Justice Department sides with court ruling Obamacare invalid

a reply to: LSU2018

Don't most middle class workers have employer based medical coverage? Coverage whose standards were lifted by the ACA, by the way.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: DBCowboy

Personal responsibility should be paramount.

No average, middle class, tax paying American family can afford or financially survive a catastrophic health crisis of a primary wage earner without government assistance in America.

We don't get government assistance. We make too much.

If you like your deductibles you can invalidate your deductibles 😎

a reply to: Sookiechacha

I got nothing , in my opinion you are to stupid or brainwashed to talk to . Try and think thing out a little better before you type. The end product on Healthcare has yet to be determined . A majority of people like that part and most likely be part of the final bill .

All this US healthcare and visiting the Dr is the most deadly thing to do. Not airplanes not even cars a trip to your DR is the most dangerous thing to do in this country.

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: DBCowboy

Personal responsibility should be paramount.

No average, middle class, tax paying American family can afford or financially survive a catastrophic health crisis of a primary wage earner without government assistance in America.

We don't get government assistance. We make too much.

Make up your mind, do you want to "freeload" off tax payers or do you want "accountability"? Workers who receive health care compensation packages don't need Medicaid. And, Medicaid doesn't cover much of what employer packages include. You get what you pay for, right?

Health care prices were uncontrollably rising before the ACA. We can argue whether or not the country is better off with or without the ACA, but your can't argue that health care issues weren't dire before the ACA, and protecting patients with pre-existing conditions was a "Big F#ing Deal" and it still is!

a reply to: TrueAmerican

Has anyone thought through what this would mean to the economy, to people's lives? Without insurance, my kid will die, but not until we've gone bankrupt trying to save his life. Does anyone care?? Is anyone Pro-Life enough to want my kid to live?? It's not his fault we chose life and he has a major heart defect. Should he die? If so, why? I've given up on people caring. I know that with the exception of my immediate family and friends, we are alone in the world and those currently in power don't give a crap about people's suffering. At. All.

As to the decision...Wow. It's like ripping the plumbing out of a house without anything to replace it and calling it "all good" -- that is until someone has to use the toilet, take a shower, or get a drink of water. Yeah, and maybe the original plumbing wasn't perfect, granted, maybe it needed fixing, but when you have nothing??? That'll be fun.



BUT good news for the Left: they kicked butt on Healthcare in 2018, and will do so again in 2020.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

The aca saved my life.

I got to keep my family doctor.

It is much cheaper and better than what my job offers.

You guys should really try it for yourselves.

a reply to: AboveBoard

BUT good news for the Left: they kicked butt on Healthcare in 2018, and will do so again in 2020.

If trump lets the aca die and doesn't replace it with something before 2020 he is a fool.

This would give the dems the only talking point they need.

But he said he would replace it with something better. Maybe he will.

Personally I don't think the government will git rid of the aca in the first place.

1.) Insurance is a middle person that really provides no service but expects to be paid.
Cut this group out. Make the medical profession fight for you dollar like a care dealership.

2.) Healthcare being run to make huge profits at the expense of the sick is immoral.
They do have to make money. They have payrolls and maintenance to do like anyone else, however, the expense is too high for the service provided.

My favorite part of this is that you need insurance to cover the high price of healthcare and even on your statement you see the "negotiated" price between the health professional and the insurance company (fair and customary).....and then you STILL get to pay out of pocket after that slight of hand job.

So many things have gone wrong over the years to get us where we are now.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Middleoftheroad

Tell it to the hundreds of thousands of people who claim that the ACA saved their lives.

That statement is why the word "hyperbole" was invented.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: LSU2018

Your personal antidotes mean nothing to me.

We're here talking about Trump's efforts to unilaterally remove protection for people who have pre-existing conditions, many of whom will die without medical care, after he campaigned on the promise to protect those very individuals.

The word you're looking for is anecdote, not antidote.

