America, the BBC is constantly muck-spreading about you

originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: Malak777

You are starting to try and twist my thread into your suspicion that I am like them and trying to shut down my opponent

What, just by asking you a simple straightforward question? Bit touchy, aren't we?

So, the BBC and the Guardian are politically correct? Who would have thought it?

No, just defending my thread. The thread is about what I wrote in the title. We all know what they are like, but the BBC is supposed to be something that represents the people. If it so right why does literally every comment they have on YouTube from the British public tell them they have had enough? Is that not alienating completely your customer base?

I told the BBC this would happen years ago. I wrote to them and they debated my concern, seriously. I used to listen to Radio 4 all the time and read the Guardian with glee. Something terrible has happened as it isn't me. My attitudes have not changed, byut they have become extreme. This is having profound effects on British society and they use propaganda about America as a weapon of propaganda. It has become quite ridiculous. I was right about how they were going to end up alienating evrybody. I trold the Guardian also. I did try to care. I no longer care if these two perish. They have become something I can no longer respect. They have alienated their customer. They are alienating many of their customers as I am not unusual.

I don't undderstand when people try to sabotage arguments just to score points. It must be about the issue at hand or it is just another below the belt tactic.

Great though that we have people like Tommy Robinson calling them out isn't it?



I could go on forever here but I feel you need a break....

That article |I linked to at the beginning of the thread is not news. It has nothing to do with news. It is opinion. It is manufactured opinion to suit a themed state/business narrative of political correctness. Everyone just about can see through this now. The authorities are starting to look ridiculous carrying on like this. People are no longer suckers for a headline and knee jerk reactors at the push of a button.

It is good to see. It is what I always wanted to happen because I believed it would enhance our lives. The little seed that got planted is growing and blossoming.

a reply to: and14263

I can't deal with Tommy because he is a bit of a thug and has his own agenda that I really do not like. If Muslims are here as British Citizens then I will respect them as such. I have no prejudice against Islam. I have my own concerns about Mohammad's ideology, but I could never aggressively pursue the kind of strategy that Tommy is about. He is bordering on taking back by force is he not? Whoever is here deserves political representation. That is fair and healthy politics. If you do not give representation then you will get alienation, marginalization and kick back even as terrorism. We alienate at our peril as the BBC is discovering.

I had a very fascinating dream last night about Islam. It has helped me a lot and I count Muslims as my fellow citizens, but we all must have our interests and keep them in the political arena and not on a battlefield.

I see why some are turning to guys like him. Even the Devil has a point I might add. Tommy is a very destructive political element for Britain at this vulnerable Brexit time and that is my informed political attitude relating to what he stands for.

a reply to: Malak777

Whipping up the mob again I presume, do you not think think that we have enough trouble here at ATS from the er.....Russian fake news brigades.

a reply to: Malak777

I used to listen to Radio 4 all the time and read the Guardian with glee

This explains a lot.

a reply to: Malak777

I can't deal with Tommy because he is a bit of a thug and has his own agenda that I really do not like

His agenda is free speech, I am not sure if you are mislead by the BBC telling you (without evidence) what his agenda is? But they are wrong and do not use evidence. Only clever sentences.

He is bordering on taking back by force is he not?

He is not taking anything back by force. He has exposed rapists and the BBC. He is against sharia law being introduced into communities within a country where the population allows homosexuality and equal rights for women.
Sharia law recognised in UK court case

Whoever is here deserves political representation. That is fair and healthy politics. If you do not give representation thenb you will get alienation. marginalization and kick back even as terrorism. We alienate at our peril as the BBC is discovering.

I draw your attention to this here - it comes across as if you are happy TR has been censored and is therefore not allowed to politically represent a massive portion of the UK population. You've made a hypocritical statement.

I had a very fascinating dream last night about Islam. It has helkped me a lot and I count Muslims as my fellow citizens, but we all must have our interests and keep them in the political arena and not a battlefield.

Dreams are not factual.

So you want Muslims 'in' and TR 'out'? That again, is hypocritical.

He is a very destructive political element for Britain at this time and that is my informed political attitude relating to what he stands for

You are not very informed on the views of Islam though are you?

[ext]Overwhelming percentages of Muslims in many countries want Islamic law (sharia) to be the official law of the land, according to a worldwide survey by the Pew Research Center. But many supporters of sharia say it should apply only to their country’s Muslim population.[/ext]
Source

originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: Malak777

Educated people do not get any respect in the US. Everyone here is an expert in their own mind.

Who are these "educated people" who you demand get more respect?

a reply to: and14263

His agenda is that of an unreformed right wing fascist thug and is to foment hatred. Free speech is his excuse to promote all this and to enable him to play the victim.

I agree that it is wrong to censor him, the more he opens his yappy mouth the more he shows his true colours.

originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: and14263

His agenda is that of an unreformed right wing fascist thug and is to foment hatred. Free speech is his excuse to promote all this and to enable him to play the victim.

I agree that it is wrong to censor him, the more he opens his yappy mouth the more he shows his true colours.

E V I D E N C E ?

