High School boy forfeits wrestling match because of his Christian beliefs

originally posted by: moyeti
a reply to: Wayfarer

BS. The benefit of the doubt never crossed your mind. Calling someone names, claiming their upbringing is wrong isn't altruistic. Perhaps in your perverted world where it is OK for men to beat on women. Not in mine. We hold the line, we do not let society get picked apart because someone wants to act out on their fantasy aggression vicariously thru a young man wrestler. Then if he refuses punish him for not towing the new progressive thought line. Pathetic. That boy has more morals in his pinky toe than you will ever know.

dude i dont even know what the hell you are on about.

most of us are talking about a scholastic wrestling match.

you are talking about men beating on woman.

you know the difference.
either way your stance makes zero sense at all.

i can understand some of the arguments but dont agree with any of them.

as someone who wrestled.
as a father of a daughter.
as a coach of sorts to my brothers.

want to forfeit?
i think thats lame but whatever.

in the end it is still a school kid.

the best stuff is lame ass responses and arguments like yours.
to be fair they are all pretty lame though.

where were his convictions when he signed up knowing full well it was possible he would have to wrestle a girl?

so the entire time the plan was wrestle until then forfeit?

yeah. thats weak as hell

a reply to: Wayfarer

Only in your dreams. The pathology just keeps on getting deeper. BTW, it was University.

a reply to: TinySickTears

Deducing to goal being forfeit is no reason for him to wrestle. That is asinine, but expected. The boy, or man in this case, has morale codes he upholds to and there isn't any amount of name calling, or other progressive heat that will make him beat on a women for what ever reason they throw at us. Period.

a reply to: JAGStorm

Yea next thing you know, he breaks her collar bone by accident or slams her the wrong way for treating her equal.

I've seen guys toss an hurt other guys, and the same for girl matches. And even though it rare, people have died in matches, so no.


Also, Olympic or Roman Greco wrestling is the same type of wrestling UFC an MMA fighter use too

a reply to: moyeti

Ok, fine, university shower slapfight.


You happy!?

REPLY TO: slightlyskeptical comment on page 6 of this thread


Are you male or female? If you're male, are you over the age of 12 or 13? If so, do you not remember the hyper sexual thoughts concerning girls during puberty? If you are male but you're gay, then you wouldn't remember or understand this phase that teen boys go through (with respect to girls). If you're male and straight, and didn't go through this, then your adolescence was abnormal compared to most boys.

It is not over the top or lame to suggest that TEEN BOY WRESTLING with a girl would evoke sexual thoughts from him. It's reality.

Have you ever seen a wrestling match?

originally posted by: sligtlyskeptical

originally posted by: KansasGirl

originally posted by: sligtlyskeptical

originally posted by: abe froman
a reply to: JAGStorm

It's a no win situation for the boy.

If he beats her the attitude would be so what? You beat a girl.

If he straight whoops her ass, he's a villain.

If he loses he's a laughing stock.

Whatever reason he gave, he did the right thing.

How many other males did he beat that were basically not a fair match either?

i think he should have whipped that girl so bad that she didn't want to wrestle boys any longer. And if he couldn't whip her that pretty much justifies her competing in the tourney.

And the against christian values excuse is a complete cop out. I don't think Christianity takes any stance on girls competing against boys.

This kid has nothing to be proud of.

Some of you people are dense; are you being intentionally blockheaded?

The issue in this instance for a Christian isn't boys and girls competing in sports. It's boys and girls competing in THIS sport, because their bodies will be in intimate positions and put intimate body parts and areas into contact with one another, which many Christians believe would be immodest. As much as he might want to, a Christian boy is not going to roll around with a girl in a sport where their crotches will be all over each other.

This so lame and backwards. To equate wrestling with intimate sexual contact is just so over the top.

How many males in this thread have been to or wanted to see a wrestling match between two women? How many porn films have been made of two women mud wrestling? Ever been to a bar where they have a slippery area where girls xN wrestle each other? Why? Why do men like to see women wrestling? It's stupid to equate it with anything sexual, as you say. So all those men, they really just want to see which girl is the strongest?

originally posted by: JAGStorm

originally posted by: KansasGirl

originally posted by: sligtlyskeptical

originally posted by: abe froman
a reply to: JAGStorm

It's a no win situation for the boy.

