Beyond Bigelow & BAASS, After AATIP and on To the Stars...

a reply to: Willtell

Classic bait and switch?

You've probably seen it before mate but there's some good info on this thread about Pope's AIRSEC2A group being situated right at bottom of the hierarchical set up (and his basic role as a P.R. talking head puppet).

Cheers.

[this was a reply to celltypespecific but something got messed up]

You actually enjoy reading that guy's tweets?

Do we really care about AATIP vs. OSD-AATIP?

Just shoot me now.

I was promised flying saucers.

originally posted by: ConfusedBrit

originally posted by: celltypespecific
We are essentially in the beginning of the socialization process regarding "UAP's".

So where better to start this 'socialisation process' than with right-wing conspiracy theorists like Glenn Beck?

I agree, Spock - not exactly a genius move by the Mellon Man.

I don't know about that.....

Its actually critical to have the right wing religious crowd onboard first....

The liberals/left will have an easier time with this than the Foxs news crowd

originally posted by: karl 12
a reply to: Willtell

Classic bait and switch?

You've probably seen it before mate but there's some good info on this thread about Pope's AIRSEC2A group being situated right at bottom of the hierarchical set up (and his basic role as a P.R. talking head puppet).

Cheers.

Thanks. I was well aware of MM’s earlier posts about old Nick not being a true Santa Claus and in fact only a munchkin.

a reply to: Willtell

Has there ever really been a Santa Claus when it comes to defining the UFO mystery mate?

(No)

Plenty and plenty of munchkins though!

The Gut...you were correct....

After analyzing "James Greywood's" Twitter feed it seems like he may be Dr. Kit Green or Eric Davis, or one of the other silly little birds.....

lovely gem by James Greywood:

2.) Many public commentators, FOIA filers, "Ufologist" on this issue are greatly ignorant of the real world legal & regulatory issues which govern this in DOD. Someone who does not either study or has real world experience in dealing with this will be played a fool by DOD.

twitter.com...

a reply to: celltypespecific

Seems to me that the whole crux of this is that US taxpayers got duped into paying Robert Bigelow $22m so that 3 videos could be released into the public domain.

a reply to: celltypespecific
Would Kit Green really go on Twitter and pretend to be a mystery man to enchant us and become Mr Greywood. Is that the kind of thing Kit would do in his spare time? What about Eric Davies ,would he really do something like that? Over to you Cellty. Do you believe that?

a reply to: Baablacksheep

Again we have Celly swinging like a pendulum between thinking this Greywood is a disinformation agent and that he also makes some really great points.

a reply to: coursecatalog


I like your edit CC

originally posted by: Baablacksheep
a reply to: celltypespecific
Would Kit Green really go on Twitter and pretend to be a mystery man to enchant us and become Mr Greywood. Is that the kind of thing Kit would do in his spare time? What about Eric Davies ,would he really do something like that? Over to you Cellty. Do you believe that?

It MUST be Green, Okay?

Supergreen.

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: celltypespecific

Seems to me that the whole crux of this is that US taxpayers got duped into paying Robert Bigelow $22m so that 3 videos could be released into the public domain.

You know this whole TTSA thing may all be about covering up the Bigelow, Harry Reid scam to get him that 22 million in cahoots with the government.
They are paying Bigelow for services rendered.

All those reports Bigelow gave to the government through AAWSAP and ATTIP were old reports he had through those pass years of NIDS research. All he had to do was pass along those old reports and claim they were current.
Now, just look at TTSA, an organization with little to no output, just a group on paper. Sure, they have books but these things would have been done anyway and that entertainment nonsense all would have been done so the actual UFO part of TTSA amounts to nothing. And that way TDL and Levenda can get their money through the books independent from TTSA.
It's a very successful operation in that they have a FAKE ufo group whose only existence came about to cover their asses over the Bigelow 22 million.

That's a theory to me that kind of fits the facts.

originally posted by: Baablacksheep

Would Kit Green really go on Twitter and pretend to be a mystery man to enchant us and become Mr Greywood. Is that the kind of thing Kit would do in his spare time? What about Eric Davies ,would he really do something like that?

I don't know if it's him or not, but remember we now know that Green was involved in promoting the SERPO hoax. As was Puthoff. As was Doty. Hmmmmm.

badufos.blogspot.com...

But don't forget that we taxpayers got more than just 3 videos released for the $22 million given to Bigelow by AAWSAP. We also got 38 papers on Weird Science, like invisibility, anti-gravity, space warping, and other fun stuff.

ufos-scientificresearch.blogspot.com...

a reply to: RobertSheaffer

I don't know if it's him or not, but remember we now know that Green was involved in promoting the SERPO hoax. As was Puthoff. As was Doty. Hmmmmm.

