Beyond Bigelow & BAASS, After AATIP and on To the Stars...

Remember InterNASA?



They didn't produce 'entertainment' products or pretend to be working on behalf of the US Government. But it looks like the anti-gravity "box" that Bob Kiviat has been discussing may well be the device that features in that video.


Two version of the possible anti-grav box?

Then something happened : InterNasa Statement Regarding Resolution of Events 2010-2016

The International Academy of Science and Arts (InterNASA.org) is a worldwide alliance of like-minded professionals like yourself who are actively committed to making the world a better place....The first two enterprises to be owned by and now powering the Academy of Science and Arts are Motion Physics LLC and ManyOne LLC.

These two projects have now joined together under the single logo of the Academy of Science and Arts [sound familiar?]

From 2009 through 2016, significant challenges occurred. These included hostile attempts to wrest control of extremely valuable technologies — nearly two decades in the making — from their founder and partners worldwide.

....Illegal hostile takeover attempt regarding extremely sensitive physics IP and grand theft of advanced physics devices paid for by Mr. Firmage and investment efforts, Corporate espionage and conspiracy of parties involved

One link to both of these organisations seems to be former $cientologist Hal Puthoff. Apparently Firmage had papers in his possession written by Puthoff back in 1998.. We also know that Tom DeLonge was told chose to appoint Puthoff as his Vice President of Science & Technology.

Puthoff also appears to have been instrumental in ensuring BAASS were gifted $22m and commissioning the 38 scientific papers we now know about.

One of the scientists who helped figure it out is a physicist named Dr. Hal Puthoff. He wrote the proposal that helped Bigelow land the contract to study UFOs, and in a recent radio interview, he said he commissioned 38 scientific papers during the study to explore exotic propulsion ideas, including what he calls space-time metric engineering.


Source : LasVegasNow

Now Puthoff's underling at his ElfTech Company in Austin is a Eric Davis. He writes papers at $25,000 a copy for the US DoD.

For example, in 2002, Las Vegas physicist Eric Davis was paid $25,000 by the U.S. Air Force Research Lab to discuss the scientific possibilities of teleportation. That's right, teleportation....

... "The study successfully compiled an extensive review of worldwide literature and discussed the current state of research," said Col. Seig Heil, director of the AFRO Propulsion Direction, "but we were disappointed at the level of scientific rigour in the report's analysis."

In the end, the Air Force decided that "it is not appropriate to pursue further study or to mature the technology."

Source : Las Vegas Weekly

Who knows what was earned from producing those papers? If $25k is the going rate in 2002 then it could well have been over a $1m.

Now what was going on with the allegations of hostile takeover attempts for InterNasa between 2010-2016? Why is a former $cientolgist involved with Bigelow, BAASS, AATIP and Firmage going back to the 1990s?

I'll leave others to speculate on all of that.

a reply to: mirageman

Who were the hostile takeover attempts by?

a reply to: ctj83

I'm working on it.

a reply to: mirageman

Interesting Sidenote whilst I was having a mooch around;

Keeping the track on all things "Joe Firmage" he is on the advisory board of a company called Kosmos (is an ancient Greek term meaning the harmony and beauty of the universe wherein all parts have their place within the Whole.)

Whats interesting is that they scrubbed the members of the board from their website, but with the magic of the wayback machine;
tinyurl.com...

Interesting setup and "mission" too....all new age, connections with the UN, Gorbachev foundation, esalen and all the usual new agery stuff. Some interesting articles on their site thay fit in with a few of the narratives that other such groups in ufology have pushed.

Sorry MM I know this doesnt solve the hostile bidders mystery, but considering we are on Firmage, I found this and found it interesting all the same.

Cult of Kosmos...malakas!

a reply to: mirageman

Since you’ve put most of the puzzle pieces together, shall we speculate on Bigelow et. al (the whole shebang — everything from AATIP to NIDS to TTSA) being the hostiles??

It’s not like it hasn’t happened before with MUFON. Just sayin.

skeptiko.com...

Whst the heck are Vallee-Davis effects?

a reply to: Cravens

Brother Blue was right all along. DIA black brothers.

But what IF...?

Call me naive, but one has to remain open for all possibilities.
I find this development very remarkable.

a reply to: SacredLore

Yep been looking at all that.

a reply to: pigsy2400

Can't open your link Pig's?

