Communist Party USA

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

So you're not for socialized medicine?

Interesting.

originally posted by: XAnarchistX
a reply to: DBCowboy

Well, No, communists want a no state, no government, no class communal economic system, with "direct democracy" or really a consensus democracy

how do you come up with a one world government authoritarian? you clearly know nothing about "communist theory"

I know your "communist theory" might sound nice in a classroom or a Starbucks, but would not work in the real world.

a reply to: dfnj2015

So which would you take more pride in a house you built with your own two hands, a house that you paid a group of people to come build or a house that was built and handed to you? And by pride, which one would you say is your house?

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: dfnj2015
Once corruption becomes so pervasive that the government has no interest in serving the people, left wing or right wing, the government is evil.

Yet here you and others are. . . . promoting giving more if not all power control and authority over to the government.

The same government you call evil.

You are absolutely wrong. The difference between you and me is I don't care what tactic is used to address the injustice. I don't care if we use left wing or right wing tactics to address the injustices of obscene levels of wealth inequality in this country. Where as you believe the same old Reaganomics which haven't worked in 50 years will at some point trickle down to the worker making the median wage.

Some people are so duped by the communist game plan that they just can't get it through their head that "communist theory" IS part of the GAME PLAN. Of course it needs to sounds sensible to some.

You can't take power by putting forth a theory that says, 'If all goes well, we rule the willing masses'. Doh! Every time you tout or point to 'communist theory', you are showing that you don't get it and step one has worked on you.

a reply to: dfnj2015

The irony is that your "revolution" won't get rid of the "wealth inequality".

There will still be a disparity, only the names will be different.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: dfnj2015

The irony is that your "revolution" won't get rid of the "wealth inequality".

There will still be a disparity, only the names will be different.

You make it sound like there's nothing that can be done. Wealth inequality is a function of public policies.



We can have corporations like Walmart where the government subsidizes healthcare for Walmart's workers. Or we can have public policies ensuring we have companies like Costco which pays livable wages and provides its own healthcare to its employees.

Your solution is to just throw your hands up in the air and say, "oh well, there's nothing you can do about Walmart."

What difference does it make if the Walton family shares a 4 billion dollar profit per year instead of an 8 billion?

But the 4 billion dollar difference would cover Walmart workers making livable wages and healthcare. At which point does Government get involved in addresses the immoral injustices of the neo-Robber-Barons who have taken over our government?

"The Waltons are the richest family in America. Sam Walton founded Walmart in 1962. It is now the world's largest retailer by revenue with annual sales of $500 billion from its nearly 12,000 stores worldwide. Walton's descendants have a combined wealth of $163.2 billion, according to Bloomberg."

This is your world. Please justify why you think this is good for everyone living here.

a reply to: dfnj2015

Name me one time in the entirety of human history where there has not been an inequality to wealth.

originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: dfnj2015

The irony is that your "revolution" won't get rid of the "wealth inequality".

There will still be a disparity, only the names will be different.

You make it sound like there's nothing that can be done. Wealth inequality is a function of public policies.

Before people start begging for the government to intervene, they need to take steps for themselves.

IF you have:

cable tv
a smart phone
more than a 1500 sf home rented or bought
eat out ever
go to the movies
have a new or newer car with payments
big screen TV
dog or pets
buy only new clothes
furniture that you bought on payments
tattoos, hair or dress that affect your employment trajectory
etc.

And you are struggling to pay for food, health care, bills, etc.

Then:

You haven't even done the basic things the YOU have direct control over to help fix your financial situation. Every one of those is a choice. Choices have consequences and benefits.

Once people with financial problems have taken ALL of those steps, then and only then can we start talking about things the government can do to bridge the gap.

You don't start handing money to your 20 year old who can't pay his bills if he prioritizes cable and beer first, just like you don't start trying to create some egalitarian society when the people haven't taken the basic steps to fix themselves first.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: dfnj2015

Name me one time in the entirety of human history where there has not been an inequality to wealth.

I agree. Utopia is a pipe dream. However, we do not have to have public policies that encourage the creation of Robber Barons and repeat history.

Why pay workers at all. Why not just legalize slavery again. Where do you draw the line. Slavery exists almost the entirety of history. There's nothing that can be done according to your defeatist attitude.

You live in a cold hard world.

a reply to: Halfswede

Contrary to your delusions, the facts simply do not support your point of view:

Purchasing power of the consumer dollar

Taxes are irrelevant. Wages are irrelevant. What is important is the purchasing power of your take home pay. The problems with our country are not rocket science. The lobbyists force politicians to pass legislation creating cartels and monopolies in exchange for power, that is, campaign financing.

We have way too much communism in this country and we have centralized one-party government with too much power. The thing is the price fixing of products, services, and wagers that is going on is NOT in the favor of the workers!! The communism we have with regards to pricing fixing of products, services, and wages is in favor of the billionaires.

We live in a new age of Robber Barons. History will repeat itself.

a reply to: dfnj2015

No. I live in the real world.

I work hard, I'm smart, I actually get paid more than others.

And there are people who work harder than me, are smarter than me, and get paid more than me.