Yes. And now we are to waste time on folks who are are waffling on Twitter called Mr Greywood.

Its all so stinky.

a reply to: PublicOpinion

That is hillarious!

If you take the Navy's word for it in terms of what is shown in the videos is "Unidentified" - I think that is the only point that many can agree on. However, there are other aspects to this and I believe the Videos are the "shiny thing" that has your attention when other areas demand it more.


TheFinalTheory

"The video you are about to see seems to be a FLIR-hud-vision captured by one of the jets, that were sent out to intercept the unknown object. The materials we (me and one other ATS member who wished to remain nameless) used for this analysis/post were this video, an event-log and a power-point-presentation, but the information included in there has not been worked out yet.The files we have can be released on demand."

If you look at the first thread that TFT wrote, it states that there were multiple Powerpoint files. More;

"The powerpoints though I cant recall the details, had all sorts of sonar and sonic charts to it. There was a map of the area and I know for a fact that all the names of the places where completely made up. Times and dates where in some weird code."

In terms of "who else had these files" - one other person is referenced as having copies of them in the original thread.

Questions;
1) Where are the PowerPoint Files now?

2) Are those Briefing Slides as mentioned by NAVAIR as being Classified "Top Secret" in their possession in relation to the incident and with the video the same ones referenced in the original 2007 post?

3) Whats more important;

a) Videos that are deemed "unidentified" and do not display "sources and methods"?

OR

b) Ensuring that any other supporting detailed documentation that contains potentially Classified Information is recovered and returned to its owner?

People can argue about a blurry dot all they want, it will not go anywhere. If I was the Navy I "would" have been far more concerned with potentially Classified Information being out there in the wild. In this case, why does hardly anyone speak of these other files?

a reply to: pigsy2400

I am mostly a drive-by poster, so forgive me, but is this TFT a legit cat? Anyone vet their ATS bona fides??

I got caught in an Issac Koi rabbit hole w.r.t. the original 2007 vid release, but I have no recollection about TFT...

But, yeah, I have to imagine your questions are more likely to be the growing medium/substrate and the vid is more likely a ‘Johnny come lately’ annual — root and stem infrastructure still unmolested. The real goods were salvaged. Relative to Ufology’s standards, it makes sense...

originally posted by: pigsy2400
If you take the Navy's word for it in terms of what is shown in the videos is "Unidentified" - I think that is the only point that many can agree on. However, there are other aspects to this and I believe the Videos are the "shiny thing" that has your attention when other areas demand it more.


TheFinalTheory

"The video you are about to see seems to be a FLIR-hud-vision captured by one of the jets, that were sent out to intercept the unknown object. The materials we (me and one other ATS member who wished to remain nameless) used for this analysis/post were this video, an event-log and a power-point-presentation, but the information included in there has not been worked out yet.The files we have can be released on demand."

If you look at the first thread that TFT wrote, it states that there were multiple Powerpoint files. More;

"The powerpoints though I cant recall the details, had all sorts of sonar and sonic charts to it. There was a map of the area and I know for a fact that all the names of the places where completely made up. Times and dates where in some weird code."

In terms of "who else had these files" - one other person is referenced as having copies of them in the original thread.

Questions;
1) Where are the PowerPoint Files now?

2) Are those Briefing Slides as mentioned by NAVAIR as being Classified "Top Secret" in their possession in relation to the incident and with the video the same ones referenced in the original 2007 post?

3) Whats more important;

a) Videos that are deemed "unidentified" and do not display "sources and methods"?

OR

b) Ensuring that any other supporting detailed documentation that contains potentially Classified Information is recovered and returned to its owner?

People can argue about a blurry dot all they want, it will not go anywhere. If I was the Navy I "would" have been far more concerned with potentially Classified Information being out there in the wild. In this case, why does hardly anyone speak of these other files?

Excellent Excellent Excellent!!!!!!

This is exactly what I have been trying to express for the past two years....

This is the heart of the matter....the powerpoint slides...once again as to why Lt. Timmy is in germany.

The reason why I have been on ATS for the past two years is because of TheFinaltheory and the initial release of the vidoes and the powerpoint slides.

a reply to: celltypespecific

The reason why I have been on ATS for the past two years is because of TheFinaltheory and the initial release of the vidoes and the powerpoint slides.

I don't think that was a hard one to figure.