UK Muslims protest LGBTQ information

I have to say I completely agree with them.

I don't agree with their position exactly as it appears to come from a place of hate, however I wholly disagree that 5-8 year old children should be taught about sexuality, homosexuality or otherwise, or gender re-assignment.

They can be taught tolerance to all people without having sex rammed down their throats at such a young age. How can it be beneficial to explain not just the normal way sex happens between people 4 times their age, which they have zero understanding of, but further, teach them that everyone's kinks and abnormal sexualities are in fact, normal.

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
You're the sick puppy who would force other parents to raise their kids as you see fit, OK not sick puppy, more like authoritarian douchebag forcing your morals onto others.

Ummm... go back and read my posts, you're about as far off the mark as you could be (I'm one of the ones saying parents should be able to raise their children as they see fit, without coercion from anyone else).

originally posted by: ScepticScot
Parents don't own their kids (arguably kids might own their parents).

Ah, so you're one of 'those' wackjobs. Got it... now I know there is no need to even try to debate you.

Their right to receive a decent education trumps your right to be a bigot.

First - no, actually, it doesn't. Parents have the Right to teach their children as they see fit, even if you don't agree with it.

Second - please provide just one example of anything I've ever said that is bigoted.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: ScepticScot
I do know that the intolerance cones from those who are scared that their children will find out that gay people are real nothing to be afraid of.

Fortunately in the majority of cases they will and leave the prejudices of their parents behind.

You are blinded by intolerance.

You ass-u-me that just because I don't want 'The State' indoctrinating my kids (teaching anything beyond what they are supposed to be teaching - reading, writing, arithmetic), that I am anti-gay. I am not.

I am, however, 100% against opening the door to The State being able to decide what is best for my children.

Take your radical, State Worshiping beliefs elsewhere, please, our country, the land of the free and home of the brave, wants nothing to do with your Socialist/Fascist ideas.

Again parents don't own their children, they have rights as well. There is nothing radical or state worshipping about that.

Since this is a thread about UK think its you who needs to go.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: ScepticScot
Parents don't own their kids (arguably kids might own their parents).

Ah, so you're one of 'those' wackjobs. Got it... now I know there is no need to even try to debate you.

Their right to receive a decent education trumps your right to be a bigot.

First - no, actually, it doesn't. Parents have the Right to teach their children as they see fit, even if you don't agree with it.

Second - please provide just one example of anything I've ever said that is bigoted.

So your rights override your kids?

I assume you are in favour of child labour then, why shouldn't you be able to make a buck out of something you own.

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

Gay conversion therapy is when parents send their gay kids to camps to be turned straight again..

If these conversion theray classes work, then children should go to them if the really want help in dealing with it or should at least try it. It's better to have tried than not to have tried. at least later in life, that person can say they tried but it didn't work.

Around 6% of the population (in the UK, at least) is gay. While Muslims won't like it, that percentage probably applies to them. Denying a persons sexuality and forcing them into a life that they won't like is not a kind thing to do, but unfortunately in some unenlightened cultures that is the norm. This particularly impacts girls and women, but men also suffer by being made to marry and lead a "normal" life for fear of social stigma, but women are more controlled and repressed.

Not to mention that in most Muslim countries the fear gay people is so heightened, they execute them.

originally posted by: ScepticScot
Again parents don't own their children, they have rights as well. There is nothing radical or state worshipping about that.

You are making the claim that 'The State' has a superior claim of ownership over the children than the parents.

Nothing could be more twisted/distorted - and yes, 'State Worshiping' - than that.

Since this is a thread about UK think its you who needs to go.

Nope, pretty much a universal concept.

originally posted by: ScepticScot
So your rights override your kids?

Minor children have a very limited subset of Rights. They have the Right to Life. they do not have the Right to vote. They do not have full Rights to Property. And they certainly don't have the Right to dictate terms to their parents.

I assume you are in favour of child labour then,

So typical, resort to ludicrous extremes to try to make a point.

