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Beyond Bigelow & BAASS, After AATIP and on To the Stars...
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a reply to: coursecatalog
Ttsa don't worry me in the slightest apart from the BS that many pickup and believe. DARPA, now what those boys got cooking is the stuff of knightmares that no-one talks about!
Ttsa don't worry me in the slightest apart from the BS that many pickup and believe. DARPA, now what those boys got cooking is the stuff of knightmares that no-one talks about!
originally posted by: Baablacksheep
a reply to: celltypespecific
Please trust me on this.
I am going to assume your parents taught you not to trust a "stranger".
Of course you may know more than you let on Cellty.
Lets just say I am familiar with SBIR's and Cooperative agreements....trust me...these mechanisms will certainly not make an individual or company wealthy. People think a million dollars is alot of money...its nothing when you consider covering your salary...your employee's salary...Medical Insurance..purchasing specialized equipment...etc.
edit on 18-10-2019 by celltypespecific because: (no reason
given)
My mama always taught me to beware of spooks juicing the military industrial complex and selling it as a disclosure lemonade.
BREAKING NEWS From BLACKVAULT:
Blackvault
Internal Air Force/Navy E-Mails on Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Revealed
Blackvault
edit on 18-10-2019 by celltypespecific because: (no reason given)
a reply to: celltypespecific
"He was tasked to look into whether Air Force encounters with UAPs had occurred, along with being asked to provide evidence, if any, that the Air Force had a similar “UFO Guideline” similar to the Navy’s.
“Gut reaction is that we would not track these unless the pilot almost crashed into one or something like that,” Aycock responded almost immediately."
So something physical that travels through US airspace at incredible speeds the Air Force is not concerned about?
He basically admitted right there that they are alien.
"He was tasked to look into whether Air Force encounters with UAPs had occurred, along with being asked to provide evidence, if any, that the Air Force had a similar “UFO Guideline” similar to the Navy’s.
“Gut reaction is that we would not track these unless the pilot almost crashed into one or something like that,” Aycock responded almost immediately."
So something physical that travels through US airspace at incredible speeds the Air Force is not concerned about?
He basically admitted right there that they are alien.
originally posted by: zazzafrazz
My mama always taught me to beware of spooks juicing the military industrial complex and selling it as a disclosure lemonade.
My mamma always told me “The most fatal illusion is the settled point of view. Since life is growth and motion, a fixed point of view kills anybody who has one.”
Well she didn't but you get my point
BREAKING NEWS:
Below is the OFFICIAL Cooperative Agreement between TTSA and ARMY
CRADA Army and TTSA
Interesting highlights:
This is huge....TTSA is clearly stating that they have Meta Materials and their Meta-Materials have functional significances.
The point below is highly significant as it demonstrates that the Meta Materials are NOT Art's Parts..... The Meta Materials could be from AATIP....
Below is the OFFICIAL Cooperative Agreement between TTSA and ARMY
CRADA Army and TTSA
Interesting highlights:
This is huge....TTSA is clearly stating that they have Meta Materials and their Meta-Materials have functional significances.
The point below is highly significant as it demonstrates that the Meta Materials are NOT Art's Parts..... The Meta Materials could be from AATIP....
edit on 18-10-2019 by celltypespecific because: (no reason given)
In case anybody is wondering, "Materiel" is not "Material" - referring instead to "military materials and equipment".
Ergo, they are saying that TTSA has "access" to advanced military materials and equipment "solutions".
What does that even MEAN? Does it mean TTSA actually possesses such a "product" now? Or that they may do in future?
In other words, is all this merely pie in the sky?
Ergo, they are saying that TTSA has "access" to advanced military materials and equipment "solutions".
What does that even MEAN? Does it mean TTSA actually possesses such a "product" now? Or that they may do in future?
In other words, is all this merely pie in the sky?
edit on 18-10-2019 by ConfusedBrit because: (no reason given)
a reply to: celltypespecific
What is MORE interesting is the information that what we're being told are UAP's originally were all designated as UAS's internally with each Gov't entity involved.
Pretty hard to dispute that, but I'm watching it being glossed clean over and ignored.
SMH
What is MORE interesting is the information that what we're being told are UAP's originally were all designated as UAS's internally with each Gov't entity involved.
Pretty hard to dispute that, but I'm watching it being glossed clean over and ignored.
SMH
originally posted by: Caver78
a reply to: celltypespecific
What is MORE interesting is the information that what we're being told are UAP's originally were all designated as UAS's internally with each Gov't entity involved.
Pretty hard to dispute that, but I'm watching it being glossed clean over and ignored.
SMH
Its been glossed over because the NAVY officially came out and said the videos were NOT OF UAS's but were UAPs.
