Beyond Bigelow & BAASS, After AATIP and on To the Stars...

a reply to: mirageman

She is very unconvincing

Few can understand this esoteric technological stuff.

It's very easy to get lost with the technological details of this.

,,.And present that something weird or important indicates the material is alien.

a reply to: Willtell

I turned off Loony Linda 10 minutes in, let me know if there was anything worth turning back in for.

a reply to: karl 12


Oh yes, Colares had a similar visit from officials confiscating pictures and videos and suggesting the use of infrared cameras and films.

Also wilbert smith talked about 3 tons if im not mistaken of metamaterials back then. Which makes one wonder.


Found the excerpt will post it for posterity only for it to get lost to ats search engine

During a recorded interview with C. W. Fitch and George Popovitch in November 1961 , Wilbert Smith admitted that a number of fragments from UFOs had been recovered and analyzed by his research group, including one that had been shot from a UFO near Washington, DC, in July 1952.

Said Smith:

I was informed that the disk was glowing and was about two feet in diameter. A glowing chunk flew off and the pilot saw it glowing all the way to the ground. He radioed his report and a ground party hurried to the scene. The thing was still glowing when they found it an hour later. The entire piece weighed about a pound. The segment that was loaned to me was about one third of that. It had been sawed off. . . . There was iron rust—the thing was in reality a matrix of magnesium orthosilicate. The matrix had great numbers—thousands—of 15-micron spheres scattered through it.

Smith was asked if he had returned the piece to the US Air Force when he had completed his analysis. “Not the Air Force. Much higher than that," he replied. “The Central Intelligence Agency?” asked the interviewers. “I’m sorry, gentlemen, but I don’t care to go beyond that point,” said Smith, but added, “I can say to you that it went to the hands of a highly classified group. You will have to solve that problem—their identity—for yourselves.” 11 In my opinion, that group was Majestic 12,referred to earlier in this chapter and elsewhere.

Wilbert Smith also confirmed that a mass of unidentified metal was recovered by his group in July 1960 in Canada. “There is about three thousand pounds of it,” he told Fitch and Popovitch during the same
interview.

Been searching this interview left and right but no luck so far,the above excerpt is from timothy good book "above top secret" . Also another hint of a secret group somewhere searching about ufos.

What a coincident :

Now researchers from MIT, Harvard University, and the U.S. Army have built a compact device, the size of a shoebox, that produces a terahertz laser whose frequency they can tune over a wide range. The device is built from commercial, off-the-shelf parts and is designed to generate terahertz waves by spinning up the energy of molecules in nitrous oxide, or, as it's more commonly known, laughing gas

Johnson and his colleagues have published their results in the journal Science. Co-authors include MIT postdoc Fan Wang, along with Paul Chevalier, Arman Armizhan, Marco Piccardo, and Federico Capasso of Harvard University, and Henry Everitt of the U.S. Army Combat Capabilities Development Command Aviation and Missile Center

science.sciencemag.org...

phys.org...

a reply to: zazzafrazz

I couldn't make it through either Zazz. She used her usual tactic of talking as much as possible and for as long as possible so as to avoid any awkward questions....Accompanied by very rapid blinking. She's full of it.




The above is a summary of John's reaction as she carried on and on and on. While he waited to seize on a moment when she paused for breath. Just to ask another question. It never came before I tuned out.....

I have since skimmed through it....The summary is that Linda thinks her artifact is alien. She keeps being told by people that test it that there's nothing to prove that. They of course are all wrong. But it's like throwing pigs off a skyscraper. If you throw enough of them off the top then maybe one will fly. The bacon mountain at the bottom just means you haven't proved it yet. Yes this woman is a complete lunatic.

Oh and John finally asks the question about who paid who for the sample...

Link to specific question about who was paid for alleged metamaterials

Despite saying this was simple and straightforward and rambling I don't think she ever answered the question.

If anyone does then please let us know!

a reply to: mirageman

I have not even wasted 10 seconds......

Cointelpro Richard Doty recently mentioned to Jimmy Church that there were 'currently disinfo agents on the UFO lecture circuit' (although that itself could be disinfo).

link

If I had to hazard a guess then Linda would be right up there at the top of the list - she's been gibbering unhinged chatterbox for quite a while now and I'm not surprised Greenewald couldn't get a word in edgeways - she's also been knowingly promoting hoaxed UFO documents as the real deal (see 23:00).

