Beyond Bigelow & BAASS, After AATIP and on To the Stars...

a reply to: celltypespecific

Well a whole week has flown by already. Last night on the newest Ancient Aliens we have the Nimitz incident, guest starring Michio Kaku, who apparently does not agree with Youtubby Mick West, because Michio says that we know have the readouts showing how fast these UAP craft are and what they are capable of. Then stating that things have now turned around and that it is now up to the establishment to show that UFO's ARE NOT alien.

And then on the newest `In Search Of` we have the Nimitz incident again, guest starring Kevin Day, with our faux Spock host saying that after the Fravor flight 6 Falcons were launched, even though the production film only shows 4. Still, I thought the following flight was only the single Falcon which filmed the Tic with the FLIR. Guess I am going to have to go back and read those logs again.

Ancient Aliens was actually decent last night, they weren't trying to tie every historical event with Aliens. Nick Pope interviewed Tucker Carlson, who had interviewed and asked Trump what he thought. Of course there was denial, but Carlson says he doesn't buy it.

Also had John Podesta with some snippets throughout the show. The focus on the show was overall disclosure.

Robert Bigelow -- I'm guessing if her were outright asked if he had supposed "materials", or what they really know about Skinwalker Ranch, he'd give evasive answers. I'm not sure if he's ever been asked and pushed on this stuff point blank.

Haven't watched the In Search Of from last night, is it worth it? Zachary Quinto has such a monotone voice that sometimes that show puts me to sleep!

So many people beating around the bush on this topic, why doesn't anyone say something concrete? Like Bigelow saying he has materials from a crashed vehicle and what they know about it as an example. What are people afraid of?

a reply to: celltypespecific

Is that the big news?

a reply to: mirageman

I think he is anti suby. Though he's a little challenging to fully understand

I too watched AA and the heir to Spock--Zachary Quinto--and their alien programs.

Both went into the present Nimitz obsession. Which will be bilked for all its worth (not much) by ufo fanatics.

Frankly, I’ve always said there are many more as credible ufo incidents and flaps that the Nimitz.

They better come up with something else real fast since the public's attention span is as far as TDL can throw Zondo.


To summarize all of this, it seems this TTSA operation may be all to popularize this Nimitz incident, for whatever reason.

One can conclude this because all the evidence points to this Nimitz incident being leaked years earlier and didn't catch on on its own. So they had to assemble this TTSA mob to popularize it. That was a success. But for what remains to be seen.

originally posted by: spiritualarchitect
... guest starring Kevin Day

Good grief. It beggars belief that Day still gets the time of... er... day anymore.

The single most unreliable witness of the entire case, irrespective of Fravor agreeing with that verdict. Now, I do sympathise with Day's state of mind, and if he truly believes that the Tic Tac granted him magical healing powers and the ability to foretell the future (cited numerous times before in this thread, including apocalyptic visions), then all power to his beliefs. But he needs to gracefully retire from this case and leave it to personnel we can at least trust on some level. If it is established as a genuine ET incident, then fine, Kev - fill yer boots; you can even claim to be the Second Coming.

In the meantime, though, he is standing in the Rogues Gallery.

a reply to: ConfusedBrit

If it is established as a genuine ET incident, then fine, Kev - fill yer boots; you can even claim to be the Second Coming.

How are they going to establish that CB?

You see, IMO, that’s the basic fallacy of ufology, that this government has NEVER ever really studied the phenomena using modern technology.

That premise to me is FALSE. Indeed, they have studied it outside of the familiar FAKE studies, i.e.: Blue Book, Condon Committee, Robertson Panel.

…And they have realized that they can go so far in these incidents in identifying or verifying what they are.


In other words, discloser is likely dependent on the phenomena itself, whatever it is.

And these little groups like TTSA are redundant and ineffectual.

a reply to: ConfusedBrit

Good grief. It beggars belief that Day still gets the time of... er... day anymore.

Yes I believe he is CEO of the secretive group with UFO Deepak kid and Man bun (version II of Cowbell) investigative filmmaker whatshisname who are Whale Watching near San Diego.
There may be a break dance off between them v Zonk/Delonge on the San Diego Pier sometime soon.

twitter.com...

a reply to: zazzafrazz

Hello world, this is the official Twitter of UAP Expedition Group, led by CEO Kevin Day. We are a non-profit organization dedicated to the search for extraterrestrial life.

I need medication after reading this stuff .

History repeating itself?

Twenty four years ago Harry Reid's partners in funnelling money to AAWSAP (Stevens and Inouye - both Senators since the 1960s) were also in the know about the "Psychic Spies" aka Stargate Project and seemingly supportive of it. It was kept going for almost 20 years until 1995 when it was finally deemed a failure.

A HANDFUL OF SENATORS KEPT DIA PSYCHICS AT WORK

A secret Defense Intelligence Agency program that posed tough military questions to a handful of full-time, salaried psychics was kept alive for years at the insistence of a few senators and a congressional staff aide despite opposition from senior military intelligence officials, congressional and military sources said yesterday.

One staff member -- C. Richard D'Amato, an intelligence specialist on the Senate Appropriations subcommittee on defense.... was credited by four sources with almost single-handedly ensuring the defeat of repeated efforts by the DIA's leadership to kill the psychic program...

D'Amato...confirmed in an interview yesterday that he kept the program alive because four to six senators had expressed unusual and sustained interest in its potential...

"I wanted this to continue because I was responding to the desire of members [of the Senate] who came to me," D'Amato said....

Subcommittee Chairman Ted Stevens (R-Alaska) and senior minority member Daniel K. Inouye (D-Hawaii) were both briefed annually on all intelligence programs, including the psychic research program, congressional sources said. A former military official familiar with the program said Inouye in particular "was interested and willing to take some risks" to pursue the program...