If he beats her the attitude would be so what? You beat a girl.

If he straight whoops her ass, he's a villain.

If he loses he's a laughing stock.

Whatever reason he gave, he did the right thing.

How many other males did he beat that were basically not a fair match either?

i think he should have whipped that girl so bad that she didn't want to wrestle boys any longer. And if he couldn't whip her that pretty much justifies her competing in the tourney.

And the against christian values excuse is a complete cop out. I don't think Christianity takes any stance on girls competing against boys.

This kid has nothing to be proud of.

Some of you people are dense; are you being intentionally blockheaded?

The issue in this instance for a Christian isn't boys and girls competing in sports. It's boys and girls competing in THIS sport, because their bodies will be in intimate positions and put intimate body parts and areas into contact with one another, which many Christians believe would be immodest. As much as he might want to, a Christian boy is not going to roll around with a girl in a sport where their crotches will be all over each other.

So it's ok for two Christian boys to put intimate body parts together?

Yep. It's occuring during a sport.

I think you are arguing this just because you feel like arguing. I've seen plenty of your posts and you are definitely not an idiot.

There is a difference between two boys wrestling for sport. They aren't interested in boinking each other (if they are straight). But a teenage boy outside of the ring is definitely interested in boinking her, so throwing them together and having them roll around with all kinds of parts touching parts is NOT going to go unnoticed by the boy's physiology. Some of it can't even be controlled at their age; he may get an erection from wrestling her, even if he's focused on the sport only.

Why are some of you fighting so hard to deny good old Mother Nature in this thread?

a reply to: KansasGirl

Dang, KG...you have a way with words. Some of the situations you mention would certainly have made that stupid spandex uniform very tight and uncomfortable. I am not sure that most males would be able to even enjoy the situation unless there was some way to 'hide' the biological results. Unless you just didn't have any modesty at all, then the school would be ashamed for you.

You have any more intense M/F wrestling situations you could word out in great detail? (just ignore me)

originally posted by: SonsOfTheMeek

originally posted by: KnoxMSP

originally posted by: SonsOfTheMeek All you snowflakes out there need to stop feeling sorry for him.

Weak sauce. I was raised to never hurt a female, and you would never call me a snowflake to my face. Some people have values you obviously don't understand.

I boxed GG all through HS and would have never boxed a girl if it came up.

You probably couldn't make it to the next level because you lack that killer instinct. All great fighters have an animalistic killer instinct that kicks in. When I saw an opponent in front of me, I didn't see man or woman or anything else. All I saw was prey to be dominated, victimized, conquered, so that, in the end, I could hold my arms up in the air and prove to all that witnessed that I was the best. If you have anything else in your mind such as being too rough or too bullying, or concern that your opponent is not good enough, strong enough, or tough enough to handle you, or other moral lessons like that that this bleeding heart world had instilled into you, then you have handicapped yourself. But I suppose you're just content with your GG and moved on with your life. Not me. I have more respect for the girls that want to challenge themselves beyond their limits than for people like you or this frightened boy who hold yourselves back based on what other people think of you.

This reads like a self-description from a serial killer. Or a clinical narcissist. Or both.

"All I saw was prey to be dominated, victimized, conquered, so that, in the end, I could hold my arms up in the air and prove to all that witnessed that I was the best."

You're PROUD of this?

originally posted by: Wayfarer

originally posted by: moyeti
a reply to: Wayfarer

Whatever you need to tell yourself. If you lay are aggressive against a women you are not a man.

Actually I was telling you.

Also, you aren't the arbiter of what does or does not make a man.

You are not the arbiter of what a boy whom you do not know is scared of.

originally posted by: ClovenSky
a reply to: KansasGirl

Dang, KG...you have a way with words. Some of the situations you mention would certainly have made that stupid spandex uniform very tight and uncomfortable. I am not sure that most males would be able to even enjoy the situation unless there was some way to 'hide' the biological results. Unless you just didn't have any modesty at all, then the school would be ashamed for you.