If I'm wrong then fair enough but I do think she does a great disservice to UFO research (as does a lot of other folks).

originally posted by: zazzafrazz
a reply to: mirageman


Besides CMs unbelievable background in secret govt and his billions from his family who since running the country in to the ground during their tenure as head of the treasury pre and during the Great depression, have continued "UFO" relationships with other banker-mafia families like the Rockefeller's. Why would he go cap in hand to research materials with the army when his name is on the building of one of the countries leading private Tech research universities, the Carnegie Mellon Institute?

His family have been mercenary like tech researcher patrons for over a century.

The Mellon Institute of Industrial Research was first established as the Department of Industrial Research at the neighboring University of Pittsburgh. It conducted research for firms on a contractual basis; a company would contract the institute to solve a specific problem, and the institute would then hire an appropriate scientist to do the research. The results of the research then became the property of the contracting company.

en.m.wikipedia.org...

Why hand back 'meta material' in public hands for 3 decades (not that I think its exotic, but lets say it is) back to the dark abyss of the military? Why not at the very least as per his family Tech Institute charter allow results and materials after research to become the property of the contracting company (in this instance TTSA).

It makes no sense? Unless he always planed to get it back in defense hands in the first place? If it is material form a secret Military project then I'm ok with they should have just gone in and got it back. No sense I say!
Anyone?

So I persisted and turned it back on, and I'm glad I did.
I know I have been banging on about history in this thread more than anything.
I've tried to work out why and when Mellon is involved. A man that worked with Rockefella. A man who's family is old world banker and elite family one world.
I wondered why TTSA would hand over to the army this material.
Why does the army want it?
I wondered why Mellon didn't take the object to to his family's hundred year old science research facility, the Carnegie-Mellon research institute that actually does this type of research.

Then I hear Linda say. in 2012 the material was sent to the Carnegie Mellon institute.....Alarms bells went off.

The item is said to have come from NM, anyone who has research anything knows that Whitesands is where they not only tested first nuclear weapons but from May-Oct 47 when all these NM "UFO" crashes supposedly took place is when the Paperclip scientists were doing their thing in the very area.
Is this a piece of anti gravity work they did? Bismuth is said to have been used in the Philadelphia experiment.
Now I'm not saying The Bell or the Philly Experiment were real. .... But I am saying anything the Nazi's did in anti gravity, rocketry, flight, the US took very very seriously, It may also be a product of Whitesands rocketry and nuclear testing in that area in the 40s, if the providence can be established that is where it truly came from.

I'll read more into this on the weekend no time now, But I may end up retracting my suspicion it's industrtial slag. My spidey senses tell me our Govt loved Nazi tech...The Old bankers loved Nazis
Those naughty Nazi were way better at 'sciencing' than any of us.

I know I've been banging on for over a year about old banker families, Nazis and the occult and this is not 'scientific' but always look back to see what to expect from people in the present.

In a nutshell Mellon already had this object go through his facility and they have spent the last 5 years getting it over to the army where it probably initially came from as part of old Paperclip or a Philly shipyard....

Where's the Gut, he'll encourage me

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"Q: How did To The Stars Academy secure a CRADA deal with the U.S. Army Combat Capabilities Development Command? What specifically was the U.S. Army interested in researching from To The Stars Academy that resulted in the creation of the CRADA?"

"A: The credentials of the people on the To The Stars Academy team who articulated the initial analysis of the materials is what caught the U.S. Army team's attention. To The Stars Academy team members are serious industry professionals with respected backgrounds in industry, materials science, and defense work. The U.S. Army approached To The Stars Academy in search of additional information about mechanical and electro-magnetic (EM) metamaterials and their Camouflage, Concealment, Deception and Obscuration (CCDO) capabilities, as well as creating a collaborative partnership to investigate secure quantum communications. After several meetings, the U.S. Army decided to seek a collaborative partnership with To The Stars Academy in the form of a CRADA."





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originally posted by: zazzafrazz
I'll read more into this on the weekend no time now, But I may end up retracting my suspicion it's industrtial slag.

