Beyond Bigelow & BAASS, After AATIP and on To the Stars...

a reply to: celltypespecific

The end!?!?

Isn’t SERPO one of those things you’ve always read about and though “wow it’d be cool if this were real”?
TTSA scooping up the SERPO narrative is perfectly in keeping with their postmodern approach of taking what they want from Ufology.
If they can make SERPO as real as they’ve made the Nimitz case then have at it in my opinion!

a reply to: Willtell

I strongly agree with the below statement:

We're in the age of cult-like groups, and people and individuals can get a die-hard following. The blinded ( by the darkness) followers will look the other way at all kinds of nefarious actions.

Seems like the postmodern TTSA project is swiftly running out of UFOlogy lore to recycle amd repackage.

Soon it is going to disappear up its own ass in some kind of messy Reverse Ouroboros.

originally posted by: coursecatalog
Seems like the postmodern TTSA project is swiftly running out of UFOlogy lore to recycle amd repackage.

Soon it is going to disappear up its own ass in some kind of messy Reverse Ouroboros.

You make a great point.

Indeed, they are going to have to recycle and put their own spin on long-existing ufo events that have been spun 1000 different ways already.

What else are they going to do?

They can't beat the dead horse of the Nimitz event forever.

UNLESS they come up with something new.

Even though the Nimitz story was not new.

It would be a happy surprise IF TTSA came up with something new.

But I doubt that happens.

So, a minimum investment of $350 to feed Project SERPO II.

What are TTSA's investors going to tell their sceptical friends?





"Nonsense - we never target people who have friends."



I joked ages ago that either Project SERPO or George Adamski would raise their ugly heads again in the never-ending spiral of recycled ufology. Could the former have been sitting under our very noses for over two years?

originally posted by: celltypespecific
I think this is the end of TTSA...

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Oh to be young and Deep Fried along with all the fawning followers of an academically well qualified physicist. But he still has a lot to learn about the world.

It's amazing how ufology "hoards" everything and never lets it go. Waiting for a new generation of gullible newbies to suck it up again. Thankfully most of the men who started it have little time left. Sadly there are now generations of people who believe their lies and can't cure themselves.

SERPO was debunked long ago. The aliens were supposed to inhabit a binary system Zeta Reticuli, 39 light years away, which we now know has no exo-planets. The claims of the measurement of the distance between the binary stars was wrong IIRC. Even if it wasn't then it meant the planetary orbits would be so extreme that cellular life would probably not exist. Never mind technologically advanced beings.

It was a sham and and Rick Doty, Kit Green and Hal Puthoff were all caught out being involved in it.

.... Rick Doty, and pseudonym characters Gene and Paul, launched a story on the Internet called "Project Serpo", a tale about 12 astronauts who went on an exchange program to an alien planet. They claimed this was an alleged disclosure coming from an "anonymous" government insider. The scam was just as strange and ridiculous (and appeared to attempt to compete with) the ongoing Dan Burisch scam.

Eventually, investigators at this site uncovered .. the names of individuals privately and very actively involved with the people... distributing the information...

These individuals were none other than - Dr. Christopher Green and Dr. Harold Puthoff, both very good friends of Rick Doty's. RU investigators also published the fact that Rick Doty's own computer IP was identified on the header of not only the anonymous source emails, but also Paul McGovern's, and several other characters who were allegedly "insiders" communicating only via email, and refusing to meet anyone in person, or speak on the phone.

According to Bob Collins - the old group from the 1980s still exists. This group includes Hal Puthoff, Rick Doty, Kit Green, and Robert Collins, but very likely also includes Ernie Kellerstrass, Dale Graff, Scott Jones, and John Alexander. Collins writes:

"To this day many of us still stay in contact (except for Bill & Jaime) coordinating information while talking with our sources."

I recently asked Dr. Green why he and Hal have remained so involved in this subject matter (UFOs) for so many years - always in the very "thick" of scams such as MJ12, Project Aquarius, Burisch, and Project Serpo; risking getting "outed" and giving the general public the impression that they were also an integral part of the scams perpetrated and distributed by their friend Rick Doty and others. His answer was eloquent, as always:

"In hindsight, even my foray into 'The Team of FIVE' to try and see if Anonymous (The first one) was really a sitting US Government person, 'leaking' some classified data I had seen snippets of before (unrelated to UFO's, actually), to support disclosure in the guise of a fiction to protect psyches...contributed. I am both continuously ashamed I didn't see the risk, and better informed that fewer angels dance on pins than I thought. I believe in angels, too. But my stupid complicity has changed my entire way of both operating, and viewing what is happening. 'Physician...Heal Thyself'?"...


