Beyond Bigelow & BAASS, After AATIP and on To the Stars...

a reply to: The GUT

Exactly Gut... I am shocked that they are doing this out in the open...additionally Pias references Hal Putoff's work in the patents...This is my first exposure/observation of real GOV psy op disinfo campaign... its crazy...

a reply to: coursecatalog

Thanks for the link coursecatolog.

a reply to: The GUT

Smells enough like another "plant" in support of whatever operation we are currently witnessing. The timing seems suspicious. Whatever is going on the evidence continues to build that it's official and not some rogue group of guys forcing Uncle Sam to disclose.

I can't believe this is happening...there seems to be alot of smoke and mirrors currently at play.. a mix of disinfo and truth...but they are all connected...the timeline is too coincidental.

Someone needs to do a timeline...

Yeah know, I'm starting to kind of feel sorry for TTSA. They are crying out for help. Maybe we should offer our help to them.

a reply to: coursecatalog

Yes coursecatalog as I have said a million times the TECH DOES EXIST and I have stated several times its not of ET origin.

I will have to repeat for the millionth time that I support the CORE of TTSA's message and have stated that some of individuals in TTSA are suspect..

Believe it or not an individual can hold complex subtle positions...not everything is black and white.

originally posted by: celltypespecific

Someone needs to do a timeline...

That's actually a really good idea, cellty. Are you up for it? As it's coming together you can probably get some input and help from your twitter contacts as well as here.

a reply to: The GUT

I would rather leave it in the hand of experts like yourself or other veterans on this thread

But I really think it would help in organizing all these events...Please someone do this it will be well worth the effort!!

Objectively speaking. Let’s face it there’s just so much one can do with this UFO research. It’s an elusive phenomenon.


It was a good thing they got a little honest in tonight’s episode and talked about Zondo possibly being another Doty. (Something I’ve posted many 20 times, that very point.)

They talked about the disinformation of the past by the government

Whatever one thinks of them for that they should be given credit for being upfront!

And if they are honest and sincere despite the flaws in them then they might get some truth.

And then maybe we here can all help in finding some of the truth

I can't freaking believe this...

Pais has a science paper on the Tic-Tac in 2019..

Room Temperature Superconducting System for use on a Hybrid Aerospace-Undersea Craft

a reply to: celltypespecific


Is that a small "woot"?

originally posted by: celltypespecific
I can't freaking believe this...

Pais has a science paper on the Tic-Tac in 2019..

Room Temperature Superconducting System for use on a Hybrid Aerospace-Undersea Craft

Spy games. Claim some incredible technological breakthrough to make adversaries spend resources on it.

Just use your brain for a moment. If this stuff was real, it would be top secret, fall under such things as the Invention Secrecy Act.

a reply to: moebius

Exactly even the RAM coating mixture on stealth platforms is still officially secret...even at this point when it is actually largely and widely known..

a reply to: The GUT

There is already a Navigating the Twisted Maze of the AATIP Timeline on Blackvault.

a reply to: moebius

I wonder who the spy games are for, though. If we're not falling for it, I feel pretty confident Chinese Intelligence or Russian Intelligence won't swallow it whole either.

I would think they are sitting on far more info than we are.

So is it the public? Scare them enough that they won't question the obsessive secrecy and the rampant spending?

Or the Iranians? I doubt they are this gullible, fanatics or not.

Might be off topic or a bullseye, but I found the following excerpts interesting in relation to the current conversations;

"...the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology. ... The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated. ... As yet there is only one country which has succeeded in creating this politician’s paradise.”

Bertrand Russell, The Impact of Science on Society, 1960

Seemed quite fitting, also in terms of conspiracy;

Sunstein's article, published in the Journal of Political Philosphy in 2008 and recently uncovered by blogger Marc Estrin, states that "our primary claim is that conspiracy theories typically stem not from irrationality or mental illness of any kind but from a 'crippled epistemology,' in the form of a sharply limited number of (relevant) informational sources."

By "crippled epistemology" Sunstein means that people who believe in conspiracy theories have a limited number of sources of information that they trust. [?]Therefore, Sunstein argued in the article, it would not work to simply refute the conspiracy theories in public -- the very sources that conspiracy theorists believe would have to be infiltrated.