I can't say if it's industrial slag, but I do have some comments from an engineering/science perspective. Linda says she got a letter from Hal Puthoff saying he wanted to test it for waveguide properties of terahertz radiation. But where did Puthoff get the idea you could use layered metals for waveguides of terahertz? It would make a terrible waveguide for several reasons:

1. Magnesium/Zinc and bismuth are both metals, and terahertz waves cannot pass through metal, or the the miniscule extent they do, the losses are huge, and it if you put some terahertz in one end you'd get a miniscule amount out the other end and mostly losses in the form of heating up the metal. The link is about how terahertz waveguide research in 2004 found a simple wire works better than expected because the terahertz waves can pass along the outside surface of the metal in the form of a Surface plasmon polariton. Maybe Puthoff was thinking he might get something like that surface effect at the interfaces between the metals, but again the losses would be huge so the whole idea makes no sense to me.

terahertz waves cannot pass through metal.

By the way that research on terahertz waveguides is from 2004 so for Linda to drone on in 2019 about how nobody knows much about it is ignorant.

2. For a waveguide, you want it to be relatively smooth and to the extent it curves I've seen specifications on how tight the turns can be in say flexible cables containing waveguides, such as in the abstract of this 2013 paper on Terahertz waveguides:

Flexible polystyrene-lined hollow metallic waveguides for the 2.5-5 THz band

These waveguides are suited well for the spectral range of THz QCLs and they can provide a solution for shaping the highly divergent QCL beams. The waveguides are flexible enough to form bends with the radius of curvature as small as 100-150 mm.

You really don't want your waveguides to look like this image Linda Howe showed which has radii of curvature much smaller.


So that's another reason I don't understand what they hope to accomplish with the tests. Even if it ever was a waveguide when those layers were flat which I suspect they were when it was originally made, the layers aren't flat any more and testing it as a waveguide in that deformed condition seems doubly ridiculous.

So to me the entire waveguide discussion seems like a ridiculous tangent with a zero percent chance of yielding anything useful, which I guess shouldn't be too surprising since I think pretty much the same of the unscientific manner in which Puthoff conducted his paranormal research based on comments made by someone who was there.

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: mirageman

She is very unconvincing

Few can understand this esoteric technological stuff.

It's very easy to get lost with the technological details of this.

Amen, she can read technical stuff but she doesn't really understand it, though I could see a couple of brain cells of hers trying to figure this part out but she couldn't make sense of it. While she's droning on about this Terahertz waveguide nonsense, she says "where have we seen terahertz before? John Burroughs" and she proceeds to tell about how his heart valve was shredded by terahertz radiation, and that they are using terahertz radiation in some airport scanners. So I could almost hear the gears turning up in her head when she tries to explain why we won't all get our heart valves shredded by the terahertz scanners at the airport, and she says, correctly, that terahertz only penetrates skin deep, which is true, so it's not going to shred our heart valves.

So why does she persist in this ridiculous story about John Burroughs getting his heart valve shredded by terahertz radiation? Because she can't tell the wheat from the chaff, and she talks about both with equal validity. Yes I read Kit Green's statement about research on terahertz radiation but it sounded very unreliable, not peer reviewed or scrutinized and could easily be some "correlation does not equal causation" thing where maybe people were exposed to terahertz radiation and they were found with shredded heart valves but if you can't explain how the two are linked and nobody ever has, not even Kit Green, then if it has any truth at all it's got to be one of those "correlation does not equal causation" things.

So I'm not worried about getting my heart valves shredded by terahertz and I think if there's any science at all in what Kit Green posted about that, it's bad science, but he never posted the science itself. Anyway if what Kit Green posted about terahertz radiation shredding Burrough's heart valve is not bad science, maybe he could explain how the entire population going through terahertz airport scanners isn't going to get their heart valves shredded by the terahertz radiation. I think this is a good example of your point on this esoteric technical stuff, and Linda Howe especially will latch onto things like this Burroughs terahertz story even though she says in the next sentence terahertz can't go more than skin deep (and thus it's not possible for it to reach the heart valves), so which is it?". The fact that Linda tells the two contradicting statements in the same breath with equal vigor shows a lack of logic and disregard for truth, probably no surprise to anybody here except maybe celltypespecific who seems to believe anything anybody tells him, for at least 5 minutes, until someone else tells him something else, unless the source is Mick West at metabunk who is not telling him what he wants to hear.