Reality Uncovered -2005

Yet he didn't did he?

There was no healing. Just more weasel dealing. Because in 2019 there's Dolan worshipping at his feet for an interview as if he's some Messiah.

After the recent Alien Autopsy Memo Revival Kit also back tracked and had to claim it wasn't real. No, he thought he'd been conned and really seen film/photos of six fingered sufferer of progeria with an internal physiology looking nothing like that of a human being and also with a dark covering over the eyes. The chances of which are billions to one. But he expects you to believe, despite his qualifications, that he is in fact easily fooled.

More recently Keith Basterfield asked Dr. Green for a comment on the recent claims about human experimentation at the famous ranch in Utah....Where he once again seemed to detach himself from the "paranormal" angle that we all thought he'd found the right medication for 15 years ago.....

"Your article and comments by Mr. Marx and Mr Bartel are really a very nice summary. I have no additional comments because I have no important disagreements with what you and they had said.

The reference to the fatality rate does not include any persons from the Ranch...but is a different and primarily military population.....

I am attempting to write a clinical case study of several of the more interesting cases, that touch on the issues of "non-lethal" weapons. I am baffled. I am certain that no injuries I have encountered in referred cases...or others for that matter, require paranormal or "off world" technologies to have caused harm.

This conclusion I have reached slowly, over the past 10 years, but it is data driven. Many of my colleagues I respect disagree. No physicians disagree. That is sadly a defeat for me. A forensic physician must seek to discern 'perpetrators' and criminal motive as well as unknown morbidity and mortality and etiology of illness and injury. I have no clue as to perpetrators and motives. But I don't require magic and aliens to characterize the injuries and pathologies."

AAWSAP and Skinwalker ranch - Kit Green makes a statement

I think a serious question needs to be asked about a man who claims to have briefed Presidents.

Why does he continue with the narrative of his own naivety and stupidity when it comes to his own involvement in this subject?

Surely there is a point where such naivety becomes negligence in his duties?

But I am sure he has an answer involving angels and pins.

a reply to: mirageman


The usual suspects at it again.

And this generation of gullible folks just eats it up with not a modicum of research.

It's clear when the sharks see a UFO dupe in the water-- bleeding gullibility-- they strike: a bunch of them retire and then proceed, with some already retirees like Doty, Puthoff, and Green to start a new UFO private hoax.

For some reason, they no longer do it from inside the government but outside when they retire.


One wonders what these hoaxsters get out of deceiving people.


They have some kind of fetish to examine believers.

Here's some more on the international UFO hoax squad

constantinereport.com...

originally posted by: mirageman

Kit:

"Your article and comments by Mr. Marx and Mr Bartel are really a very nice summary. I have no additional comments because I have no important disagreements with what you and they had said.

The reference to the fatality rate does not include any persons from the Ranch...but is a different and primarily military population.....

I am attempting to write a clinical case study of several of the more interesting cases, that touch on the issues of "non-lethal" weapons. I am baffled. I am certain that no injuries I have encountered in referred cases...or others for that matter, require paranormal or "off world" technologies to have caused harm.

This conclusion I have reached slowly, over the past 10 years, but it is data driven. Many of my colleagues I respect disagree. No physicians disagree. That is sadly a defeat for me. A forensic physician must seek to discern 'perpetrators' and criminal motive as well as unknown morbidity and mortality and etiology of illness and injury. I have no clue as to perpetrators and motives. But I don't require magic and aliens to characterize the injuries and pathologies."

That's so very admirable and ethical of Dr. Green.

Then again he very-well could know the who, what, when, where, and how and is one of the primaries assessing damage (intended/unintended) over the years. And probably managing some new human-use experimentation along the way to boot!

Which one fits what we know about Kit best?

originally posted by: The GUT

That's so very admirable and ethical of Dr. Green.

Then again he very-well could know the who, what, when, where, and how and is one of the primaries assessing damage (intended/unintended) over the years. And probably managing some new human-use experimentation along the way to boot!