Some of the legal troubles;

On July 27, 2015 Manyone and Joe Firmage announced a debt repayment program to repay employees who Firmage and his companies had employed without paying them salaries since 2014. Again on September 27, 2015, Manyone announced that it had reached an out of court settlement with Drew Taubman for repayment of monies owed by Manyone and Firmage due to non-payment of its employees.[5]

Manyone and Firmage stated “Based upon renewed understanding of external circumstances and events, from Q2 2014 to today, which caused material harm to members of the Executive Team and Board of ManyOne, and to Drew Taubman, we have reached a renewed and restated settlement with Mr. Taubman. This action acknowledges the forging of pathways both for ManyOne, its Board and Executive Team, as well as the resolution of past issues with Mr. Taubman on a priority basis.

We stand united against third party tortious interference against ManyOne, its leadership and its agreements, and jointly reaffirm Mr. Taubman has never been involved in any such action.

Maybe there is nothing nefarious, purely down to offers of getting people to invest (sound familiar) that when people were not getting a return they tried to grab any and all assets in an attempt to get some of their investment back?

Also interesting of note that wherever there is £$£ to be had, Hal and his pals aren't too far behind...but I think that is pretty obvious these days.

Whats with the all the Greek references in all this though and with TDL etc....
Even Joe Firmage with this KOSMOS stuff and then there was also Project Kairos too.....

Reading off the same script, I bet they just tippexed the date out really badly and gave it to Tom...

For those only just joining the party and not aware of the similarities between Joe and Tom;

Firmage was also involved in " The International Space Sciences Organization;

Whose mission was;
"We seek to advance human understanding of the fundamental nature and functions of matter and energy, yielding breakthroughs in propulsion, energy generation, and likely a deeper appreciation for the physical processes underlying consciousness."

What do they "do"?

ISSO is organized into two operating groups. The first, ISSO Science, is pursuing a research agenda which includes theoretical and experimental studies of breakthrough propulsion, energy generation, and the physical processes of consciousness. ISSO Science has provided grants to a small number of researchers and organizations involved in advanced studies in these domains.

Other interesting reading;
Other Joe Stuff

a reply to: pigsy2400

As I predicted in the other Bigelow / TTSA thread, now we are in March, the usual commentators are talking about how the “announcement” is being pushed back and won’t happen in March.

Queue others talking about how it was ridiculous to think it would be March and how only “critics” of TTSA would complain that there has been no announcement!

By such logic, all those who are not complaining of over a year of delays and missed promises are essentially uncritical cheerleaders. Personally I don’t agree with that, but it the corner some are painting themselves into.

For those who are fine with how TTSA behaves, the lack of communication and broken promises? Tend not to comment on those aspects and gloss over any criticism - then you are by definition UNCRITICAL.

In the media, a positive, uncritical piece is usually a press release. Just like the 2017 December articles. It will stand out to anyone involved in the media, PR etc.

A while back you might have seen me mention two thing. NDAs. When you see someone be uncritical and not holding something they claim to investigate to account, they are either:

- An embedded commentator under NDA
- A biased commentator

You’ve got to give credit to Jacques Vallee and George Knapp. Both have freely admitted being under NDA.

I hate saying this because there is so much positivity that comes from the Young Guns. However, when they don’t even consider any negative side to the way TTSA behaves they harm the community.

I’m sure many were the same over Project Beta, MJ12, the Holloman film, Serpo etc.

I hope I’m wrong but regardless a more investigative stance re TTSA would go a long way.

Next time you see an uncritical article about a ufo group or organisation, an article or comment that lacks balance, consider if it is a press release, a spokesperson under NDA or biased thinking.

Just my two cents.

—-> The big announcement will be that they are closer than ever to understanding the materials, but more work needs to be done. Hence more funding.

Oh and a 9-12 episode series, made by A+E on History and starting in June.

This series and its crew are under NDA, I’ve had that confirmed.

originally posted by: pigsy2400
Well here's some excerpts from the interview that George Knapp did with Harry Reid very recently;

“Anomalous Acute And Subacute Field Effects on Human Biological Tissues,” written by Dr. Kit Green.