"Q: Where was To The Stars Academy’s material of interest obtained from?

A: To The Stars Academy has acquired material from various sources and does not comment on the specifics of its origin. Although, there are various claims around the origin of certain specimens that To The Stars Academy can’t substantiate, the CRADA will enable the organization to widen the scope of its research in order to verify other important characteristics and potential capabilities of its metamaterials. The organization continues to pursue material from a variety of sources including private and government sources."

dpo.tothestarsacademy.com...

"Q: Which materials/technologies does To The Stars Academy currently have in hand and which ones are mostly still in the theoretical/research phase?

A: The maturity of the technologies in development by To The Stars Academy vary from that of purely theoretical to demonstrated capabilities. The active camouflage technology is an example of a very mature capability that builds off of existing systems. The secure quantum communications system has had laboratory demonstration of the physics principle and now the development will focus on transitioning the design to meet operational needs for bandwidth, waveforms, and hardware integration. The advanced material studies are still in theoretical investigation and experimentation phases, but provide the high payoff of increased survivability by significantly reducing the mass of armored vehicles."

dpo.tothestarsacademy.com...

" Q: Do the active camouflage technologies that To The Stars Academy refers to rely on metamaterials?

A: The camouflage technology To The Stars Academy refers to has to do with an existing capability that is not connected with metamaterials. However, the organization believes that the research of its metamaterials could offer a similar capability down the road, but through a completely different mechanism."

dpo.tothestarsacademy.com...

2. For a waveguide, you want it to be relatively smooth and to the extent it curves I've seen specifications on how tight the turns can be in say flexible cables containing waveguides, such as in the abstract of this 2013 paper on Terahertz waveguides:

Arti, you need to update your research.... coincidentally this was just published today in Science:

Widely tunable compact terahertz gas lasers

Studies were performed by researchers from the US ARMY and Harvard, MIT, and Duke.

science.sciencemag.org...

probably no surprise to anybody here except maybe celltypespecific who seems to believe anything anybody tells him, for at least 5 minutes, until someone else tells him something else,

This made me laugh

Regardless, I have never being a fan of Linda...did not listen to the interview as I knew it would be a waste of time.
I am very surprised John interviewed her.

Overall you did a provided a decent overview/summary of terahertz research if you were one of my Grad students I would give you a solid B-.
But good job overall

a reply to: Arbitrageur



Very astute critique of her ridiculous presentation. Greenwald was too accommodating and just let her drone on without much guidance from him in order to actually question her.

He would ask a question and not even get it finished before she would interrupt him and continue the spiel.

originally posted by: zazzafrazz
a reply to: Willtell

I turned off Loony Linda 10 minutes in, let me know if there was anything worth turning back in for.

You didn't miss a thing. Though, I was surprised that Greenwald let her drone on into total incomprehension.

originally posted by: celltypespecific
" Q: Do the active camouflage technologies that To The Stars Academy refers to rely on metamaterials?

A: The camouflage technology To The Stars Academy refers to has to do with an existing capability that is not connected with metamaterials. However, the organization believes that the research of its metamaterials could offer a similar capability down the road, but through a completely different mechanism."

In other words, "NO".

At least I didn't feel like hanging myself halfway through that answer compared to the atrocious word salads composed of NOTHING AT ALL in the previous answers to straight questions. Then again, I doubt anyone at TTSA could answer a straight question if their lives depended on it.


Q: Did you brush your teeth this morning?

A: The first principle to consider is the nature of the cleansing paste and its storage before the oral application, especially the inside of the tube which is coated to prevent the cleansing material from reacting with the contents. Although the filled content can be squeezed out by finger pressure, the main characteristic of the storage material is the total separation of the contents from the surrounding atmosphere. Once that factor is realised, one's oral cavity can be opened far enough to accommodate the paste, but the nature of the brushing mechanism needs to be at an optimum level of tightly clustered bristle...

originally posted by: karl 12
Cointelpro Richard Doty recently mentioned to Jimmy Church that there were 'currently disinfo agents on the UFO lecture circuit' (although that itself could be disinfo).

link

If I had to hazard a guess then Linda would be right up there at the top of the list....