Which one fits what we know about Kit best?

Hmm, that's a toughie.

I think he's still feeling sore after being duped TWICE about gaining Special Access to alien autopsy material - hence the way he spat out how he didn't need "magic and aliens" - MIAOWW, said the Kitty.


PS: By the way, Baa has sent out the GUT-Signal in the RFI thread, alerting you to a new interview with a certain Mr LaPlume...

originally posted by: ConfusedBrit

PS: By the way, Baa has sent out the GUT-Signal in the RFI thread, alerting you to a new interview with a certain Mr LaPlume...

Hey, 10-4 thanks headed there now,

And, yeah, I do believe there might be some soreness as you mentioned with Green.

a reply to: The GUT

I did smile re the "Baa" signal.

Back to the subject matter. Dr Green. Hmmmmm.

Doty speaks out about Project SERPO.

In a Twitter reply to Deep Prasad, Dick Dastardly insists:

I did not create SERPO. I wish I had. I would be sitting on millions of dollars right now.

He says he doesn't know who did, but in any case:

... to many within DIA, past and present, SERPO was a real project.

My stomach churned at that point as he began to resurrect the entire myth all over again, including invoking a claim that Whitley Strieber had personally interviewed one of the 'exchange astronauts'. And if you even suggest that Tricky Dicky was actively involved in SERPO, you are "ignorant", despite plenty of existing evidence to the contrary.

I'll just let the internet idiots continue to embarrass themselves.

Here's the whole gruesome text: twitter.com...

I suggest keeping a bucket handy whilst reading.

a reply to: ConfusedBrit

I'm tapping out.

I can't just can't with that Deep kid, he is a spoiled brat and has the EQ of a gnat.
What kind of idiot resurrects Serpo and Doty and gives him oxygen?
SMH in disbelief.

I just can't.

I could not agree more with Deep's comment below... what is it about this topic that drives men (and women) Mad....

a reply to: ConfusedBrit

Thanks CB. I read that before breakfast.

Talking of Doty was Isaac Koi about to deliver info on him, or have I got that wrong? I seem to recall something on the matter which did not transpire.

a reply to: celltypespecific

It appears to be pretty contagious.

a reply to: zazzafrazz

Regarding mental health, that's why I left researching ufology. In fact, a very particular episode. I still do check in from time to time, but I got what I consider the answer to some of this a while back. For those of you looking for answers, I strongly recommend you read Dr Green's comments on Keith Basterfield's excellent blog. None of the people he looked at had injuries that were caused by anything unexplainable.

That means the experiencer group, referenced in numerous places, including Jacobsen's excellent Phenomenon are all victims of terrestrial projects. Think about that. Gamma, microwave, UV and terahertz injuries from something made here.

That means that John Burroughs, saved by Dr Green's intervention, was not injured by aliens but by earthly "perpetrators" with some sort of device that generates the aforementioned radiations. The RFI at least is at the centre of the change.

As for SERPO and Deep, I'll offer a connection that I see after becoming far too wrapped up in this stuff and risking my own health.

Dr Diana Pasulka. You might believe she was hacked or not. Regardless, she did admit that some of her private views in email, were expressed publicly by the hacker. Either way, she's clearly under a lot of stress and perhaps duress.

So whilst Dr Pasuka and or the hacker are commenting on mind games, Prasad also seem's to have a straw added that broke the camels back. He seems to also be negative on aspects of TTSA.

Whilst I don't believe they were communicating, I wonder if their worries are connected to a common issue. I also not they both maintain good relationships with the Bledsoes.

a reply to: ConfusedBrit

My opinion is that all of this will lead back to Roswell. It will then collapse and be folded in on itself.

a reply to: ctj83
You mention the Bledsoe case, I've wondered a lot about that case and the connections to religious symbolism. When I watched the informative 4-part Mufon report on Youtube, I don't recall Bledsoe using the term angel, but then in a later podcast interview he seemed very eager to kick off the discussion by saying 'these are angels'. The name Chris (Christ) Bledsoe (Bled). Maybe a coincidence but seems deeply symbolic. With the evangelical contingent making such a power play in this current administration, its easy to imagine they'd love to tout the angelic associations and themes to the fullest. Im interested in seeing how the story evolves.

a reply to: ctj83

I can't even consider John injured by aliens. Thats a no brainer.