“Those three videos are just part of a larger effort by the U.S. Navy to try and investigate a series of incursions into our training ranges by phenomena that we’re calling unidentified aerial phenomena,” says Gradisher, who declined to say how many sightings there have been.
a reply to: Caver78
a reply to: spiritualarchitect
I noticed the same thing caver.
spiritualarchitect, you seem to have come to the opposite conclusion as the theme of the article.
I'm not sure why the original message didn't make it to Politico, but they refer to that as having nothing to do with aliens and UFOs but somehow it got distorted and people are saying it has something to do with that:
Internal Air Force/Navy E-Mails on Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Revealed
I'm not sure where you got the "at incredible speeds" from either, but I've seen plenty of misinterpretations of hard data like the FLIR video claiming impossible acceleration when the video doesn't even show ordinary acceleration...it doesn't show any significant acceleration at all yet we have pilots, and Lue Elizondo and others talking about the acceleration in that video, just demonstrating we can't trust what people say, we need hard data, like that video which can be studied to find out if there really is incredible acceleration. The video doesn't show it.
"something physical" is also a rather nebulous description in general, it could be many things, but the focus according to internal memos was clearly unmanned aerial systems. The internal memos reveal that's the case even according to Lue Elizondo who seems to have been telling us a different story in public.
So caver, thanks for talking about what the article actually says, unlike others who read into it what they want it to say but doesn't. No spiritualarchitect, he is not saying it's aliens.
a reply to: spiritualarchitect
I noticed the same thing caver.
spiritualarchitect, you seem to have come to the opposite conclusion as the theme of the article.
I'm not sure why the original message didn't make it to Politico, but they refer to that as having nothing to do with aliens and UFOs but somehow it got distorted and people are saying it has something to do with that:
Internal Air Force/Navy E-Mails on Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Revealed
“What the Navy was trying to talk about was unmanned aerial systems… that got turned into UFOs and aliens.”
The e-mail by Mcandrews reflects that of what appears to be the Navy’s original statement by Stratton, which got truncated and altered before submission to Politico. It appears that the Air Force focus on this threat surrounds unmanned aerial systems, and not “[unidentified flying objects]” as asserted by Politico.
I'm not sure where you got the "at incredible speeds" from either, but I've seen plenty of misinterpretations of hard data like the FLIR video claiming impossible acceleration when the video doesn't even show ordinary acceleration...it doesn't show any significant acceleration at all yet we have pilots, and Lue Elizondo and others talking about the acceleration in that video, just demonstrating we can't trust what people say, we need hard data, like that video which can be studied to find out if there really is incredible acceleration. The video doesn't show it.
"something physical" is also a rather nebulous description in general, it could be many things, but the focus according to internal memos was clearly unmanned aerial systems. The internal memos reveal that's the case even according to Lue Elizondo who seems to have been telling us a different story in public.
Not only does it show the three videos were not cleared for public release, it revealed that Elizondo referred to them also as UAS’, nearly identically worded to most other internal documents now revealed from the Navy and Air Force.
In Elizondo’s own words, the three videos that the Navy admits to designating as “UAPs,” were described as, “UAV, Balloons, and other UAS,” on the official paperwork and written in his e-mails. There is no mention of “phenomena” by Elizondo behind-the-scenes, contradicting his public statements on various media interviews and connected with press releases by TTSA. However, his wording confirms internal stances of the Air Force and some members of the Navy about what the threat actually is.
So caver, thanks for talking about what the article actually says, unlike others who read into it what they want it to say but doesn't. No spiritualarchitect, he is not saying it's aliens.
Some things change. "spooks juicing the military industrial complex" so far doesn't seem to be one of them, though it seems to come in spurts, each time they find a new "target".
originally posted by: theruthlessone
originally posted by: zazzafrazz
My mama always taught me to beware of spooks juicing the military industrial complex and selling it as a disclosure lemonade.
My mamma always told me “The most fatal illusion is the settled point of view. Since life is growth and motion, a fixed point of view kills anybody who has one.”
Well she didn't but you get my point
Physical objects that travel at incredible speeds through US airspace, nah, why would the Air Force want to track those.
The people in charge know damn well what they are. And the subject is taboo for the Air Force to talk about it.
The people in charge know damn well what they are. And the subject is taboo for the Air Force to talk about it.
originally posted by: ConfusedBrit
In case anybody is wondering, "Materiel" is not "Material" - referring instead to "military materials and equipment".
Ergo, they are saying that TTSA has "access" to advanced military materials and equipment "solutions".
What does that even MEAN? Does it mean TTSA actually possesses such a "product" now? Or that they may do in future?
In other words, is all this merely pie in the sky?
Hi confusedbrit.....