We all have equal opportunity, but it is foolish to engineer equal outcomes.

originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: Halfswede

Contrary to your delusions, the facts simply do not support your point of view:
...

So are you saying people should not take those steps first before government intervention? I am really confused. Yes/No please

edit: or better yet. Please state specifically which choice they could change that you think is "delusion" to think they should make differently.

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

It's a Kakistocracy but apparently that word doesn't rile folks up very much.
They need trigger labels they've been trained to balk at since grade school.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: dfnj2015

No. I live in the real world.

I work hard, I'm smart, I actually get paid more than others.

And there are people who work harder than me, are smarter than me, and get paid more than me.

We all have equal opportunity, but it is foolish to engineer equal outcomes.

It's all about "Manufactured Utopia" !! 😮

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: dfnj2015

No. I live in the real world.

I work hard, I'm smart, I actually get paid more than others.

And there are people who work harder than me, are smarter than me, and get paid more than me.

We all have equal opportunity, but it is foolish to engineer equal outcomes.

I agree. We should not engineer unequal outcomes. Why do you support Walmart being subsidize by tax payers in a clear redistribution of wealth. I don't think we should redistribute wealth to billionaires. Walmart should pay wages like Costco and pay for healthcare rather than have poverty wages.

The billionaires paying the lobbyists to force the politicians to pass laws creating cartels and monopolies in exchange for campaign financing are clearly rigging the system. We need free-markets in this country to ring out the inefficiencies of CEO and shareholder compensation.

I don't understand how you are okay with public policies that clearly hurt workers. I guess you just hate the working people of this country. Communism in favor of the worker is bad for you but maximum exploitation of workers through laissez faire capitalist public policies is okay. Do you think the 13th Amendment should be unconstitutional. What do you think the part "promote the general welfare" means in the preamble. I think many of your views are a radical and extremist. I think any one who is against free-markets and supports what the lobbyists are doing to the worker making the median wage is a radical extremist.

As I said, we have communism in this country but it is not the kind that is in the worker's favor. I think you are the one who is a corporate communist not me. A lot Americans died in WWII fighting against people who thought like you do.

"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power." Benito Mussolini



You remind me of the Charles Tobin character. That's you!

"Charles Tobin : You're one of the ardent believers - a good American. Oh, there are millions like you. People who play along, without asking questions. I hate to use the word stupid, but it seems to be the only one that applies. The great masses, the moron millions. Well, there are a few of us unwilling to troop along... a few of us who are clever enough to see that there's much more to be done than just live small complacent lives, a few of us in america who desire a more profitable type of government. When you think about it, Mr. Kane, the competence of totalitarian nations is much higher than ours. They get things done."

Political ideologies, just like religious ideologies, are simply hijacked by power-hungry, mostly psychopathic individuals who wrap themselves in the mantle of said ideology in order to present some 'brand value' to the masses. They provide only lip-service to the ideology while going about their own personal agenda of accumulating power and wealth. All the various 'communist' countries around the world --- either now or in the past --- were anything but. They all quickly evolved into an elite class and a working class --- distinctions that cannot exist in communism. It's all kabuki theatre whether you're talking Communism or Democracy or anything in between. The Communist countries are not actually practicing real Communism anymore than we are practicing real Democracy.

originally posted by: jtma508
Political ideologies, just like religious ideologies, are simply hijacked by power-hungry, mostly psychopathic individuals who wrap themselves in the mantle of said ideology in order to present some 'brand value' to the masses. They provide only lip-service to the ideology while going about their own personal agenda of accumulating power and wealth.

+1
Nazism, fascism, communism, socialism (Venezuela) all end up becoming variations of dictatorships / totalitarian regimes.

I was on another forum and someone was discussing differences between Nazi Germany under Hitler and USSR under Stalin. I said they were both brutal police states and for the average person there was no real difference.

originally posted by: dfnj2015

We have way too much communism in this country and we have centralized one-party government with too much power. The thing is the price fixing of products, services, and wagers that is going on is NOT in the favor of the workers!! The communism we have with regards to pricing fixing of products, services, and wages is in favor of the billionaires.

It's a bit Brave New World. Freedom at the top of the pyramid, dumbed down false freedom for the next few economic strata and abject drugged up poverty for anyone else.

originally posted by: Asktheanimals
a reply to: TerryMcGuire

It's a Kakistocracy but apparently that word doesn't rile folks up very much.
They need trigger labels they've been trained to balk at since grade school.

We have the same situation in the UK. Donkeys (sorry donkeys, I think you are far more noble a creature than any British politician) lining themselves up to lead lions.

originally posted by: ElGoobero

brutal police states and for the average person there was no real difference.

Does this count as a brutal police state?

killedbypolice.net...

And how many people have, for minor infractions, been imprisoned in privately owned and run US Stalag factories?

Also, how come the American electorate have allowed elections to become push polls?

www.yourdictionary.com...

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

So you're not for socialized medicine?

Interesting.

This is where balance is key, like the system we have in oz, we have socialised medical, but we also have private practice, so if you choose to pay you can and in theory get a better service, although it doesn't always work that way because often the specialist doctors service both the public and private sector.