You have any more intense M/F wrestling situations you could word out in great detail? (just ignore me)

Haha! See? Thank you for proving my point. 😊.

originally posted by: KansasGirl

originally posted by: Wayfarer

originally posted by: moyeti
a reply to: Wayfarer

Whatever you need to tell yourself. If you lay are aggressive against a women you are not a man.

Actually I was telling you.

Also, you aren't the arbiter of what does or does not make a man.

You are not the arbiter of what a boy whom you do not know is scared of.

It was never more than my opinion, though I appreciate the implication of how you value said opinions.

originally posted by: KnoxMSP

originally posted by: Barcs

originally posted by: KnoxMSP
Apples to oranges, unless you are insinuating AA only have 66% brain capacity compared to other races. A man for the same weight as a woman is 33% stronger on average. So you are telling me that facing another human in combat, that based on statistics and science, is most likely only 66% of my strength, is an even playing field? Its not a notion if it backed in science and statistical data.

It's not apples to oranges and no, I'm not saying AA are less intelligent. I'm talking about STEREOTYPES. IE a woman can't beat a man in wrestling because she is not strong enough or a black dude can't beat a white dude in chess because he's not smart enough. Both statements are dead wrong. If a woman wants to wrestle and have higher levels of competition, let her wrestle. I don't see the issue. Averages don't matter here. This lady (and plenty of others) BEAT boys in wrestling PLUS I already mentioned that wrestling isn't just about physical strength, it's about leverage and skill. People see "wrestling" and think WWE.

I wrestled in HS. Didnt like cutting weight when I was already low bodyfat, and wanted to surf, skate, and box more so pursued those things. So, no, I do not think WWE when I think of wrestling. I think of the tosses, and applying torque or a choke to a female and it does not sit right with me, sorry not sorry.

Choke holds are not legal in wrestling and tosses are not allowed either unless you are going to the ground with them under your control. You can't just slam or toss people.

originally posted by: moyeti
a reply to: Barcs

I've wrestled and never would beat on a women like that. Sounds like you have quite a bit experience. Perhaps in both. Maybe that is why you think it is OK.

Repeating lies doesn't make it true. Wrestling is not beating on somebody. You keep equivocating it to domestic violence. That's LOLworthy, sorry.

originally posted by: Specimen
a reply to: JAGStorm

Yea next thing you know, he breaks her collar bone by accident or slams her the wrong way for treating her equal.

I've seen guys toss an hurt other guys, and the same for girl matches. And even though it rare, people have died in matches, so no.
Also, Olympic or Roman Greco wrestling is the same type of wrestling UFC an MMA fighter use too

So basically you just confirmed that the female takes the same exact risks as a male when wrestling. Comparing it to UFC / MMA is laughable sorry.

originally posted by: KansasGirl
REPLY TO: slightlyskeptical comment on page 6 of this thread


Are you male or female? If you're male, are you over the age of 12 or 13? If so, do you not remember the hyper sexual thoughts concerning girls during puberty? If you are male but you're gay, then you wouldn't remember or understand this phase that teen boys go through (with respect to girls). If you're male and straight, and didn't go through this, then your adolescence was abnormal compared to most boys.

It is not over the top or lame to suggest that TEEN BOY WRESTLING with a girl would evoke sexual thoughts from him. It's reality.

Have you ever seen a wrestling match?

So by that logic gay males should not be able to wrestle either....

a reply to: Barcs

Denying it doesn't cut it either. Beating on a women is wrong. No matter how couched.

originally posted by: moyeti
a reply to: Barcs

Denying it doesn't cut it either. Beating on a women is wrong. No matter how couched.

Wrestling isn't beating on people. Striking your opponent is illegal. Stop making ridiculous invalid comparisons.

originally posted by: Barcs

originally posted by: moyeti
a reply to: Barcs

Denying it doesn't cut it either. Beating on a women is wrong. No matter how couched.

Wrestling isn't beating on people. Striking your opponent is illegal. Stop making ridiculous invalid comparisons.

the reality is they are afraid of running into this girl. not the little waif of a delicate flower that will get destroyed by the big tough men



can't have little johnny getting 'beat on' by her now

lets blame it on christian values, tits, and mu daddy taught me