Trump to sign EO for free speech on colleges / universities that receive federal funding .

a reply to: Breakthestreak

All I've asked of you is to provide an example, something substantive, of which other members have managed. You've provided nothing but hyperbole (I hope) and bluster. I'm beginning to doubt that our conversation will result in anything but bristling antagonism.

originally posted by: theAWfuLWaFFLe
a reply to: Gothmog

Can you eulicidate me further on what role you believe he's playing or has played in a "take over" of higher education?

You can't do your own research? I get it. You need someone else to tell you. Ironically that's the nuts and bolts of subversion in education.

Bill Ayers. Far left terrorist who sought to steer education as left as possible. Look no further than Wikipedia:

"Calling Bill Ayers a school reformer is a bit like calling Joseph Stalin an agricultural reformer."

en.m.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: AgarthaSeed


Wasn't there a 60's rock group called The WeatherUnderground that Bill Ayers played the drums? I heard he was the BOMB!

a reply to: AgarthaSeed

I'm familiar with his history and I enjoy doing my own research, my point in asking for clarity is to better understand the other person's position. Maybe they'll quote an erroneous example or distort a commonly understood piece of history. Your willingness to condescend and deride speaks volumes my friend.

So, this is going to include free-speech such as... LGBT+ curriculum? pro-abortionism? is this going to protect these "Marxist teachers" and "cultural-Marxists" studies? would this protect schools teaching safe-sex education? would this protect classes in that include pro-transgender gender studies? anti-religion courses?

or is this just a way to pander to the base who whine about "muh free-speech"


anyone who believes that the "constitution" or the "president" grants you the right or privilege of "free speech" is a slave to their own mind

Sounds cool, but I bet it causes way more drama llama than before.

Civil disorder 101, instead of learning. Creating more sj warriors.

originally posted by: theAWfuLWaFFLe
a reply to: Gothmog

Can you eulicidate me further on what role you believe he's playing or has played in a "take over" of higher education?

No , I will not.
The best lessons learned are self-taught

a reply to: theAWfuLWaFFLe

originally posted by: theAWfuLWaFFLe
a reply to: Fallingdown

Thanks for finding an example. Free speech gets kind of hazy when it gets hateful, that's why we have a judicial system there to help keep it in line more or less. I can't say I'm always going to agree but I'm not a judge nor will I ever be appointed as one, i leave it the professionals.

I will say that when a billboard uses racist stereotypes or implies a president should be murdered it becomes easier to say it's no longer a free speech issue. I'm not very familiar with the upload system yet but I have half a dozen examples of billboards that exemplified those 2 things about Obama to the letter. Let's be honest, those 2 examples are worse right?

The kid getting suspended and winning a court case are bang on, that's an egregious example of a violation of his 1st amendment rights. And clearly the court agreed so the issue settled itself exactly how the system was setup to handle such an issue.

As for the liberal professors, well, the divide between ideologies has been growing more stark every generation. The moment the right tied themselves to the evangelical movement in the late 70s the divide became irreversible. In my opinion the religious element that has become synonymous with any right issue has hampered any objective dissection of real issues, particularly when it comes to science.

So now climate science is considered "liberal", evolution is "liberal", being pro civil rights is "liberal", putting historical atrocities (slavery, Native American Genocide, Confederate monuments) in context is "liberal". These aren't liberal ideas or brainwashing, they're facts and they care little for your or my feelings. In essence my issue is what is being classified as liberal is just reality.

In closing, yes there are more "liberal" professors because the institution of higher education isn't meant to be a place where your subjective opinions are reinforced, it's meant to be a place of learning facts and increasing one's knowledge.

originally posted by: theAWfuLWaFFLe
a reply to: Breakthestreak

I know that's what you want to believe deep down in your heart and if that makes you feel better then by all means. Free speech is already in effect in tandem with public universities and their respective charters of conduct.

then this shouldn't bother you at all. It's all just as good as it was before. or is there an issue with this?

a reply to: XAnarchistX

Good point does a Christian school have to let gay folk give talks?.

“Federal funds should not be funding censorship.”

Facebook and Twitter,Google,and Youtube are quaking in their nazi boots.

Tax credits fall under federal funds.

originally posted by: Fallingdown
a reply to: AgarthaSeed

I like just about everything about it too. But I think the part I like best is it will probably be in effect forever. There’s not much of a chance for the Democrats to unring that bell .

With the stroke of a pen he irreparably harms their decades of planning the takeover of the educational system.

Yeah I’m good with that .

Trump is doing some serious harm to globalism. I believe he is aware of the plan,
alarmed by it, and knowing that as soon as he is done, or as soon as they finish him off,
that the usual suspects will be parading their foul agenda of trans everythingism global
climatechange religion of envy socialist free stuff like there’s no tomorrow, he is blocking
their progress as far to the horizon as he possibly can.

One thing I am paying attention to is his appearance, his physical appearance, as shallow
as that may seem. I bet the presidency doesn’t turn him into a hag as it seems to do to
presidents in general. It’s nice to have a clear conscience about one’s work, to grow strong
in one’s passion.

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I dont think institutions must provide a forum is part of the first amendment, even for the government, but college and universities must?

originally posted by: XAnarchistX
So, this is going to include free-speech such as... LGBT+ curriculum? pro-abortionism? is this going to protect these "Marxist teachers" and "cultural-Marxists" studies? would this protect schools teaching safe-sex education? would this protect classes in that include pro-transgender gender studies? anti-religion courses?

Those are already on campuses, so...

or is this just a way to pander to the base who whine about "muh free-speech"


anyone who believes that the "constitution" or the "president" grants you the right or privilege of "free speech" is a slave to their own mind

No they don't. The COTUS defends free speech and the POTUS swears to uphold the COTUS.

originally posted by: MyToxicTash
a reply to: XAnarchistX

Good point does a Christian school have to let gay folk give talks?.

If they are taking in federal funds, yes.

If they are privately funded, they don't have to.

originally posted by: Pyle
I dont think institutions must provide a forum is part of the first amendment, even for the government, but college and universities must?

Private institutions do not have to. But if they are taking federal money they have to accept any strings attached to that money.

a reply to: Teikiatsu

Ah you do you many groups will target certain schools now from all sides of the spectrum. I hope everyone just let's folk speak on all sides.

Interesting... maybe a good thing... but we won't know until an actual executive order is issued and we know all the whys and wherefores.

The devil is always in the details.

originally posted by: theAWfuLWaFFLe
a reply to: Fallingdown

Indulge me with just one. That's it, one. For the record there should be free speech on campuses, no brainer, funny thing is it's already present. This whole EO exercise is just a way to pander to his base plain and simple. Enjoy the koolaid.

That you think there isn't an issue is troubling, considering how many attempts there have been to block speakers in the last few years.

It's an issue when one side wants to silence their opposite. Especially in a university setting.