That said - yes, I believe that children should be able to work if they want to to earn extra money. In fact, I think it is a great way for them to learn the value of labor and a dollar.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: ScepticScot
Again parents don't own their children, they have rights as well. There is nothing radical or state worshipping about that.

You are making the claim that 'The State' has a superior claim of ownership over the children than the parents.

Nothing could be more twisted/distorted - and yes, 'State Worshiping' - than that.

Since this is a thread about UK think its you who needs to go.

Nope, pretty much a universal concept.

Really where did I make that claim? I will give you a hint I didn't and your talking bollocks.

Oh and you are the one that brought up nationality.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: rickymouse
a reply to: ScepticScot

Ok, I remember when a black person had to be hired, just because he was black. If any black person applied, that black person had to be hired over a way more qualified person, I actually did great on a civil service exam for the post office, but I could not get hired because they had to hire a black person for the job. So, the post office never got a needed postman because there were no blacks in our area, they went over a year short handed till a black person applied. And you are telling me I am being misled? The head of the post office was a friend of our family, he wanted to give me the job since I passed the exam with flying colors, there were also other local people he knew that qualified, but they were not black. I just got the best score, which should have qualified me over everyone else.

They got rid of that practice a few years ago, but there are still programs that minorities get extra benefits from, I actually know a few people personally that have benefited by their minority status. They will not deny that their race gave them benefits that others do not get. Maybe you should actually do some research on this, looking for the truth of the matter.

Well not sure what country you are in because that was never the case in the UK.

Also completely not sure what the relevance to the thread is.

I am from the USA. We had Affirmative action here for many years. Also, my son in law is Hispanic, he is a Resident alien now and there are special scholarships for my grandkids because their father is a Hispanic immigrant. I also know a couple of Muslim families here and my other daughter knows them well, they do not want these Islamic Refugees coming here, they moved here to get away from that kind of life, but they have heard through their own grapevine that some of those Refugees and immigrants coming over now are radicallizing the Young Muslims, they just want the life they moved here for, to get away from having their kids turned into the wrong kind of kids. These two families I personally know are no problem and I would not want others around here targeting these families because of the locals getting all worked up bacause some radicalized kids did something elsewhere in this nation.

I do not have Islamaphobia, I actually like the people in those two families, they are a little different but are good people.

Bringing in improperly vetted Muslims can lead to more racial tensions which lead to good Muslim families getting targeted by people. I think the people who are doing this forced relocation are stupid, dumb, imbecilic, idiots, and I can keep going on and on. Too many too fast is the problem, we can live with Muslims that do want to fit into our society, we cannot live with those who want to shove their beliefs and social ways down our throats. Or with the young who believe they can rape our young women because they are not dressed appropriately for their religious beliefs.

a reply to: MisterSpock

The best part will be when a homosexual gets the police involved because they feel they are being bullied or hate-speeched over these demonstrations.

Just imagine the Bobbies showing up to arrest someone for their religious beliefs.

Also--to be fair---I am not against homosexuality at all--just tired of these woke left warriors not realizing the fox in their henhouse--or queenhouse???? It totally undermines all their arguments but of course they never see it.

originally posted by: ScepticScot
Really where did I make that claim?

When you said that you had the Right to use the power of The State to indoctrinate my children against my wishes.

I will give you a hint I didn't and your talking bollocks.

I await your apology...

Oh and you are the one that brought up nationality.

???

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: Wardaddy454

OK then, sending your kids to have therapy to remove the gay from them is really messed up, sounds like parents that do that could use some education because that's some medieval messed up intolerance.

I don't know how Desmond is dealing with dancing at the nightclub, maybe he really likes it, I would be far more concerned about parents sending their kids to get gay conversion therapy than dancing at a club.

As far as coming off the wrong way to Ats peers, well considering I'm already accused of being a pinko commie leftist libtard, Muslim defending gay advocate gun grabber I'm not sure I care.

And how is what his parents are doing to him any different from those parents sending their children to camps?
Is it ok because its "progressive"? How do you know his parents arent trying to just profit off of him?