When Trump lives up to his promises, you go crazy. When Trump hasn't lived up to one of his promises yet, you go crazy. That's not healthy for you.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: LSU2018

Don't most middle class workers have employer based medical coverage? Coverage whose standards were lifted by the ACA, by the way.

I don't know, since my anecdotal experience doesn't count, I can only say that I couldn't afford it and I don't know many who could.

a reply to: rickymouse

We need to just clean up the price gouging and unnecessary tests and procedures in our healthcare system and then get socialized medicine for necessary things.

I actually agree with this. Of course, it will mean some sacrifices. Keeping old people alive will no longer be a necessity, but death is a part of life anyway. None the less, the vast majority of people in the US will no longer be able to afford private health insurance even if its partially paid for by their employer. Government run socialized medicine would take a big load off employers and that would be great for small to medium size businesses.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: DBCowboy

Personal responsibility should be paramount.

No average, middle class, tax paying American family can afford or financially survive a catastrophic health crisis of a primary wage earner without government assistance in America.

We don't get government assistance. We make too much.

Make up your mind, do you want to "freeload" off tax payers or do you want "accountability"? Workers who receive health care compensation packages don't need Medicaid. And, Medicaid doesn't cover much of what employer packages include. You get what you pay for, right?

Health care prices were uncontrollably rising before the ACA. We can argue whether or not the country is better off with or without the ACA, but your can't argue that health care issues weren't dire before the ACA, and protecting patients with pre-existing conditions was a "Big F#ing Deal" and it still is!

Make up my mind about what? The part where most Middle Class workers can't afford it, or the part where we make too much to get help? The two go hand in hand.

originally posted by: AboveBoard
a reply to: TrueAmerican

Has anyone thought through what this would mean to the economy, to people's lives? Without insurance, my kid will die, but not until we've gone bankrupt trying to save his life. Does anyone care?? Is anyone Pro-Life enough to want my kid to live?? It's not his fault we chose life and he has a major heart defect. Should he die? If so, why? I've given up on people caring. I know that with the exception of my immediate family and friends, we are alone in the world and those currently in power don't give a crap about people's suffering. At. All.

As to the decision...Wow. It's like ripping the plumbing out of a house without anything to replace it and calling it "all good" -- that is until someone has to use the toilet, take a shower, or get a drink of water. Yeah, and maybe the original plumbing wasn't perfect, granted, maybe it needed fixing, but when you have nothing??? That'll be fun.



BUT good news for the Left: they kicked butt on Healthcare in 2018, and will do so again in 2020.

Of course your kids shouldn't die. Your job, as a parent, is to do whatever it takes to make sure that doesn't happen. There are 330,000,000 other people in this country that have their own personal issues to take care of and can't logically worry about others out there.

The President just said he's going to work with Democrats to come up with an ObamaCare replacement, so the Supreme Court will have no problem with striking down the current law. (Or something to that effect)

originally posted by: wdkirk
1.) Insurance is a middle person that really provides no service but expects to be paid.
Cut this group out. Make the medical profession fight for you dollar like a care dealership.

2.) Healthcare being run to make huge profits at the expense of the sick is immoral.
They do have to make money. They have payrolls and maintenance to do like anyone else, however, the expense is too high for the service provided.

My favorite part of this is that you need insurance to cover the high price of healthcare and even on your statement you see the "negotiated" price between the health professional and the insurance company (fair and customary).....and then you STILL get to pay out of pocket after that slight of hand job.

So many things have gone wrong over the years to get us where we are now.

I love the idea but the democrats would never let that happen. They wouldn't be able to subsidize the majority of their base if we all only took care of ourselves.

a reply to: schuyler

You have a problem with that number? How many people in your family have pre-existing conditions?

a reply to: LSU2018

The part where most Middle Class workers can't afford it, or the part where we make too much to get help?

So, you admit that some people need help from the government to cover their medical crisis. Good start.