The classified psychic research program consists of three parts, according to a report released this week by the CIA. One portion has been devoted to scientific research aimed at determining whether and how the psychic technique called "remote viewing" works; another portion has tried to figure out the type of parapsychology work being conducted by foreign governments; and the third involved supporting as many as six psychics at a time at Fort Meade, Md....

...a 1989 report by the DIA inspector general concluded that the U.S. effort "had not reached operational status" and should be halted, a recommendation he accepted.

"I thought the thing had gone away," only to discover several years later that the work persisted, Soyster said. "It had congressional support and a life of its own."

Soyster's successor at DIA, Lt. Gen. James R. Clapper Jr., also tried to kill the psychic research program by omitting its funding in proposals to the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, military and congressional sources said. But a former Senate aide said D'Amato repeatedly persuaded the committee to add earmarked funds for the program even though "there was no proof that it ever worked."

"He was adamant," the former aide said of D'Amato. "Someone sold him on this. I never heard anyone else say this was important...We didn't want to offend the guy, because we really needed his help on the big-ticket intelligence items."

D'Amato confirmed that "that kind of discussion [about horse-trading of such programs] goes on across the board," and that the appropriations subcommittee was persistently more interested in the psychic research effort than the authorizing committee. "We're talking pretty small bananas here," he said.

Washington Post - Dec 1st 1995

Heavily involved in this disappointing project was ex-$cientologist Hal Puthoff. A man who's CV has failure written all over it for the past 50 years. Unless wasting taxpayers and billionaires money is counted as a success. So what exactly was the secret of his success through public failure? Why does he keep being the go to person with such a poor record?

Less than a year after Project Stargate was cancelled in 1995, Bob Bigelow had been 'encouraged' to fund NIDS and bought Skinwalker Ranch. Hal Puthoff would be appointed to the NIDS team as Chairman of the Board.

When NIDS was closed in 2004 due to few real results beyond good stories good old Hal turns up as a contractor employed on the AAWSAP project just a few years later. When that ended he's right there on Tom's board and was given £35k to test meta-materials by the TTSA board (which he sits on). We still don't know what he wasted that money doing and we still don't know exactly why and how Bigelow "....modified buildings in Las Vegas for the storage of metal alloys and other materials that Mr. Elizondo and program contractors said had been recovered from unidentified aerial phenomena."

It begs many questions for sure.

a reply to: mirageman



I recall D’Amato was really prominent in Valles FS4

a reply to: Willtell

This is an interesting point you make.
When all this Nimitz stuff was first breaking I was certain I had heard talk of the incident previously listening to George Knapp on Coast To Coast.

Was wondering if anyone has read this book


I knew i had heard half and more of the stuff delonge was talking about. All of them were mentioned 50 years ago. Scientists from the west coast hearing voices about metallurgical processes and filling patents for them,atlantis,greek gods, the whole enchilada. So did tdl read it and pass it as his own story with the added topping of internal pentagon sources?

Are there even generals and what not he talked with about the ufo phenomenon?


Also as far as the "under our noses" stuff mentioned by bob,I would like to think he is talking about "humanity-humanities" as zondo put it. Theres this thought that there might be someone else here on earth with us who goes to great lengths at trying to convince us that they come from the pleiades.

And no Mactonies wasnt the first to mention ultraterrestrials,Ivan sanderson was


Soz for the offtopic,good day all

a reply to: IMSAM Wow IMSAM, you opened flood gates in my mind... You got it man, eureka! Star for you.

Was wondering if anyone has read this book

a reply to: IMSAM

No I have not. What was interesting was some of the comments by those who had.

A lot of people have been getting on mm lately.

We’ll you’re all wrong, IMO.

Here’s a guy who is truly a scholar on ufology. He’s taught me a lot in my ufo research, which I've done for a long time but recently upgraded it to a serious study, for reasons I won’t go into at this time.

MM also demonstrates to us that one should view this with an objective eye not wish fulfillment.

It's not about what one believes. It's about looking at this with a degree of honesty that, in the end, will allow for one to possibly find the truth, one way or the other.

As I see it, in this thread or threads here, we’ve always been open to debate but only ask folks to look at the evidence objectively.

And as for criticism that may offend people’s sensibilities regarding someone they admire, well then defend yourself, but don’t expect to be coddled but debated with the known facts.

That’s said, I personally never want to offend someone’s beliefs, but sometimes it's unavoidable.

And let us debate in the spirit of camaraderie and self-respect.

Were all just humans groping in the dark looking for that light, I believe it is possible to find.

a reply to: Willtell

I have only seen a couple of folks throw toys of late . Not bad going really. Debates are sometimes not without conflicting thoughts.

Mirageman has created an excellent thread as he has others. He certainly is well studied in this subject and sure gets a person to think. Great humour too.😁

a reply to: IMSAM

I saw this book mentioned recently (maybe by you?) and bought a copy but have not started it yet. I was intrigued because it's one of the few Keel books that I have not read.

The whole TTSA mythology seems like some kind of synthesis of stuff that's been floating around for decades including much of Keel, Vallee, Sitchin (and Sanderson as you mentioned especially with the underwater angle).

Remember that Bill Moore started studying Atlantis once he allegedly was given inside information in return for passing on government UFO propaganda. Yet another insider who got what he wanted and then dropped out of sight.

The biggest problem with this TTSA mythology is that it is self-contradicting. Not everything Tom has said in interviews or included in the fiction books or included in Levenda's books or included in the Lazar book can be true at the same time. It's a mess.

A lot of people have been getting on mm lately.

MM is a big boy...or girl.

I am sure he...or she can handle it

We love you MM!!!!

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