I would also add that it was a strip club. They were throwing money at him. There is a law broken there somewhere I would say. And that doesn't worry you?

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: ScepticScot
Really where did I make that claim?

When you said that you had the Right to use the power of The State to indoctrinate my children against my wishes.

I will give you a hint I didn't and your talking bollocks.

I await your apology...

Oh and you are the one that brought up nationality.

???

Really where did I say that. Same hint again

originally posted by: ScepticScot

Just wondering why people get there knickers in a twist about a guy dressed as a women in front of kids.

I'm talking trans which is much deeper than just putting a dress on as a guy, so to go down the path that a guy wants to be a girl to me is a little too deep of a subject for kids. We can say "oh it is normal" but the reality is it is not. We should treat everyone with respect but trans is abnormal bordering on mental illness.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: ScepticScot

Just wondering why people get there knickers in a twist about a guy dressed as a women in front of kids.

I'm talking trans which is much deeper than just putting a dress on as a guy, so to go down the path that a guy wants to be a girl to me is a little too deep of a subject for kids. We can say "oh it is normal" but the reality is it is not. We should treat everyone with respect but trans is abnormal bordering on mental illness.

Well from memory the event in question is transvestites not transsexuals so really was guys wearing dresses.

You are of course entitled to your opinion , but considering transsexualty has no adverse impact on you then your opinion does just sound like good old fashioned bigotry.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

You are of course entitled to your opinion , but considering transsexualty has no adverse impact on you then your opinion does just sound like good old fashioned bigotry.

Nice label, seems so 2019ish. I'm not intolerant to trans, but I do recognize it as abnormal and when I say borderline mental illness I'm speaking in terms of what the APA DSM-5 would talk about Gender Dysphoria, previously known as Gender Identity Disorder.

The borderline part is for that to be considered a mental illness the condition(s) would need to cause ill effect too and trans in general is considered not to cause ill effects on its own, but the jury might still be out on that as we see a lot of ill effects but what is manifested by social norms or the actual condition is hard to determine. Personally I see the mutilation of body parts that causes non-functionality is enough ill effect to consider at that level a mental illness.

Now when someone suggests that we should have a trans do story time with young children not because the person is good at story time, but because they are a trams then to me that seems like a little too deep of a subject for children.

Now if you see that as "good old fashioned bigotry" then so be it.

Few points, despite what you may think, unless you bring your kids up in line with general social norms, they could be taken off you and put into care, you do not have the right to bring your child up how you see fit (of course this means more radical ideals).

LGBTQA is now generally an accepted social norm in the UK which wants to be progressive enough to educate away the dislike of it because there is no problem with it (ie. reality is now only a few old people and extremists are racist because of education).

Therefore, if you want to live in the UK where you must accept its social norms then your children need to be educated not to fear or hate or deny that LGB is a naturally occurring human state.

If you don’t want this and want to bring your kids up denying it and hating them because of your indoctrination circle back to point one and start again.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: ScepticScot

You are of course entitled to your opinion , but considering transsexualty has no adverse impact on you then your opinion does just sound like good old fashioned bigotry.

Nice label, seems so 2019ish. I'm not intolerant to trans, but I do recognize it as abnormal and when I say borderline mental illness I'm speaking in terms of what the APA DSM-5 would talk about Gender Dysphoria, previously known as Gender Identity Disorder.

The borderline part is for that to be considered a mental illness the condition(s) would need to cause ill effect too and trans in general is considered not to cause ill effects on its own, but the jury might still be out on that as we see a lot of ill effects but what is manifested by social norms or the actual condition is hard to determine. Personally I see the mutilation of body parts that causes non-functionality is enough ill effect to consider at that level a mental illness.

Now when someone suggests that we should have a trans do story time with young children not because the person is good at story time, but because they are a trams then to me that seems like a little too deep of a subject for children.

Now if you see that as "good old fashioned bigotry" then so be it.

I think treating people lifestyle choices as abnormal when they have absolutely no impact on you is a bit bigoted.

As per my post earlier, kids have had stories told to them by men in dresses for decades. Never really seemed to be an issue.