Just musing again..

a reply to: beetee



I think it more likely we are finding random parts of the trail of cheese but are not able to see the traps that are all around.

I can't offer a definitive proof here but there are parts of the jigsaw puzzle that can be put together.

Think about the whole 1980s to now - ATP>NIDS>AAWSAP>AATIP>TTSA.

These boys are all linked to intelligence agencies and still have connections back to the Aviary even today. So Bigelow, with his connections to at least some of those projects, is by default a player in their games too. He get's a lucky break in 1970s in Mob ruled Vegas and the next thing you know he's a millionaire building hotel chains.

As our friend Zazz pointed out - a decade later he's now billionaire with some very nice government contracts and a space business. Despite not even being on the list of NASA's NASA's top 100 contractors.

What have we learned that the likes of these people do?

They appear to spread disinformation about UFO crashes and aliens. Often giving contradicting views. They also conjured up the impression they were studying paranormal events at Skinwalker Ranch (even though there is no history of anything happening there before 1993). They throw money at people but also tie them down with non-disclosure agreements (NDAs). They complete their operation, collect their information and then give nothing back.

Look at how Bigelow destabilized MUFON a decade ago with the ill fated Star Team Project. He hands over taxpayers money in exchange for real time access to their databases (including personal details). Then even before the contract had expired tried to change the terms and pay far less money. However what did he give MUFON in return? They were left destabilized and are nothing really more than an entertainment organisation now.

These 'operations' are all about finding out whether government secrets (particularly from private sector contractors) are being leaked. Bigelow may have a genuine interest in these leftfield topics. But he's also showed MUFON that he doesn't like wasting government money, never mind his own. Perhaps not quite the man he's been painted to be by some of his best buddies?

a reply to: mirageman

Well, they sure know what they are doing, the Unidentified team.

It is pretty seductive. Even adressing Elizondos background and featuring Doty. An attempt to grasp the bull at the horns, so to speak.

Will they manage to put pressure on the government to release information? To open up the floodgates, where so much dirt has been pent up for decades now?

The Pentagon is not very responsive, so far. And why is nobody going after them and asking them point blank why they are hiding all this data? Put them on the spot. Let them deny it in public.

If something comes forward, well we would have to scrutinize that very carefully. But, at least, we'd have something new to look at.

I'm tired of these endless games.

a reply to: pigsy2400

The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated. ...

Nice to see a BR hat tip...reading that, Vonnegut was most likely on-point, “...we’re here on earth to fart around, and don’t let anyone tell you different”.

My contributions are sparse, but I got a Russell and Vonnegut quote in a single reply — my mission is done.

Enjoy the sideshow, ATS peeps. I’m OUt.

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: beetee

I think it more likely we are finding random parts of the trail of cheese but are not able to see the traps that are all around.

I agree with this completely. I feel like there is something just outside our grasp.

Like the actions on the stage make no sense without that last piece of information we don't yet have.

These patents are related to the so-called ‘EM-drive’ a.k.a. ‘RF resonant cavity thruster’.

No plausible theory of operation for such drives has been proposed.
[…]
In 2014, White's conference paper suggested that resonant cavity thrusters could work by transferring momentum to the "quantum vacuum virtual plasma."

On the NASA site, a piece on the EM drive can be found:

This lack of expulsion of propellant from the drive was met with initial skepticism within the scientific community because this lack of propellant expulsion would leave nothing to balance the change in the spacecraft’s momentum if it were able to accelerate.

However, in 2010, Prof. Juan Yang in China began publishing about her research into EM Drive technology, culminating in her 2012 paper reporting higher input power (2.5kW) and tested thrust (720mN) levels of an EM Drive.

In 2014, Prof. Yang’s papers reported extensive tests involving internal temperature measurements with embedded thermocouples.

A Chinese video with YouTube subtitles on the EM Drive:

It is a bit strange to submit public US patents to compete with China in this field. Maybe the US is trying to lay false trails, but the Chinese are not stupid (and may even be doing the same).

Speculation: What if the Navy is trying to prevent TTSA from submitting a patent and collecting a large part of the American DoD Money Pie in the future? After all, the person who submitted the patent did know Puthoff’s work, so he would also know what knowledge may be available to TTSA.