I’m slow catching up with all this, so apologies if this has already been covered, but one angle of the TTSA angle/narrative might becoming a bit clearer:

- This DIRD article above (according to one source online: Silva Record) may have “looked into the harmful health consequences for persons who have had close encounters”, in particular 1977 Colares and supposed evidence of “a thousand pages of documents all done by Brazilian Air Force investigative team, 500 photographs, 15 hours of motion film, a lot of medical injuries when people encountered these craft at close range” (Puthoff).

- The Rendlesham case of interest because of potential harmful health consequences to John Burroughs (mitral valve of the heart failure) and/or Jim Penniston (Meniere’s disease) and/or others like Smith

- 1984 USSR case recently uncovered by Guest101 (see: Rendlesham thread II page 76) where “ECG and electroencephalogram data seem to show brain and heart muscle damage that was caused by a relatively thin beam” (upon individual named Joeri Kabatsjnikov)

Posted by Guest101, we have this comment by Dr. Kit Green vis-à-vis Rendlesham injuries sustained by John Burroughs:

What caused his injuries (and several others present over the encounter) with the odd Air Form that emitted the Broad Band NIEMR? […] He [John Burroughs] had injuries we now understand are related to narrow RF bandwidths that only in some cases in the past five years have become linked to the specific etiology of cardiac and other injury he suffered.
[…]
The RF is identified in a dozen classified and a half-dozen unclassified studies on cardiological and neurological injuries. […] The data is sparse, it is not properly Peer-reviewed, it is not understood, it is not the subject of current research. And that is the truth.

(Christopher C. Green MD, PhD, FAAFS; Source: This forum)


And of the USSR case, this passage from a medical report by Ministry of Health of the Georgian SSR Research Institute:

When the aircraft is within 35 km of the UFO, the aircraft was exposed to radiation. As a result of irradiation, Kabachnikov Yu. I. suffered damage to the head and heart […] From here it should be concluded that Kabachnikov Yu. I. was subjected to radiation electromagnetic influence of an unknown physical characteristic. […] Identified abnormalities in the heart muscle and electroencephalogram are unique, as they are not described in medicine because of the unusual and unique situation in which the pilot Kabachnikov Yu.I. was injured.

(Doctor of Medical Sciences, Professor KI Tsintsadze)

Make of that what you will.

- Advanced Aerospace "Threat" Identification Program - threat emphasised by me, but it would align with some of the above, perhaps even if some of the effects were not through hostile intent.


Some interesting elements. If they (TTSA/AATIP) do happen to have a smoking gun here which somehow lines up these coincidences and exposes an external influence (odd Air Form/UFO), how on earth are they going to be able to release it, given the waves this might make throughout the world?

a reply to: Defragmentor

Jacque Vallee also investigated this element quite some time ago in particular reference to the Brazilian cases.

Here is an excerpt from a 1994 interview which I have translated, the source to the original is below that too


Source

He also went to Brazil on "research trips" twice in 1986...

a reply to: pigsy2400

Uncle Joe had a lot of problems during the first half of this decade. See : Joe Firmage. He was in trouble with the law on a number of occasions and also being sued. The specific claims made in that document I posted above were



So they may well be related to these troubles.

Other interesting reading;

Other Joe Stuff

Interesting home page on that website too.

Can you see the connection?

originally posted by: SacredLore
But what IF...?

Call me naive, but one has to remain open for all possibilities.
I find this development very remarkable.

originally posted by: Baablacksheep
a reply to: SacredLore

Yep been looking at all that.

Great that's four eyes on it.

Or maybe six or eight if you got your specs on?

What does it mean exactly?

originally posted by: Defragmentor

- 1984 USSR case recently uncovered by Guest101 (see: Rendlesham thread II page 76) where “ECG and electroencephalogram data seem to show brain and heart muscle damage that was caused by a relatively thin beam” (upon individual named Joeri Kabatsjnikov)

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Although it was buried amongst mutterings about "Drive Failures" and the like - I never did hear a good answer to the very valid question of how you go about measuring potential dimensions of a none ionising RF beam that leaves no external indicators ???

originally posted by: 1ofthe9
a reply to: Cravens

Brother Blue was right all along. DIA black brothers.

I honestly wish I had a clue as to what you meant in your reply, but I appreciate it nonetheless

a reply to: mirageman

I spent several minutes listening...in sum: a once critical YouTuber has decided A.D.A.M.’s magic metals are indeed legit and TTSA is the real McCoy.

Nothing remarkable, revelatory, or interesting. Hopefully I saved you some time spent doing, well, anything else