into pieces and fed them to other unconditioned arrow worms.

A light was then turned on and all the unconditioned worms cringed.

Memory transfer through canibalism. (Isn't science wonderful kids?)

So a basis for bacteria etc to "aquire" memories from their hosts.

This opens up the idea of symbiotic relationships between human and other organisms.

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In alzhiemers there is an odd thing to inner sight. Within the brain there is something like little yellow worms. These are memories that become loose and unconnected. Research suggests a bacteria in the brain causes alzhiemers.

With "greys" and their "science", they work with memories. If you ever get the chance to be present when they "operate" on people you will learn this.

The greys can replicate or remove completely memory "strings". "Strings" is not quite right. More like bright yellow overcooked spaghetti.

The "impurities" make this possible.

Memory "strings" get transplanted into other greys by the way. They are very much "composite" beings.

"Greys" are just one aspect of the "phenomenon". Nature spirits for example don't make use of the "impurities". They can just light up different areas of the brain with different brain waves to say; confuse people who tresspass in the forrests.

Afterthought

Don't hold a grudge against the "greys". This is just their way of aquiring knowledge and building organic based intellegent libraries.

Human scientists do worse things to animals and people in their laboratories.

There are some interesting slides here from December 2001 in relation to a DARPA program called; BioMagic, below are the slides and I have found the budgeting documents for the program(s) which I will post later that was authorised in June of 2001.









This slide in relation to the magnetic particles is most interesting;

originally posted by: pigsy2400
This slide in relation to the magnetic particles is most interesting;

The phrase I have been seeing is "little understood" in relation to these magnetic particles so I think that they are stretching more than a little there and I should imagine, if they have read the studies available, that it has dawned on them that it would be far from straightforward and the unintended conseqences could be catastrophic. If they're looking at better guidance systems, and they always are, I think they're barking up the wrong tree, plenty of much better options, speed isn't everything always.

a reply to: KilgoreTrout

Well this is back in 2001...I am currently following this and subsequent programs since that time to try and plot where the program went and how it evolved and how far along they got and where those applications went from that point to today.

In terms of the "magnetic particles" - I agree its experimental at best at what I have looked at so far (2001). The EMF effects on the brain and the whole DARPA programs/projects at looking into the whole Human-Brain interface are very interesting to continue researching even if these particles play little to no part in this.

Synthetic Biology has been an emerging field over the last few years and its implications are quite frankly terrifying.

Here is the Amended Funding Budget Submission June 2001;


www.globalsecurity.org...

For those that don't want to go through the whole PDF, here are a few interesting excerpts;

A number of key focus areas have been identified including: multidisciplinary programs in BioComputational Systems; Simulation of Bio-Molecular Microsystems; Bio Futures; Biological Adaptation; Assembly and Manufacture; and Nanostructure in Biology. A component these programs offer will be the identification, development and demonstration of new mathematical algorithms that enable the representation of biological systems and the identification of the emergence of biologically inspired algorithms for these complex, non-linear problems.

The Simulation of Bio-Molecular Microsystems (SIMBIOSYS) program will focus on methods to dramatically improve the interaction and integration of biological elements with synthetic materials in the context of microsystems. SIMBIOSYS will explore fundamental properties and compatibility of biological elements at surfaces through experimental and theoretical analyses. Key phenomena to be studied include molecular recognition processes, signal transduction phenomena, and micro- and nano-scale transport of biological molecules. Engineering of biological systems may be used to manipulate these fundamental characteristics and optimize the integration of biological elements with synthetic materials for information collection.

The Nanostructure in Biology program will investigate the nanostructure properties of biological materials in order to better understand their behavior and thereby accelerate their exploitation for Defense applications. The tools and approaches developed under this program will have a significant impact in a variety of critical, non-biological Defense technologies that rely on phenomena occurring at the nanoscale level.

For example, The Molecular Observation, Spectroscopy, and Imaging using Cantilevers (MOSIAC) program will develop new instrumentation computational tools and algorithms for real-time atomic level resolution 3D static or dynamic imaging of molecules and nanostructures. This new information about biomolecules will provide important new leads for the development of threat countermeasures, biomolecular sensors and motors and molecular interventions to enhance and improve human performance.

The Bio-Magnetics Interfacing Concepts (Bio-MagIC) program will explore nano-scale magnetism as a novel transduction mechanism for the detection, manipulation and actuation of biological function in cells and single molecules. The core technologies to be developed will focus on the many technical challenges that must be addressed in order to integrate nano-scale magnetism with biology at the cellular and molecular level, and to ultimately detect and manipulate magnetically ‘tagged” bio-molecules and cells.

These programs will present unprecedented new opportunities to exploit a wide range of bio-functionality for a number of DoD applications including chemical and biological sensing, diagnostics and therapeutics.

a reply to: mirageman

Dowsers have been doing that for a long time.

a reply to: AlanHenderson

Its how they found water when they were building "the ranch" out in the desert

Here is an interesting development regarding brain implants;

Developing a hippocampal neural prosthetic to facilitate human memory encoding and recall;


"Objective. We demonstrate here the first successful implementation in humans of a proof-of-concept system for restoring and improving memory function via facilitation of memory encoding using the patient's own hippocampal spatiotemporal neural codes for memory.

Memory in humans is subject to disruption by drugs, disease and brain injury, yet previous attempts to restore or rescue memory function in humans typically involved only nonspecific, modulation of brain areas and neural systems related to memory retrieval."



iopscience.iop.org...

originally posted by: pigsy2400
Well this is back in 2001...I am currently following this and subsequent programs since that time to try and plot where the program went and how it evolved and how far along they got and where those applications went from that point to today.

In terms of the "magnetic particles" - I agree its experimental at best at what I have looked at so far (2001). The EMF effects on the brain and the whole DARPA programs/projects at looking into the whole Human-Brain interface are very interesting to continue researching even if these particles play little to no part in this.

The difficulty for me is that the research that is getting the most traction are those that attract defense funding, therefore the field is skewed out of all shape, veering towards utter pointlessness because the US defense budget is so huge and that is being exploited by money driven science adding neither useful conclusions or indeed any insight into wider implications. Meanwhile, those making truly ground-breaking discoveries on a micro scale, such as Persinger, are being marginalised and are suffering from the lack of funds to expand his group's work.

It would appear to me, that without a fuller understanding of the role that magnetite plays physiologically, or indeed without knowing how magnetite that enters our systems from outside reacts with or contrary to that which is synthesised, that such research is essentially little more than masturbatory exercises to line pockets and any potential such research may have on gaining the edge over enemies is emphasised in order to get more money to expand the circle jerk.