Or do you just have "Founder of the EDL?" - because as we have previously discussed, he has renounced that group and learned from his mistakes. Maybe ou can learn from your mistakes and not reply to me unless you have EVIDENCE

a reply to: and14263

because as we have previously discussed, he has renounced that group and learned from his mistakes.

Because he says so? You just take the word of a convicted criminal, fraudster and ex leader of the EDL at face value?
Any actual evidence of that, please?

Enough with your double standards.

originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: and14263

because as we have previously discussed, he has renounced that group and learned from his mistakes.

Because he says so? You just take the word of a convicted criminal, fraudster and ex leader of the EDL at face value?
Any actual evidence of that, please?

Enough with your double standards.

No. I do my research. I watch, read, learn and observe.

With regards to double standards....

When I’m home from work I’ll post up a load of evidence backing up my claims. In the meantime have a look at his channel.

Problem is with you, you do not understand what facts and evidence are. You only have an ability to parrot MSM without doing any research yourself. You’re famous for it on these forums.

a reply to: and14263

Problem is with you, you do not understand what facts and evidence are. You only have an ability to parrot MSM without doing any research yourself. You’re famous for it on these forums.

That's nice. Got any evidence to back up that nasty little gratuitous and personal attack?

And, being a lawyer, I do understand what facts and evidence are, thank you very much.

You demand evidence with tedious regularity from others but are unable or unwilling to come up with any yourself.

Look forward to seeing your evidence that TR is a reformed character. That does not mean him saying so, by the way, that would have no probative value at all. As we lawyers say.

a reply to: oldcarpy
You’re a lawyer?

Oh FFS pull the other one.

The BBC is a state broadcaster (like Pravda) funded by extortion to shape public opinion in line with the prevailing establishment view.

It's neither left nor right, it's Establishment. That's why it exists.

Would you listen and believe any other state broadcaster? If the answer is no then why pay any attention to the BBC.

The establishment currently loves the EU and hates Trump and trump supporters, hates Brexit and brexit supporters. The BBC follows.

The US - UK 'special relationship' is very important in times like this so I appreciate this thread. On the surface it would appear most Brits think we're stupid, and mock us for electing Trump, and likewise believe all the Trump bashing media. I recall the baby Trump blimp that flew over London when he visited. But I also know that the media does not represent the people. It's easy to see that, in much like the US, there is a sizable working class portion who are sick and tired of a one-sided media constantly beating them over the head with the latest PC B.S. by telling them what to believe, how "easy" they have it because of the color of their skin, how insensitive they are to others, and how horrible they are for driving their gas cars. I know this because we see same the thing here.

originally posted by: and14263
Great though that we have people like Tommy Robinson calling them out isn't it?

I could go on forever here but I feel you need a break....

...and surprise surprise the Attorney General, who has had the contempt of court charge hanging over Robinson's head for months, has now determined to press on with the charges... right after Robinson shamed the BBC for their propaganda.

As for the BBC it's always been corrupt.

a reply to: Malak777

Interesting point of view.

I take it you're a Brit? Living in the UK?

If so........news you can use!
I can't find the Nielsen ratings for BBC News but.............I'd guess maybe 1 Million people out of 238 Million people in the US tune into BBC news. Its statistically insignificant.

The way to think about news in the US is to think about it sort of like "Class" terms.

Highly educated Leftist US Americans get most all their news from MSNBC/CNN/NY Times.

Highly intelligent and educated non-partisan US Americans get their news from CNBC, the Business Channel.

Moderately intelligent and not-so educated US Americans mostly get their news from either CNN (Democrats) or Fox (Republicans).

The other half of the US gets their news from Facebook or the radio or the local TV news when they think to turn it on to get the weather.

Just a heads up.

a reply to: oldcarpy

Yes, all our conversations in previous threads. You want me to post them up too?

So if I post one of the numerous videos of TR explaining how he regrets the EDL involvement you will still not accept it? You know why? Because you NEED the MSM to tell you, you don’t believe anything unless it is from the msm bs machine. You see how twisted that is? You see how you’re backing up my entire point... again, just like in the other threads?

So if you won’t accept the word from the horse’s mouth what will you accept? A documentary from the bbc stating TR is ok now and he is reformed?

Here’s your thug:





Here’s some more truth your MSM won’t feed you:


Direct link


But of course, you won’t analyse his words because ‘they have no probative value’. Only your msm peers provide your ‘probative value’.... you know why that is? Because you cannot think for yourself.

Get a grip on what is really going on here and start using your own brain.


You’re an embarrassment to critical thought, free speech and research. I can’t believe I’m wasting more time replying to your posts. Your mind is so closed off to anything that isn’t the official narrativise it’s painful.

Good luck for the future, you’ll need it. I quote your idea of a reliable source:

They do give sources - eg. Facebook and the article does seem fair and balanced.

Link to this and more of your nonsense
Facebook. I rest my case.


Bloody lawyer indeed. God help the legal system.

edit on 7-3-2019 by and14263 because: (no reason given)

Every day I wake up and the first thing I do is to check and see what the BBC is saying about me.

It makes me sad.

I once sent a nice card and a fruit basket to BBC when BBC seemed down because BBC recently broke up with some babe who was too snooty for BBC.

Now BBC is talking smack or "taking the urine" as the English say.