Please read below carefully:
This is immediately notable because it is not qualified in any way. The Army here is presenting as a simple statement that TTSA has "materiel and technology innovations," not that they might have them
thedrive
PLEASE READ CAREFULLY
This cannot be highlighted enough
thedrive[e ditby]edit on 18-10-2019 by celltypespecific because: (no reason given)
This cannot be highlighted enough
"The Collaborator has access to advanced materiel solutions," the agreement continues, again underscoring the Army's opinion that TTSA has some tangible to offer. "The Government would like to assess, test, and characterize the products from the Collaborator at Government facilities to compare the capabilities of these advancements to known commodities, understand what facilities would be required to reproduce the advancements, and determine their applications for ground vehicle platforms."
thedrive[e ditby]edit on 18-10-2019 by celltypespecific because: (no reason given)
All I can say is that that TTSA should be subject to the levels of transparency and scrutinization that their supporters expect of the US Government
when it comes to disclosing information they require.
The truth however seems to be that their supporters are happy for TTSA not be questioned in any degree of scrutiny and TTSA hide behind them on social media.
Which all suggests they are frauds because they are afraid to confront people who ask questions. TTSA tweet and never respond.
I say....Let's put them all on the stand in a global internet event where they aren't afraid to answer any questions asked without any prior knowledge. If they are sincere then they should fear no one. Even their most vociferious detractors.
If people support them and their cause then they should have no fear of their heroes being grilled because they have answers.....
Let's make it happen.....Let's put them to the test.
Let's make them all testify live on the internet to questions they fear and have avoided? What are they and their supporters afraid of? If they won't do it then they are surely a bunch of frauds?
How can you expect the US government to be honest when the TTSA organisation isn't open to scrutiny because they only speak to people who will portray them in favourable light?
The truth however seems to be that their supporters are happy for TTSA not be questioned in any degree of scrutiny and TTSA hide behind them on social media.
Which all suggests they are frauds because they are afraid to confront people who ask questions. TTSA tweet and never respond.
I say....Let's put them all on the stand in a global internet event where they aren't afraid to answer any questions asked without any prior knowledge. If they are sincere then they should fear no one. Even their most vociferious detractors.
If people support them and their cause then they should have no fear of their heroes being grilled because they have answers.....
Let's make it happen.....Let's put them to the test.
Let's make them all testify live on the internet to questions they fear and have avoided? What are they and their supporters afraid of? If they won't do it then they are surely a bunch of frauds?
How can you expect the US government to be honest when the TTSA organisation isn't open to scrutiny because they only speak to people who will portray them in favourable light?
edit on 19/10/2019 by mirageman because: ...
a reply to: Arbitrageur
I know, right?
The internal memo's BlackVault has between departments are how the subject was seen and treated BEFORE all the TTSA hoopla. Which is most likely why the original program funding was allowed to lapse.
The Gov't agency just didn't find what it'd expected either.
celltypespecific and spiritualarchitect;
This fact provided via FOIA's doesn't negate that something else unidentified isn't running amok thru our skies. Just that
what was found "to date" is something they assumed as "semi-known" the UAS's.
The entire topic isn't as yet an either-or situation.
Despite the wicked spin being brought to bare by the TTSA and "the usual perps" if we don't clearly keep our heads screwed on right all manner of Mythconceptions will be the outcome. Aided mainly by ourselves. Try to remember Putnoff, Elizondo et al are tainted sources. Spinmasters extraordinaire.
Their ties to both ufology AND the premise they are ex-industrial complex veterans SHOULD stop you cold in your tracks. We're posting on ATS mainly to combat disinformation since this obscures any hope of denying ignorance.
Right now they have us where they want us fighting with each other instead of looking at all the inconstancies and waiting to see the pattern of their end game.
I know, right?
The internal memo's BlackVault has between departments are how the subject was seen and treated BEFORE all the TTSA hoopla. Which is most likely why the original program funding was allowed to lapse.
The Gov't agency just didn't find what it'd expected either.
celltypespecific and spiritualarchitect;
This fact provided via FOIA's doesn't negate that something else unidentified isn't running amok thru our skies. Just that
what was found "to date" is something they assumed as "semi-known" the UAS's.
The entire topic isn't as yet an either-or situation.
Despite the wicked spin being brought to bare by the TTSA and "the usual perps" if we don't clearly keep our heads screwed on right all manner of Mythconceptions will be the outcome. Aided mainly by ourselves. Try to remember Putnoff, Elizondo et al are tainted sources. Spinmasters extraordinaire.
Their ties to both ufology AND the premise they are ex-industrial complex veterans SHOULD stop you cold in your tracks. We're posting on ATS mainly to combat disinformation since this obscures any hope of denying ignorance.
Right now they have us where they want us fighting with each other instead of looking at all the inconstancies and waiting to see the pattern of their end game.