Definitely mate. She's passed off numerous hoaxes as real.

But actually Jimmy Church put that question about the disinfo agents to her in this show:

Link to the exact point Jimmy says there disinfo agents in ufology

Her answer is one of the most bizarre things I've ever heard. She sidesteps the question by saying she doesn't trust any counter intelligence people and then launches into the longest, irrelevant answer to a question I've ever heard. She basically retells the story of her career. Like that was important or even relevant to the question and it continues for over 10 minutes into a commercial break and continues afterwards. As if she's defending herself in some way for doing what she does.

Take a quick listen. It convinced me that she doesn't like awkward questions and is probably working for someone other than her own curiosity.
Unfortunately people are too polite and don't press for answers in this field amd Jimmy just let her ramble and never pursued the point.

a reply to: Arbitrageur

I'll be clear in saying I am not retracting and agreeing it is UFO debris. Far from it.
What I am commenting on has nothing to do with the scientific capabilities of this piece.

I am interested in motives of individuals and the defense force surrounding this piece and the rehashed UFO-distraction-in-a-can we have been seeing since the 40's.

Linda is a loon, I don't even listen to her trying to speak scienc-lish . For me I'm not interested in the story Linda is trying to tell, she and Tom are useful as tits on a bull...but the story about the powerful people in government, spies, the Defense forces who are also possibly part of this piece of materials 'story' I am very interested in.

Why is Melon involved?
Is Rockefella who Mellon worked with still involved? I think so.
I suspect TTSA and Bigelows funhouse are part of The Rockefella Initiative. Along with the Clintons, Reid and Podesta. They were all at Rockefellers Ranch back in the day.


This material went through the Carnegie Mellon institute in 2012 and then Mellon then a few years later, it goes back to the army.

Mellon then starts to join these public UFO Data associations after the piece went through his institute a few years back?
Linda described in detail in this video how that material went to the Carnegie Mellon institute in 2012 and then Mellon lands in with UFO Data/Leslie Keane and joins TTSA and the material goes from public domain back into the dark.
I was blinking at the screen, given a few weeks ago I was asking everyone here why didn't Mellon hand this over to his Mellon Research institute, but they already sent it seems in '12 and the PTB identified for whatever reason, it needed to go back to the army. And it did, all for the bargain basement price of 35K.

Why does the army want this piece?

Is this a piece of slag or material from an era when the gloves were off for ethical research on cloaking, anti gravity, rocketry etc ?
I think there is a possibility this material *may* be related to historically dirty experiments and remnants of a bygone era. Nazi tech IS a thing, there is no avoiding that reality every time we see the moon landing. Maybe the disinfo about 'it's UFO's, no it's a weather balloon, no it's the Russians' is out there rather than admit we were blowing # up around Whitesands with Nazi tech and scientists during the very dates the supposed crashed took place. Von Braun got a Nazi off the gallows and over to paperclip, such was the importance of their research.

I am thinking more and more this goes back to a remnant of a dark time in scientific research where you had local madmen opening portals with sex magic whilst simultaneously founding JPL and you had Nazis with the blood of 20,000 slaves in their arms factories that had a "nothing is over the line" attitude to scientific developments. Or if we want to say the Philly experiment took place, then you supposedly have bismuth melting the heck our of everything during a cloaking experiment and killing and dismembering a bunch of our own navy boys.

Anyway, the science of what this can or can't do I'll leave up to smarter people, but the history of this I think helps paint a picture of the motives for Spies, bankers and the military wanting being involved in the UFO-canned story.

Melon and Rockefellas go way back.....
Jekyll Island way back.....
Collapsing the banking system way back causing the Great Depression....
Creating a UFO initiative way back.......
The stuff I use to laugh at as OTT conspiracy, but more and more I see Melon and Rockefeller in the current fray makes me think old school conspiracy one world banking elite cray cray isn't so far fetched.
1921 caricature Rockefeller, Mellon and Rotschild below


Bloody hell I am rambling I need to get back to work.